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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

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Poegim
Profile Joined February 2017
Poland298 Posts
May 29 2022 17:39 GMT
#2621
Polish radio informed that Poland provided 18 polish newest AHS Krab (crab) self-propelled tracked gun-howitzer 155mm for Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHS_Krab
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17851 Posts
May 29 2022 17:49 GMT
#2622
Good summary on the corruption in Russian army:
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 29 2022 19:58 GMT
#2623
On May 29 2022 06:21 JimmiC wrote:
The Harpoons from Denmark and self propelled howitzers from the Us have arrived. Hopefully they can open up their ports.

Probably an overly optimistic quote but we shall see.

Show nested quote +
He said Harpoon shore-to-ship missiles would be operated alongside Ukrainian Neptune missiles in the defence of the country's coast including the southern port of Odesa.

Serhiy Bratchuk, a spokesman for the Odesa regional military administration in southern Ukraine, said in an online post that "so many Harpoons have been handed over to us that we can sink the entire Russian Black Sea Fleet. Why not?


https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/rpt-1-ukraine-receives-missiles-202453468.html

Realistically there is no way the port of Odessa can be opened up. Both sides have mined the port and Russia has submarines operating in the Black Sea.

On May 30 2022 02:49 Manit0u wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Good summary on the corruption in Russian army: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9i47sgi-V4
Reminds me about a post from a random guy on TL about his seemingly pointless and wasteful job of being an external contractor signing off every little transfer of equipment in the German military, without an inkling that this is exactly what his seemingly pointless job is designed to prevent.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
May 29 2022 20:37 GMT
#2624
On May 29 2022 22:34 Manit0u wrote:
I think the closed ports in UA are a big issue but it's not insurmountable. They can still export wheat and other products via longer routes (like moving it through Poland for example). Sure, this would of course affect the prices as you have more ground to cover and delivery times might be longer but it's not like the exports would be cut off completely.

Ports have much higher capacity than trains and trucks. You can't just switch that easily even if there were enough transport options available. It's a huge problem and I don't see how it'll be fixed soon.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
May 29 2022 23:30 GMT
#2625
The rail gage between Ukraine and the eu is also different as a holdover from the soviet union. Food would need to be unloaded from one car and reloaded to another.

Not to mention that Russia has been damaging this rail service the whole time.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
May 30 2022 00:47 GMT
#2626
Some noteworthy reporting on the diplomatic and intelligence legwork the Biden administration took behind the scenes to rally European allies on a response to a Russian invasion that seemed increasingly imminent at the time.


...

The Biden administration’s secret planning began in April 2021 when Russia massed about 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian border. The buildup turned out to be a feint, but Blinken and other officials discussed U.S. intelligence about Russia’s actions with leaders of Britain, France and Germany at a NATO meeting in Brussels that month. Their message was, “We need to get ourselves prepared,” a senior State Department official said.

Germany was a reluctant but essential ally, and the Biden administration made a controversial decision last summer that was probably crucial in gaining German support against Russia. Biden gave Germany a pass on an initial round of sanctions against a company building the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in exchange for a pledge from Chancellor Angela Merkel that if Russia invaded, Nord Stream 2 would be scrapped. When the invasion came, Merkel was gone but her successor, Olaf Scholz, kept the promise.

...

The Ukraine threat got red-hot in October, when the United States gathered intelligence about a renewed Russian buildup on the border, along with “some detail about what Russian plans for those forces actually were,” Blinken said. This operational detail “was really the eye opener.” The Group of 20 nations were meeting at the end of October in Rome, and Biden pulled aside the leaders of Britain, France and Germany and gave them a detailed readout on the top-secret evidence.

...

CIA Director William J. Burns traveled to Moscow on Nov. 1 to warn President Vladimir Putin that the United States and its allies were prepared to arm Ukraine and impose crippling sanctions on Russia if he invaded. Putin apparently thought Biden wouldn’t be able to deliver.

Persuading Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to take the invasion danger seriously wasn’t easy, initially. Blinken spoke to him at the COP 21 climate summit in Glasgow in early November and provided a summary of intelligence about Russia’s plans. “I basically had the task of telling him that we thought it was likely that his country was going to be invaded,” Blinken recalled. Zelensky was skeptical, according to a State Department official.

