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On August 19 2023 05:32 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 03:26 KwarK wrote:On August 19 2023 03:01 cLutZ wrote:On August 19 2023 00:45 Djabanete wrote:On August 18 2023 22:59 cLutZ wrote:On August 18 2023 15:13 RvB wrote:On August 18 2023 11:32 cLutZ wrote:On August 18 2023 06:16 Sermokala wrote:
I love how after all the anti reform reforms gh has been chirping for the moment he sees it in public he validated everything people said to him about them. Dude looks at a radical anti corruption initiative and thinks its proof that the country is iredemably corrupt.
It's something to celebrate and something gh should logically support but the moment it benifits imperialism gh just throws all that out the window. I think the Ukraine needs to remain a bit corrupt for the west to continue to support it. The support isn't really organic, its top-down western politicians worrying about having their side gigs being cut off. In the early 2000s the same politicians were all gung ho about Russia, also because of the opportunities for "business." What side gigs? Hunter on Burisma's board is the tip of the iceberg. Paul Manafort's indictment implicates basically all of parliament in several countries. Can’t the child of a VIP be offered nepotistic sinecures in any country? Is there really any lack of equivalent “business” opportunities for politicians in the United States? I have the impression that money pretty much grows on trees for US politicians, Ukraine or no Ukraine. US companies have real shareholders who pay attention to things like Ludacris board appointments. Political graft is limited to campaigns, charities, and insider trading. The first is limited by your need to win, the second by enterprising attorney generals, and the third by still needing some baseline competency. Hunter is the model, we see his deals are all with foreigners in shady countries like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, China, etc. I think you’d be surprised how many unqualified board members and consultants there are for companies that do government business. No, but they are generally unqualified in a particular way which lets their credentials offer a veneer of legitimacy when someone comes poking around. Ratheon has a lot of "unqualified" (in that they know nothing about the operation of a business) retired generals. But the rest of their board is mostly representatives picked by Vanguard, State St., and Blackrock.
Ex-politicians are almost always brought in because of their "insight" in politics in almost any country. And/or do massively overpaid speeches of course.
The kids of VIPs can just be put on the board of smaller companies at first and then progress upward because of their "experience". Or get hired at various places to get experience etc etc.
It's laughable to think Ukraine is the only place for politicians to make money if they want too.
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On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:On August 18 2023 17:36 Gorsameth wrote:On August 18 2023 11:32 cLutZ wrote:On August 18 2023 06:16 Sermokala wrote:
I love how after all the anti reform reforms gh has been chirping for the moment he sees it in public he validated everything people said to him about them. Dude looks at a radical anti corruption initiative and thinks its proof that the country is iredemably corrupt.
It's something to celebrate and something gh should logically support but the moment it benifits imperialism gh just throws all that out the window. I think the Ukraine needs to remain a bit corrupt for the west to continue to support it. The support isn't really organic, its top-down western politicians worrying about having their side gigs being cut off. In the early 2000s the same politicians were all gung ho about Russia, also because of the opportunities for "business." Europe spend centuries at war, the era of peace we have been enjoying since WW2 has in part been attributed to increasing economic integration, you don't want to go to war with your trading partner who's goods and markets keep your own economy running and population happy. The idea was to do the same to Russia, 'pacify' them through increased economic integration. That plan has obviously failed rather spectacularly but the reasoning behind it wasn't necessarily wrong. Dependency on Russia wasn't a flaw, the whole point was to make both the EU and Russia more dependant on each other to prevent future conflicts. Aka "Change through trade". The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy.
There are so many other posts that could be laughed at.
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On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:On August 18 2023 17:36 Gorsameth wrote:On August 18 2023 11:32 cLutZ wrote:
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I think the Ukraine needs to remain a bit corrupt for the west to continue to support it. The support isn't really organic, its top-down western politicians worrying about having their side gigs being cut off. In the early 2000s the same politicians were all gung ho about Russia, also because of the opportunities for "business." Europe spend centuries at war, the era of peace we have been enjoying since WW2 has in part been attributed to increasing economic integration, you don't want to go to war with your trading partner who's goods and markets keep your own economy running and population happy. The idea was to do the same to Russia, 'pacify' them through increased economic integration. That plan has obviously failed rather spectacularly but the reasoning behind it wasn't necessarily wrong. Dependency on Russia wasn't a flaw, the whole point was to make both the EU and Russia more dependant on each other to prevent future conflicts. Aka "Change through trade". The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at.
Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-)
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On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:On August 18 2023 17:36 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]Europe spend centuries at war, the era of peace we have been enjoying since WW2 has in part been attributed to increasing economic integration, you don't want to go to war with your trading partner who's goods and markets keep your own economy running and population happy.
The idea was to do the same to Russia, 'pacify' them through increased economic integration. That plan has obviously failed rather spectacularly but the reasoning behind it wasn't necessarily wrong.
Dependency on Russia wasn't a flaw, the whole point was to make both the EU and Russia more dependant on each other to prevent future conflicts. Aka "Change through trade". The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-)
No, however you're definitely #1 
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On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:
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Aka "Change through trade".
The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1
You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol.
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On August 19 2023 06:23 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:
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I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP.
One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1 You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol.
Ofc, the only conspiracies are Russian conspiracies.
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On August 19 2023 05:19 maybenexttime wrote:
@zeo Are you bi-polar or something? You keep switching between "poor Ukrainians" and gloating over any minor Russian success.
At the risk of getting warned or banned, I think in this conflict zeo is essentially playing the role of a rape apologist. Ukraine dressed too provocatively so she deserved it. Ukraine keeps getting severe beatings for ratting Russia out to NATO. Thus the conclusion must be that NATO is causing Ukraine's suffering by angering Russia. If NATO stayed out of it, Russia could rape Ukraine in peace, and Ukraine wouldn't have to suffer so much. Ideally, Ukraine would just willfully s*** Russia off, bend over, and stop playing hard to get. That way Russia and Ukraine could both have a fun time together, and peace could return to the land. A very happy ending.
Something along those lines. And no, I'm not being particularly sarcastic. This is how I interpret zeo's views.
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On August 19 2023 06:25 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:23 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:
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What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details?
I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1 You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol. Ofc, the only conspiracies are Russian conspiracies.
Do you even know what I'm talking about?
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On August 19 2023 06:29 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:25 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:23 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:
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I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now.
A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1 You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol. Ofc, the only conspiracies are Russian conspiracies. Do you even know what I'm talking about?
Yeah.
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On August 19 2023 06:30 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:29 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:25 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:23 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:
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A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1 You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol. Ofc, the only conspiracies are Russian conspiracies. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Yeah.
Okay, so which post am I referring to?
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On August 19 2023 06:39 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:30 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:29 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:25 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:23 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:[quote] And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1 You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol. Ofc, the only conspiracies are Russian conspiracies. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Okay, so which post am I referring to?
Oh go ahead and clarify that. Qanon I am not following at the moment but feel free to quote it.
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On August 19 2023 06:48 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:39 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:30 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:29 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:25 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:23 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:
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Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy.
There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1 You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol. Ofc, the only conspiracies are Russian conspiracies. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Okay, so which post am I referring to? Oh go ahead and clarify that. Qanon I am not following at the moment but feel free to quote it.
You said you know what I was talking about. lol
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 19 2023 06:53 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 06:48 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:39 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:30 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:29 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:25 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:23 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 06:22 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 06:05 maybenexttime wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
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There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. Yes, you've been quite prolific yourself. ;-) No, however you're definitely #1 You're the one posting Q-Anon blood libel conspiracy theories, lol. Ofc, the only conspiracies are Russian conspiracies. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Okay, so which post am I referring to? Oh go ahead and clarify that. Qanon I am not following at the moment but feel free to quote it. You said you know what I was talking about. lol
Yeah I know Qanon.
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On August 18 2023 22:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2023 15:13 RvB wrote:On August 18 2023 11:32 cLutZ wrote:On August 18 2023 06:16 Sermokala wrote:
I love how after all the anti reform reforms gh has been chirping for the moment he sees it in public he validated everything people said to him about them. Dude looks at a radical anti corruption initiative and thinks its proof that the country is iredemably corrupt.
