Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 131

On May 26 2022 15:37 Ghanburighan wrote:


That's not quite how this works. They have vague promises from some NATO members. UA had the whole Budapest Memorandum and nobody lifted a finger to help it.

On May 26 2022 16:09 Silvanel wrote:


I would like to, again, point out, that there is no mention in the Budapest Memorandum of coming to Ukraine's Aid in case of it being attacked. There is only mention that signatories itself refrain from threatening or attacking Ukraine. Only Russia broke that promise.
Guarantees and assurances are something different. They of course also can be void. Like the one Soviet Union gave to Vietnam.

Moscow is ready to make a "significant contribution" to averting a looming food crisis if the West lifts sanctions imposed on Russia over Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin said in a telephone call with Italy's Prime Minister Mario Draghi.

"Vladimir Putin emphasizes that the Russian Federation is ready to make a significant contribution to overcoming the food crisis through the export of grain and fertilizer, subject to the lifting of politically motivated restrictions by the West," the Kremlin said in a statement following the call.

Russia was slapped with unprecedented sanctions after Putin ordered troops into neighboring Ukraine on February 24.

The sanctions and military action have disrupted supplies of fertilizer, wheat, and other commodities from both Russia and Ukraine.

The two countries produce 30 percent of the global wheat supply.

Leading experts accuse Russia of inciting genocide in Ukraine and intending to 'destroy' Ukrainian people

Russia's actions in Ukraine provide enough evidence to conclude that Moscow is inciting genocide and committing atrocities intended to destroy the Ukrainian people, according to the first independent report into allegations of genocide in that country.

The legal report, signed by more than 30 leading legal scholars and genocide experts, accuses the Russian state of violating several articles of the United Nations Genocide Convention. It warns there is a serious and imminent risk of genocide in Ukraine, backing the accusations with a long list of evidence including examples of mass killings of civilians, forced deportations and dehumanizing anti-Ukrainian rhetoric used by top Russian officials.

The report was put together by New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy, a US-based think tank, and the Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights which is based in Canada, and is set to release on Friday, with the authors sending copies to parliaments, governments and international organizations around the world. An advance copy of the report has been shared exclusively with CNN.

"We assembled top legal experts from around the globe who then examined all the evidence and they came to the conclusion that the Russian Federation bears responsibility for breaches of the Genocide Convention in Ukraine," Azeem Ibrahim of the New Lines Institute told CNN. Ibrahim visited Ukraine in March to gather evidence for the report.

"This is a very thorough and detailed examination of extensive evidence," he said. "What we have seen so far is that this war is genocidal in its nature, in terms of the language being used and the manner in which it is being executed. That's very, very clear."

Under the UN Genocide Convention, its signatories have a legal obligation to prevent genocide -- and the report is urging the international community to act.

"We have no time at all, we believe that there is a very serious risk of genocide," Ibrahim said. "Every country that is a signatory to the Genocide Convention, and that's 151 countries including the Russian Federation, every country has to do whatever it can to put a stop to this, otherwise they will also be in breach of the convention."

In one of the most chilling parts of the report, the group makes a direct comparison with the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, urging the world to act before it's too late: "The details of the mass murder of over 7,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men in Srebrenica only emerged before the international community when it was too late to prevent a genocide that occurred in a matter of days. In 2022, we have the capabilities to accurately track similar atrocities as they unfold and respond accordingly."

The report points finger directly at Moscow, accusing Russia's top officials of orchestrating incitement to genocide and laying the groundwork for future genocide by repeatedly denying the existence of a Ukrainian identity.

The Kremlin has forcefully disagreed with President Joe Biden's statement in April that he considered Russia's actions in Ukraine a "genocide."



The New Lines and Raoul Wallenberg Centre report says the Russian state is breaching Article II and Article III (c) of the Genocide Convention. Article II of the convention states genocide is an attempt to commit acts "with an intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." Article III (c) concerns the "direct and public incitement to commit genocide."

As examples of the evidence that Russia is breaching the convention, the experts highlight repeated statements made by Russia's President Vladimir Putin who has made it clear he believes Ukraine has no right to exist as an independent state.

They also point to the dehumanizing language used by top Russian officials to describe Ukrainians -- including worlds like "bestial," "subordinate" and "filth" -- as well as their portrayal of Ukraine as a "Nazi state" and an "existential threat" to Russia.

