EPTTo me it kinda looks like UA is trying to clear the flanks and retreat a bit in the east so that there's only one front left and Russians can face encirclement if they push too much.
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Manit0u
Poland17731 Posts
To me it kinda looks like UA is trying to clear the flanks and retreat a bit in the east so that there's only one front left and Russians can face encirclement if they push too much. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11805 Posts
On June 01 2022 17:50 zatic wrote: I found this analysis of the evolution of Ukrainian artillery tactics since 2014 very interesting. By the Austrian military, in German, but English subtitles available. The entire series by the same institution is very well done and recommended. This video has an amazing amount of military euphemisms involved. "Wirksystem" "bewirken" and lead to "schwere Ausfälle" So basically, a weapon is not a weapon, but something that leads to effects. These effecting systems don't shoot, they effect something, and lead to losses, but not in the way that something is gone, just that it stops working. The video is really interesting, but that view into how the military views weapons is kind of scary. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On June 01 2022 19:51 Simberto wrote: This video has an amazing amount of military euphemisms involved. "Wirksystem" "bewirken" and lead to "schwere Ausfälle" So basically, a weapon is not a weapon, but something that leads to effects. These effecting systems don't shoot, they effect something, and lead to losses, but not in the way that something is gone, just that it stops working. The video is really interesting, but that view into how the military views weapons is kind of scary. I would assume it's the same in any language. We also talk about "delivering" a "payload" to "deny an area". Especially in German it sounds kind of off to civilians but I would assume this is just regular military parlance - especially in an military academic setting. | ||
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Artesimo
Germany571 Posts
It is in essence, technical terms that are free of any value judgement, which makes perfect sense imo. In german it feels a bit extra odd since it also has a certain 'Beamtendeutsch' flair. At least to me as a non native speaker, the terms used by english speaking militaries are similar euphemistic, but more rooted in common language. Whereas in german, we get a language that not only feels at odds with what it is describing, but also with everyday use of the german language. | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
On June 01 2022 11:10 Manit0u wrote: Does anyone know if Russia has any educational requirements for their officers and NCOs? Poland is a post-soviet country basically and it had its military structures modernized so that there are minimum requirements for various positions: - gymnasium required to enlist in the army (junior high? I'm not certain about other countries equivalents as this changed in Poland, during my time we had 8 years of primary school and 4 years of highschool and after I graduated they changed it to 6 + 3 + 3) - finished highschool to become an NCO (corporal up to ensign rank equivalent I believe) - masters degree equivalent to become an officer (junior lieutenant and above) Also, military academies in Poland are some of the best universities we have and are generally rather hard to get into. There's Military Technical Academy for the ground forces that gives you master engineer degree, Air Force University and Naval Academy. You can also enlist in those universities as a civilian as they have courses for that too. For NCOs there is no general educational requirment prior to enlistment. After recieving general education (or "incomplete middle education" as it is called in Russia, which means 9 (or 8 when I was a kid) years in school) you are free to enlist (or rather you'll get conscripted anyway if you pass health standards, then you can sign a contract during conscription service, or finish conscription service and apply for a contract one, in a different branch of military, for example). When you get some NCO-level specific military specialty (squad commander, tank commander, supply and maintenance on company level etc,) you are given 4-6 month specific training for that. To be an officer you need to finish "complete middle education" (it's another 2 years of high school in addition to 9 before that), or "proffesional middle education" (it's 2-4 years of studying in college (in Russia colleges are either giving you some techincal blue-collar profession, or lower level of and then graduate from military academy (4 or 5 years generally, may be 6 for medics (we have only started to apply Bologna system in mid 2010-s, and seem to be scrapping it now, so there is no bachelor/master degree difference for military, time of study only differs for different specialities). Can't quite compare the level of study in basic university and military academy, but there is none of the latter among the most prestigious universities in Russia. They do host some civilian specialities as well though. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17731 Posts
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Ardias