Threatening sanctions can be an empty diplomatic ritual. But in December, Blinken and his colleagues began seriously discussing with allies what steps they would take. The initial venue was a Group of Seven foreign ministers meeting in Liverpool, England, on Dec. 11. The attendees publicly committed that there would be “massive consequences and severe costs,” Blinken remembered. As a result, he said, “when the aggression actually happened, we were able to move immediately.”

NATO military planning accelerated along with the diplomacy. Air Force Gen. Tod Wolters, the NATO commander, told me that his colleagues began preparing in December and January the “ground lines of communication” that would allow rapid shipment of arms into Ukraine. They studied entry points for supplies and other practical details. This weapons pipeline delivered Stinger and Javelin missiles before the invasion began Feb. 24 and has transferred huge numbers of heavier weapons since then.

U.S. intelligence provided Ukraine with a preview of Putin’s battle plan. Though Russia had surrounded Ukraine with 150,000 troops, Putin’s real strategy was a lightning, decapitating strike on Kyiv by a relatively small group of elite special forces. The Russians planned to seize Antonov Airport in Hostomel, west of the capital, and then use it to quickly pump troops into Kyiv.

The Ukrainians knew the Russians were coming. Burns had secretly traveled to Kyiv in January to brief Zelensky on the Russian plan, according to two knowledgeable officials. The Ukrainians used the U.S. intelligence to devastate the attacking force at Hostomel, in what may turn out to be the decisive battle of the war. “The Russians had no Plan B,” explained Marek Menkiszak, a Polish intelligence analyst with the Centre for Eastern Studies in Warsaw.

Menkiszak explained the significance of the intelligence coup that revealed the decapitation plan: “The Russians trapped themselves. … It was not meant to be a full-scale war but a special operation” that would topple Zelensky’s government and install a pliant, pro-Moscow regime.

Through the buildup to war, Biden sometimes seemed to misspeak. But he had a clear-eyed view of the evolving strategic terrain. Early on, for example, Biden concluded that the best way to derail Putin’s hope for dividing NATO would be the accession of two strong new members, Finland and Sweden.

Biden wooed Finnish President Sauli Niinisto. He called him in December and then in January to talk about the Russian threat, Blinken said. Biden then invited Niinisto to visit the White House in March, and while they were sitting in the Oval Office, Biden suggested they call Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson, reaching her late at night. By May, the two were visiting the White House together, celebrating their countries’ plans to join NATO.

...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/26/biden-white-house-secret-planning-helped-ukraine-counter-russia/
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17851 Posts
May 30 2022 03:05 GMT
#2627
Some big updates as more movement happens for both sides and heavy fighting is taking place on a wide front:

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-30 09:24:14
May 30 2022 08:42 GMT
#2628
That guy, despite what he claims, presents very narrow and one sided perspective. I watched some of his videos and if half of what he says was true Ukrainains should be taking Moscow by now. Recently half of his videos are dedicted to commenting what Russian TV hosts are saying...
While he sometimes has valuable informations he mixes it with his opinions, which are basically 'Murica, Fuck Yeah!
Pathetic Greta hater.
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany628 Posts
May 30 2022 09:40 GMT
#2629
On May 30 2022 17:42 Silvanel wrote:
That guy, despite what he claims, presents very narrow and one sided perspective. I watched some of his videos and if half of what he says was true Ukrainains should be taking Moscow by now. Recently half of his videos are dedicted to commenting what Russian TV hosts are saying...
While he sometimes has valuable informations he mixes it with his opinions, which are basically 'Murica, Fuck Yeah!


In the linked video he also takes what those TV hosts are saying as state strategy... I stopped watching shortly after that, but refrained from trashing it since I did not watch the whole video. Thank you for sifting through his stuff, sounds like my impression was about right.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
May 30 2022 10:02 GMT
#2630
Man it must be fun to see people actually read your post. I wish I could feel seen like that by putting in the effort of copy pasting a youtube link and a single line of generic text.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17851 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-30 10:03:50
May 30 2022 10:02 GMT
#2631
This guy does spew a lot of unnecessary garbage in the first half of his video usually but he has good maps. As ex-military he obviously has access to more info than many other commentators and the other guy that appears on his channel even went to Ukraine to check stuff on the ground there. Besides his bias so far most of the info he's shown in regards to troop movements on the map has been fairly accurate.

