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On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"?
I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation?
Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part?
I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life.
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On June 13 2022 04:54 Vinekh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 03:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:As someone born in Slovakia and living in Canada... Following this conflict is depressing. Especially reddit likes to live in some fake bubble that Putin has dementia, and all their equipment is disassembled and rusting in storage. And that if Russia doesn't take their objective in 1 week that Ukraine is winning. Russia is determined, they are 100x more efficient than the West in anything they do.And Biden is talking about how the oil and gas companies aren't drilling and they shouldn't take too much profit. Like it's so hypocritical, he's been trying to get them all shut down for years and now he's expecting them to be an ally? And trying to blame inflation on Russia, like what? Of course I want Ukraine to succeed, but the good thing coming out if this invasion is that when people's survival is a stake, we might cut down some bureaucracy and special snowflakes and bring back a get shit type of attitude done to the world. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Efficiency is the last thing I can connect Russia to. Corruption and waste come to mind much faster. Yes, probably Russia will eventually win in this war by sheer brute force. That doesn't mean that the war was not a total disaster for them.
I'm fairly convinced that without US involvement and no Nuclear weapons, Russia could conquer all of Europe... It's been all bark and no bite from everyone but the UK and Poland.
I think that the lack of bureaucracy in Russia means they can do everyone 10x cheaper than the West even if their GDP doesn't look so mighty. Russia mobilizing 200k troops, and is able to push through a country of 40mil pop that has all focus on national defence, a very large land area, and they are doing all this while taking very little casualties from a total war perspective.
People are counting the destroyed equipment charts like they were one of a kind historic monuments. How many vehicles does Toyota produce per year, 10 million? Of course tanks and howitzers are somewhat more complex, but when you put your industrial might into war production, replacing a couple thousand is nothing. People compare peace time production and use it to determine how much they're able to produce. And no question Russia is able to get these up and running much faster than the west. At current intensity, I think Russia could fight indefinitely, whereas the western media is already losing interest in the conflict, and public support swaying after a few short months.
War is a battle of size, experience, and logistics, much more than of technology. It's easy for a country to talk about how advanced and amazing some weapons system they bought 3 of when they never use it... But this invasion is showing that in conventional warfare, a tank is a tank, an artillery is artillery, one shot is enough to take out the soviet stuff, same as the m777. This isn't a 1vs1 battle fought in a bubble. Brute force and logistics is how wars are won, not some fancy 300 Sparta tactics.
Edit: Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not pro-Russia... I just think we are being fed a lot of propaganda as well and are becoming a bit of an echo chamber.
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On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life.
Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation.
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On June 13 2022 06:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 04:54 Vinekh wrote:On June 13 2022 03:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:As someone born in Slovakia and living in Canada... Following this conflict is depressing. Especially reddit likes to live in some fake bubble that Putin has dementia, and all their equipment is disassembled and rusting in storage. And that if Russia doesn't take their objective in 1 week that Ukraine is winning. Russia is determined, they are 100x more efficient than the West in anything they do.And Biden is talking about how the oil and gas companies aren't drilling and they shouldn't take too much profit. Like it's so hypocritical, he's been trying to get them all shut down for years and now he's expecting them to be an ally? And trying to blame inflation on Russia, like what? Of course I want Ukraine to succeed, but the good thing coming out if this invasion is that when people's survival is a stake, we might cut down some bureaucracy and special snowflakes and bring back a get shit type of attitude done to the world. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Efficiency is the last thing I can connect Russia to. Corruption and waste come to mind much faster. Yes, probably Russia will eventually win in this war by sheer brute force. That doesn't mean that the war was not a total disaster for them. I'm fairly convinced that without US involvement and no Nuclear weapons, Russia could conquer all of Europe... It's been all bark and no bite from everyone but the UK and Poland. I think that the lack of bureaucracy in Russia means they can do everyone 10x cheaper than the West even if their GDP doesn't look so mighty. Russia mobilizing 200k troops, and is able to push through a country of 40mil pop that has all focus on national defence, a very large land area, and they are doing all this while taking very little casualties from a total war perspective. People are counting the destroyed equipment charts like they were one of a kind historic monuments. How many vehicles does Toyota produce per year, 10 million? Of course tanks and howitzers are somewhat more complex, but when you put your industrial might into war production, replacing a couple thousand is nothing. People compare peace time production and use it to determine how much they're able to produce. And no question Russia is able to get these up and running much faster than the west. At current intensity, I think Russia could fight indefinitely, whereas the western media is already losing interest in the conflict, and public support swaying after a few short months. War is a battle of size, experience, and logistics, much more than of technology. It's easy for a country to talk about how advanced and amazing some weapons system they bought 3 of when they never use it... But this invasion is showing that in conventional warfare, a tank is a tank, an artillery is artillery, one shot is enough to take out the soviet stuff, same as the m777. This isn't a 1vs1 battle fought in a bubble. Brute force and logistics is how wars are won, not some fancy 300 Sparta tactics. Edit: Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not pro-Russia... I just think we are being fed a lot of propaganda as well and are becoming a bit of an echo chamber.