But the report goes further than alleging Russia is intending to commit genocide, accusing Russian forces of carrying out a "pattern of consistent and pervasive atrocities against Ukrainian civilians collectively" in the course of the invasion.

It says that the well-documented massacres and summary executions in Bucha, Staryi Bykiv, and in Sumy and Chernihiv regions, Russia's deliberate attacks on shelters, evacuation routes and healthcare facilities, as well the indiscriminate targeting and bombardment of residential areas, rapes, sieges, grain thefts and forced deportations to Russia all amount to "genocidal pattern of destruction."

CNN has independently confirmed many of the atrocities mentioned in the report.

The New Lines Institute and Raoul Wallenberg Centre have previously investigated the Rohingya and Uyghur genocides in Myanmar and China respectively, and produced the first report that determined that China's actions in Xinjiang constituted genocide under the Genocide Convention.

The team of authors includes David Scheffer, who played a pivotal role in talks establishing the International Criminal Court as the first ever US Ambassador at Large for War Crimes Issues.

Canada's former ambassador to the UN Allan Rock and Charles Taku, the lead counsel at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and Special Court for Sierra Leone were also involved.

Apart from legal scholars and genocide experts, the team assembled by New Lines Institute also includes open source intelligence investigators, and linguists who examined a communications intercepts and testimonials.
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On May 27 2022 11:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Putin offers to avert the global wheat and fertiliser shortage if western sanctions are lifted.Seems unlikely, so expect higher food prices.


https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/26/russia-ready-to-help-overcome-food-crisis-if-west-lifts-sanctions-putin-a77818

Similar article from Bloomberg that was paywalled for me, but may not be for you : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-26/putin-ties-grain-exports-to-demand-that-sanctions-on-russia-go

On May 27 2022 23:44 Oleo wrote:


Casual, "would you like to join me in my war crimes?"-proposal from our fascist friends.(Steal Ukrainian foodstocks and sell it) Such a disgusting people, hopefully UN will wake up quickly and start to grow some backbone, starting with kicking out the fascists that piss all over chapter 1 of their charter.

On May 28 2022 00:02 Yurie wrote:


The purpose of the UN as made doesn't align with kicking out bad actors in most cases. They want everybody to be there and be part of the discussion. They don't really have any mandate to act on anything if a nation says no, regardless of if it makes sense or not.

On May 28 2022 01:11 JimmiC wrote:
The Russians have been making gains the last few days. The UA really needs this higher tech heavier arms to push them back when they are undermanned.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/stop-playing-russia-end-war-020307748.html

On May 29 2022 07:23 Sent. wrote:
It's good to know that Odessa is safer, but there's no way Ukraine will open up its ports before this war ends. To be honest it was ridiculous that at least some parts of the Russian command believed taking Odessa from the sea was possible after failing to capture Mykolaiv. That was like ling rushing and hoping the Protoss won't bother to wall their natural.

Everyone's eyes should be on Sievierodonetsk now, where artillery, tanks, and jets are needed.

On May 29 2022 06:18 Sermokala wrote:
The new units mentioned by ardias that Russia is forming to send in is probably real and will be using t-62s it seems. Those are some extremely old tanks but they aren't decrepit and if ukrain has atgms capable of popping t-90m's without much issue they aren't losing an extreme amount of viability with it. They can reuse most of their training regime with them as it was the first to use an auto loader to only have 3 men per tank.

On May 29 2022 20:58 Ardias wrote:

Correction - T-62s don't use autoloader, the first Soviet tank to employ those was T-64. Also T-62M version (which is the only one remaining in service) isn't much older that Polish T-72M1 sent to Ukraine, though I stand somewhat corrected about Polish tanks, Poland also had some of T-72M1 upgraded to T-72M1R standard, employing thermal sight, new engine, and communication system. They were supposed to finish modernization of the remaining T-72M1 fleet from 2020 by 2025, so I guess around 30-40% are upgraded to this standard by now. I've also heard rumors that T-72M1Rs sent to Ukraine had their thermals being removed, but no solid proof of that.
Though yeah, T-62M isn't modern tank by any means. And I doubt the ones spotted at Melitopol are used for new Russian combat units (those would be probably created and based in the western parts of Russia, bordering Belarus and Ukraine. My guess these are sent to replace the losses of DPR tank formations. Also T-62Ms were actively used by the troops of South Military District in Chechen wars and Georgian war, so I guess it isn't first combat deployment of these particular batch of tanks.