It's something to celebrate and something gh should logically support but the moment it benifits imperialism gh just throws all that out the window. I think the Ukraine needs to remain a bit corrupt for the west to continue to support it. The support isn't really organic, its top-down western politicians worrying about having their side gigs being cut off. In the early 2000s the same politicians were all gung ho about Russia, also because of the opportunities for "business." What side gigs? Hunter on Burisma's board is the tip of the iceberg. Paul Manafort's indictment implicates basically all of parliament in several countries.
The body of the iceberg had Schroder on Rosneft's board and being offered a position by Gazprom afterwards. The idea that Ukraine being taken over by Russia would have cut off access to 'side gigs' is beyond naive.
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On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:On August 18 2023 17:36 Gorsameth wrote:On August 18 2023 11:32 cLutZ wrote:
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I think the Ukraine needs to remain a bit corrupt for the west to continue to support it. The support isn't really organic, its top-down western politicians worrying about having their side gigs being cut off. In the early 2000s the same politicians were all gung ho about Russia, also because of the opportunities for "business." Europe spend centuries at war, the era of peace we have been enjoying since WW2 has in part been attributed to increasing economic integration, you don't want to go to war with your trading partner who's goods and markets keep your own economy running and population happy. The idea was to do the same to Russia, 'pacify' them through increased economic integration. That plan has obviously failed rather spectacularly but the reasoning behind it wasn't necessarily wrong. Dependency on Russia wasn't a flaw, the whole point was to make both the EU and Russia more dependant on each other to prevent future conflicts. Aka "Change through trade". The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at.
I love how you prove this point by making half a dozen more posts that rival Zeo's in stupidity right after this one.
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On August 19 2023 07:00 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:On August 18 2023 17:36 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]Europe spend centuries at war, the era of peace we have been enjoying since WW2 has in part been attributed to increasing economic integration, you don't want to go to war with your trading partner who's goods and markets keep your own economy running and population happy.
The idea was to do the same to Russia, 'pacify' them through increased economic integration. That plan has obviously failed rather spectacularly but the reasoning behind it wasn't necessarily wrong.
Dependency on Russia wasn't a flaw, the whole point was to make both the EU and Russia more dependant on each other to prevent future conflicts. Aka "Change through trade". The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. I love how you prove this point by making half a dozen more posts that rival Zeo's in stupidity.
That is quite the rivaling post of stupidity you just made.
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On August 19 2023 07:00 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:On August 18 2023 17:36 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]Europe spend centuries at war, the era of peace we have been enjoying since WW2 has in part been attributed to increasing economic integration, you don't want to go to war with your trading partner who's goods and markets keep your own economy running and population happy.
The idea was to do the same to Russia, 'pacify' them through increased economic integration. That plan has obviously failed rather spectacularly but the reasoning behind it wasn't necessarily wrong.
Dependency on Russia wasn't a flaw, the whole point was to make both the EU and Russia more dependant on each other to prevent future conflicts. Aka "Change through trade". The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. I love how you prove this point by making half a dozen more posts that rival Zeo's in stupidity right after this one.
Again, nothing of substance or beyond juvinile 'lol no ur rong lol'. I'm not surprised personally because its the normal cycle that follow Ukrainian/NATO faliures on the battlefield. The battle for Robotnye started on the 4th of June yet here we are months later watching wave after wave of infantry and vehicles being blown up and destroyed but Robotnye, a screening area of a screening area before three lines of defence now has the nickname 'land-lease graveyard'.
The cope narrative being that its only 60 guys being human waved every 6 hours, its not 240 men at once a day. This being somehow better. If we go by the 5 stages of grief, we've passed denial, obviously you cant ignore it anymore and we are onto anger and lashing out at the failiure of the offensive.
The guy obbsesed with me posting his rape fantasies is a bit weird but hes always like that. As for the more stable posters thats the ouroboros cycle we are in; I post something, you say its stupid. After a while your own sorces and media start using my words and reasoning and basically say/post the same thing I told you. The coping mechanism is to find something else quick, I answer that too, you say its stupid again and the whole cycle repeats itself and the years go by.
Theres a thing in Ukrainian culture called the Peremonga-Zrada cycle and its fascinating really ever since I was exposed to the concept of their society. This hope/victory and betrayal can be seen in the flavor of the day 'Russia has lost' throwaways; short dispair when these things are shown to not be real or in any way connected with reality... then promptly forgotten and we move onto the next cope, and this is on an industrial scale.