I mean Slovakia and checkia are right there I don't know why you would forget there where there but okay. France also has a lot of African allies and a lot of military units its made to stabilize Africa that it could use to defend europe in a war. Romania Bulgaria might have a few things to say about a possible Russian invasion happening to them again.
I want to know who told you there is a "lack of bureaucracy in russia" like I legit want to see that for personal use. Russia has pushed through maybe a fifth of the country and has taken horrific losses. The lack of a flyover for May 9th is a massive red flag. the T-62's being brought in by train is a red flag. The 774 tanks (including the newest T-90M) 426 AFV's 848 IFV's 116 APC's 27 MRAP's 80 Command vehicles 31 aircraft 47 copters 9 ships (including the flagship of the fleet Moskva) 1224 trucks that we can confirm at a minimum that have been lost are not "very little casualties from a total war perspective. Modern military equipment doesn't grow on trees. From Russias own reports on how much these things cost they cannot have enough to replace these. They cannot produce these things from their own industries, Russia made 1.8% of the global production of cars in the world. You don't make Toyota cars with the same things you make tanks out of, you can't make tanks out of the same factories you make toyota cars out of. Tanks are much more like Tractors than cars. Howitzers are wildly less complex than tanks actually but even then they require completely different industries and supply chains than commercial vehicles. There are no secret fields of factories in the urals that no one knows about. We have things in orbit that take pictures and we can tell if these things exist. The Russian army is not an example of experience or logistics. Russia is literally that nation that talks about some amazing weapons systems they say they bought 3 of and never use them. Does the T-14 T-15 T-16 Su-57 actually exist?
Saying you think russia could fight indefinitely and are saying insane things about the russian industry we know are factually wrong makes you pro russia.
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On June 13 2022 06:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 04:54 Vinekh wrote:On June 13 2022 03:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:As someone born in Slovakia and living in Canada... Following this conflict is depressing. Especially reddit likes to live in some fake bubble that Putin has dementia, and all their equipment is disassembled and rusting in storage. And that if Russia doesn't take their objective in 1 week that Ukraine is winning. Russia is determined, they are 100x more efficient than the West in anything they do.And Biden is talking about how the oil and gas companies aren't drilling and they shouldn't take too much profit. Like it's so hypocritical, he's been trying to get them all shut down for years and now he's expecting them to be an ally? And trying to blame inflation on Russia, like what? Of course I want Ukraine to succeed, but the good thing coming out if this invasion is that when people's survival is a stake, we might cut down some bureaucracy and special snowflakes and bring back a get shit type of attitude done to the world. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Efficiency is the last thing I can connect Russia to. Corruption and waste come to mind much faster. Yes, probably Russia will eventually win in this war by sheer brute force. That doesn't mean that the war was not a total disaster for them. I'm fairly convinced that without US involvement and no Nuclear weapons, Russia could conquer all of Europe... It's been all bark and no bite from everyone but the UK and Poland. I think that the lack of bureaucracy in Russia means they can do everyone 10x cheaper than the West even if their GDP doesn't look so mighty. Russia mobilizing 200k troops, and is able to push through a country of 40mil pop that has all focus on national defence, a very large land area, and they are doing all this while taking very little casualties from a total war perspective. People are counting the destroyed equipment charts like they were one of a kind historic monuments. How many vehicles does Toyota produce per year, 10 million? Of course tanks and howitzers are somewhat more complex, but when you put your industrial might into war production, replacing a couple thousand is nothing. People compare peace time production and use it to determine how much they're able to produce. And no question Russia is able to get these up and running much faster than the west. At current intensity, I think Russia could fight indefinitely, whereas the western media is already losing interest in the conflict, and public support swaying after a few short months. War is a battle of size, experience, and logistics, much more than of technology. It's easy for a country to talk about how advanced and amazing some weapons system they bought 3 of when they never use it... But this invasion is showing that in conventional warfare, a tank is a tank, an artillery is artillery, one shot is enough to take out the soviet stuff, same as the m777. This isn't a 1vs1 battle fought in a bubble. Brute force and logistics is how wars are won, not some fancy 300 Sparta tactics. Edit: Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not pro-Russia... I just think we are being fed a lot of propaganda as well and are becoming a bit of an echo chamber. I don't see how you can look at Russia failing to beat Ukraine and then conclude Russia would beat the entire EU.