With his videos I tend to just skip to the map portion of it.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-30 11:01:44
May 30 2022 10:56 GMT
#2632
Yeah, You are right. I think the problem here boils down to nature of Youtube/entertainment industry. He used to make a video every day. During first stage of the war situation changed rapidly and there was a lot to talk about. Now with slow moving front and more "radio silence" on Ukr side there is a lot less to talk about. So he fils videos with that Russian news segment which I find useless. The maps are more interesting, especially the topographic one.
Also the titles of the videos are usually a clickbait.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17851 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-30 11:58:56
May 30 2022 11:56 GMT
#2633
On May 30 2022 19:56 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah, You are right. I think the problem here boils down to nature of Youtube/entertainment industry. He used to make a video every day. During first stage of the war situation changed rapidly and there was a lot to talk about. Now with slow moving front and more "radio silence" on Ukr side there is a lot less to talk about. So he fils videos with that Russian news segment which I find useless. The maps are more interesting, especially the topographic one.
Also the titles of the videos are usually a clickbait.


True, with the popularity of social media today and the trends within it's getting harder and harder to filter out the noise and get to the content. Most creators need to do these clickbait thumbnails and titles, but this only makes for more noise...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
May 30 2022 15:52 GMT
#2634
Biden says he won't send long-range MLRS (max range of 300km) to Ukraine out of fear they could strike Russia and escalate NATO's role, but the admin appear to be leaning towards short-range rockets (max range around 70km) instead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61627316
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44382 Posts
May 30 2022 16:33 GMT
#2635
Once they give Ukraine a weapon they bear a degree of responsibility for what Ukraine does with that. If some embittered soldiers get the bright idea that the Russian Duma would be a fun target the US would be partially responsible, at least in Russian eyes. The caution makes sense.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Artesimo
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany628 Posts
May 30 2022 17:15 GMT
#2636
On May 31 2022 01:33 KwarK wrote:
Once they give Ukraine a weapon they bear a degree of responsibility for what Ukraine does with that. If some embittered soldiers get the bright idea that the Russian Duma would be a fun target the US would be partially responsible, at least in Russian eyes. The caution makes sense.


It also weakens any claims that ukraine wants to attack russia outside of the completely defensive war they are fighting at the moment, and strengthens the case for this being a purely defensive war.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
May 30 2022 17:36 GMT
#2637
All attacks on Russian infrastructure are legitimate. They fly sorties out of airports in Russia, lunch cruise missiles out of Russia, ship tanks and other equipments via rails or roads to attack Ukraine. Build ammunition in factories, train soldiers in bases and so on... Ukrainians have every right to strike targets in Russia.
Pathetic Greta hater.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44382 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-30 17:57:49
May 30 2022 17:56 GMT
#2638
On May 31 2022 02:36 Silvanel wrote:
All attacks on Russian infrastructure are legitimate. They fly sorties out of airports in Russia, lunch cruise missiles out of Russia, ship tanks and other equipments via rails or roads to attack Ukraine. Build ammunition in factories, train soldiers in bases and so on... Ukrainians have every right to strike targets in Russia.

I don’t disagree. But does Russia have the right to retaliate against the ships bringing launchers to Ukraine? Does the US have the right to sink Russian subs attacking US cargo ships moving military hardware to Ukraine. Keeping the US involvement in the war in Ukraine is the smart play for the US. If Ukraine attacks Russia with their own hardware that’s fine but US hardware hitting Russian territory is risky.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 30 2022 18:10 GMT
#2639
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22662 Posts
May 30 2022 18:39 GMT
#2640
On May 31 2022 03:10 JimmiC wrote:
I think if the food crisis starts hitting quite of few countries these somewhat arbitrary lines in the sand that have been drawn will move and even before that they will likely continue to move the longer this goes on.
No. Because the food crisis is not going to hit the countries that draw the lines.

The US isn't going to change its stance on MLRS sales because some country in Africa can't buy grain.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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