'The ruble is collapsing! Oh its back down again? Well it will collapse like China in a week or so I saw it on a Youtube Short' is a memorable one from a few pages ago. Obviously Im writting the first one that come to mind, but click on any random page in this thread and you will find a random narrative that fizzled into nothing and was promptly forgotten.
@ProMeTheus112 - dont let the trolls bait you mate, or let them drag you down to their level. What they hate most is seeing people having nice and reasonable conversations on topics they dont like. So lets have those
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On August 19 2023 14:13 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 07:00 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:On August 18 2023 18:11 r00ty wrote:
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Aka "Change through trade".
The WW2 comparisons that were talked about don't stick for this conflict. Russia can destroy the world by nuclear means but had a GDP somewhere between Spain and Texas before the war. I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP. One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. I love how you prove this point by making half a dozen more posts that rival Zeo's in stupidity right after this one. Again, nothing of substance or beyond juvinile 'lol no ur rong lol'.
Because we've all been through this song and dance with you. You post a bunch of lies and propaganda, and whenever somebody proves you wrong you ignore it and move on to the next lie or bit of Kremlin propaganda.
You don't post anything of substance so most people no longer engage with you with any kind of substance. You are Brandolini's law personified.
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On August 19 2023 15:38 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2023 14:13 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 07:00 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:58 ProMeTheus112 wrote:On August 19 2023 05:46 Mikau wrote:On August 19 2023 05:08 zeo wrote:On August 19 2023 04:32 hexhaven wrote:On August 18 2023 19:52 Simberto wrote:On August 18 2023 19:33 WombaT wrote:On August 18 2023 19:05 zeo wrote:
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I think this just highlights how useless GDP is to show how stable a countrys economy is. Spain would not be looking so good with half the planet sancioning them while arming Portugal or something. Making real money and real things is worth more than imaginary money being moved around in bank accounts and pumping up a GDP.
One of the reasons why Russia is so sanction proof and Europe got the short end of the stick was because Europe was more depentant on Russia than Russia on Europe. Partly because Europe never wanted to integrate Russia into their system out of fears that Russia would eclypse them economically, and partly because the NATO members of the EU dont get to decide for themselves, i.e. they dont value the wellbeing of their people and economies more than what the US tells them to do. What on Earth have you been smoking today? Can you give me your dealer’s contact details? I always love zeos posts. Alt-history fiction is one of my favorites. And alt-present is basically the same as alt-history, just now. A zeo post is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. And not one single reply that wasn't a logical fallacy. Crazy videos coming in today, FPV drones being used more and more against accumulations of infantry and a T90 tank taking out 2 IFVs (and 1 tank) at the Zaporozhia front. Not going to post the groups of people in trenches and fields being blown up obviously but here is the tank battle https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1692241880199667957 Laughing at the absurdity that is your posts isn't a logical fallacy. There are so many other posts that could be laughed at. I love how you prove this point by making half a dozen more posts that rival Zeo's in stupidity right after this one. Again, nothing of substance or beyond juvinile 'lol no ur rong lol'. Because we've all been through this song and dance with you. You post a bunch of lies and propaganda, and whenever somebody proves you wrong you ignore it and move on to the next lie or bit of Kremlin propaganda. You don't post anything of substance so most people no longer engage with you with any kind of substance. You are Brandolini's law personified.
If you think saying Rabotyne is still there after more than two months of offensives is lies and propaganda you are in for a very rude awakening. How many months of assaults on Bahmut/Artemovsk and still nothing.
Putting your fingers in your ears and denying reality doesnt help you. Look at any map even from the most pro-Kiev source. Rabotyne is still there, do you believe the Ukrainian army is at the Azov sea? Whats going on? Throw around buzz words all you want
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I still remember when zeo was throwing truth bombs about the casualties of the Russian army when Bakhmut was under siege for six months. Oh indeed I remember how we all had to read countless comments from him about Russian lies and deceit. It was truly a time.
Oh wait, that never happened? Well color me surprised that the Last Man defending the Bastion of Impartiality and Nuance is dragging only one side of the conflict. Why would that be?
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