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Also the us was in Afghanistan for 20 years and 2 trillion and it was forgotten or unpopular the entire time. Everyone in this country has been raised to think Russians are the bad guy and that America is number 1. We get to advertise all the shit we've been making to turn back the Russians for decades and decades.
We don't have universal health care. We have terrible wealth inequality. Being good at war is the only thing we have and we commit to them like an irishman does to marriage.
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On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life.
Biden doesn’t have a draconian policy towards oil companies.
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On June 13 2022 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 06:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 04:54 Vinekh wrote:On June 13 2022 03:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:As someone born in Slovakia and living in Canada... Following this conflict is depressing. Especially reddit likes to live in some fake bubble that Putin has dementia, and all their equipment is disassembled and rusting in storage. And that if Russia doesn't take their objective in 1 week that Ukraine is winning. Russia is determined, they are 100x more efficient than the West in anything they do.And Biden is talking about how the oil and gas companies aren't drilling and they shouldn't take too much profit. Like it's so hypocritical, he's been trying to get them all shut down for years and now he's expecting them to be an ally? And trying to blame inflation on Russia, like what? Of course I want Ukraine to succeed, but the good thing coming out if this invasion is that when people's survival is a stake, we might cut down some bureaucracy and special snowflakes and bring back a get shit type of attitude done to the world. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Efficiency is the last thing I can connect Russia to. Corruption and waste come to mind much faster. Yes, probably Russia will eventually win in this war by sheer brute force. That doesn't mean that the war was not a total disaster for them. I'm fairly convinced that without US involvement and no Nuclear weapons, Russia could conquer all of Europe... It's been all bark and no bite from everyone but the UK and Poland. I think that the lack of bureaucracy in Russia means they can do everyone 10x cheaper than the West even if their GDP doesn't look so mighty. Russia mobilizing 200k troops, and is able to push through a country of 40mil pop that has all focus on national defence, a very large land area, and they are doing all this while taking very little casualties from a total war perspective. People are counting the destroyed equipment charts like they were one of a kind historic monuments. How many vehicles does Toyota produce per year, 10 million? Of course tanks and howitzers are somewhat more complex, but when you put your industrial might into war production, replacing a couple thousand is nothing. People compare peace time production and use it to determine how much they're able to produce. And no question Russia is able to get these up and running much faster than the west. At current intensity, I think Russia could fight indefinitely, whereas the western media is already losing interest in the conflict, and public support swaying after a few short months. War is a battle of size, experience, and logistics, much more than of technology. It's easy for a country to talk about how advanced and amazing some weapons system they bought 3 of when they never use it... But this invasion is showing that in conventional warfare, a tank is a tank, an artillery is artillery, one shot is enough to take out the soviet stuff, same as the m777. This isn't a 1vs1 battle fought in a bubble. Brute force and logistics is how wars are won, not some fancy 300 Sparta tactics. Edit: Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not pro-Russia... I just think we are being fed a lot of propaganda as well and are becoming a bit of an echo chamber. I don't see how you can look at Russia failing to beat Ukraine and then conclude Russia would beat the entire EU.
I do think Ukraine is going to lose slowly unless they get drastically more western arms(and ammo), and more importantly the more modern force multiplier stuff. At the moment it's a lot of back and forth from what has been reported, and Russia wins that because they can throw more bodies and equipment at a problem, with reserve munitions from decades of preparing for war against all of Europe and the US. Most of the really nice stuff unfortunately would take months of training to use though.
That being said, a modern army from the larger EU countries alone(Germany/UK) would've ruined the Russian army in a conventional war from what I've seen. It wouldn't be a bloodless victory, but I'm pretty confident that it would be very one sided.