Russian Federation618 Posts
So new recruits could only replenish losses in existing combat units, but these losses are not that signinficant to require few hundred thousand new troops. To make mobilization possible we need to have some skeletons of new units at least. For Ukraine it was easier, since they had Reserve Corps with 11 reserve brigades (3 tank, 2 motorized, 2 mechanized, 2 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 Jaeger), + 25 Territorial Defence brigades (which at peacetime had less than 10% of their strength, and were filled to full strength with mobilized reservists). It would allow for mobilization of almost 200 thousand men just to fill those (with addition of different logistic units). | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intelligence-report-says-1710357 | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
EU countries have reached agreement on their sixth package of sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, including a complete import ban on all Russian seaborne crude oil and petroleum products in six to eight months. Source | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22281 Posts
On June 04 2022 02:36 JimmiC wrote: if your talking about "in 6 months we will ban X" its almost certainly about giving EU countries that time to adjust and find alternatives. Its all about hurting and distancing from Russia while trying to minimize and soften the impact to yourself.Is the slow drip of sanctions about giving them a chance to work before tightening the screws or is it about the Eau countires figuring out how do deal with them on their end? I feel like its the latter because the slowness also gives Russia more time to find alternatives and nothing so far has made a direct impact to slowing them down. And yes as a side result it also softens the blow a bit for Russia. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17731 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [not for the faint of heart] + They cut all of your fingertips and the tip of the penis so you bleed out - they're calling it 21 roses. They put barbwire onto broomstick, insert it into anus and pull out slowly along with the entrails. If those are to be believed than they're some truly sick fucks... I'm inclined to believe the tales since war does bring out the worst in some people and also we already had reports of torture from intercepted calls where they drove vehicles over 17yo kid's legs to get intel out of him. | ||
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation378 Posts
On June 04 2022 04:54 Manit0u wrote: Some new info on how Russians are torturing/killing captured Ukrainians. I'm not 100% sure about its validity, it's info from Ukrainians in Poland who supposedly got it from their friends and family fighting at the front so second-hand info at best. + Show Spoiler [not for the faint of heart] + They cut all of your fingertips and the tip of the penis so you bleed out - they're calling it 21 roses. They put barbwire onto broomstick, insert it into anus and pull out slowly along with the entrails. If those are to be believed than they're some truly sick fucks... I'm inclined to believe the tales since war does bring out the worst in some people and also we already had reports of torture from intercepted calls where they drove vehicles over 17yo kid's legs to get intel out of him. A man who told to hold a gun in his hands to shoot another man is sick. No wonder those people will do shit things to themselfs. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On June 04 2022 04:54 Manit0u wrote: Some new info on how Russians are torturing/killing captured Ukrainians. I'm not 100% sure about its validity, it's info from Ukrainians in Poland who supposedly got it from their friends and family fighting at the front so second-hand info at best. + Show Spoiler [not for the faint of heart] + They cut all of your fingertips and the tip of the penis so you bleed out - they're calling it 21 roses. They put barbwire onto broomstick, insert it into anus and pull out slowly along with the entrails. If those are to be believed than they're some truly sick fucks... I'm inclined to believe the tales since war does bring out the worst in some people and also we already had reports of torture from intercepted calls where they drove vehicles over 17yo kid's legs to get intel out of him. There are some truly horrifying reports on how they treated the chechens. It could be true, those examples are probably falses, as tales from the brother of a friend from the front tend to do the opposite of lending credibility. But there's no doubt that the russian army enjoys committing atrocities. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Spain is sending more heavy weapons to Ukraine according to a newspaper. Will be interesting to see if Germany prevents this as they have yet to send Tanks to Ukraine they promised. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
I always imagined that generals worked in safe places, far, far away from frontlines, reading reports, looking at maps, coordinating… | ||
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Sermokala
United States14105 Posts
For all of their problems, the Russians do spend money training these people. | ||
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