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On June 13 2022 18:18 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:On June 13 2022 06:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 04:54 Vinekh wrote:On June 13 2022 03:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:As someone born in Slovakia and living in Canada... Following this conflict is depressing. Especially reddit likes to live in some fake bubble that Putin has dementia, and all their equipment is disassembled and rusting in storage. And that if Russia doesn't take their objective in 1 week that Ukraine is winning. Russia is determined, they are 100x more efficient than the West in anything they do.And Biden is talking about how the oil and gas companies aren't drilling and they shouldn't take too much profit. Like it's so hypocritical, he's been trying to get them all shut down for years and now he's expecting them to be an ally? And trying to blame inflation on Russia, like what? Of course I want Ukraine to succeed, but the good thing coming out if this invasion is that when people's survival is a stake, we might cut down some bureaucracy and special snowflakes and bring back a get shit type of attitude done to the world. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Efficiency is the last thing I can connect Russia to. Corruption and waste come to mind much faster. Yes, probably Russia will eventually win in this war by sheer brute force. That doesn't mean that the war was not a total disaster for them. I'm fairly convinced that without US involvement and no Nuclear weapons, Russia could conquer all of Europe... It's been all bark and no bite from everyone but the UK and Poland. I think that the lack of bureaucracy in Russia means they can do everyone 10x cheaper than the West even if their GDP doesn't look so mighty. Russia mobilizing 200k troops, and is able to push through a country of 40mil pop that has all focus on national defence, a very large land area, and they are doing all this while taking very little casualties from a total war perspective. People are counting the destroyed equipment charts like they were one of a kind historic monuments. How many vehicles does Toyota produce per year, 10 million? Of course tanks and howitzers are somewhat more complex, but when you put your industrial might into war production, replacing a couple thousand is nothing. People compare peace time production and use it to determine how much they're able to produce. And no question Russia is able to get these up and running much faster than the west. At current intensity, I think Russia could fight indefinitely, whereas the western media is already losing interest in the conflict, and public support swaying after a few short months. War is a battle of size, experience, and logistics, much more than of technology. It's easy for a country to talk about how advanced and amazing some weapons system they bought 3 of when they never use it... But this invasion is showing that in conventional warfare, a tank is a tank, an artillery is artillery, one shot is enough to take out the soviet stuff, same as the m777. This isn't a 1vs1 battle fought in a bubble. Brute force and logistics is how wars are won, not some fancy 300 Sparta tactics. Edit: Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not pro-Russia... I just think we are being fed a lot of propaganda as well and are becoming a bit of an echo chamber. I don't see how you can look at Russia failing to beat Ukraine and then conclude Russia would beat the entire EU. I do think Ukraine is going to lose slowly unless they get drastically more western arms(and ammo), and more importantly the more modern force multiplier stuff. At the moment it's a lot of back and forth from what has been reported, and Russia wins that because they can throw more bodies and equipment at a problem, with reserve munitions from decades of preparing for war against all of Europe and the US. Most of the really nice stuff unfortunately would take months of training to use though. That being said, a modern army from the larger EU countries alone(Germany/UK) would've ruined the Russian army in a conventional war from what I've seen. It wouldn't be a bloodless victory, but I'm pretty confident that it would be very one sided.
Russian has spent two decades replacing domestic industry with imports and now has to try to remember how to make things. Their economy is going to run out of spare parts sooner rather than later.
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On June 13 2022 18:18 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:On June 13 2022 06:32 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 04:54 Vinekh wrote:On June 13 2022 03:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:As someone born in Slovakia and living in Canada... Following this conflict is depressing. Especially reddit likes to live in some fake bubble that Putin has dementia, and all their equipment is disassembled and rusting in storage. And that if Russia doesn't take their objective in 1 week that Ukraine is winning. Russia is determined, they are 100x more efficient than the West in anything they do.And Biden is talking about how the oil and gas companies aren't drilling and they shouldn't take too much profit. Like it's so hypocritical, he's been trying to get them all shut down for years and now he's expecting them to be an ally? And trying to blame inflation on Russia, like what? Of course I want Ukraine to succeed, but the good thing coming out if this invasion is that when people's survival is a stake, we might cut down some bureaucracy and special snowflakes and bring back a get shit type of attitude done to the world. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Efficiency is the last thing I can connect Russia to. Corruption and waste come to mind much faster. Yes, probably Russia will eventually win in this war by sheer brute force. That doesn't mean that the war was not a total disaster for them. I'm fairly convinced that without US involvement and no Nuclear weapons, Russia could conquer all of Europe... It's been all bark and no bite from everyone but the UK and Poland. I think that the lack of bureaucracy in Russia means they can do everyone 10x cheaper than the West even if their GDP doesn't look so mighty. Russia mobilizing 200k troops, and is able to push through a country of 40mil pop that has all focus on national defence, a very large land area, and they are doing all this while taking very little casualties from a total war perspective. People are counting the destroyed equipment charts like they were one of a kind historic monuments. How many vehicles does Toyota produce per year, 10 million? Of course tanks and howitzers are somewhat more complex, but when you put your industrial might into war production, replacing a couple thousand is nothing. People compare peace time production and use it to determine how much they're able to produce. And no question Russia is able to get these up and running much faster than the west. At current intensity, I think Russia could fight indefinitely, whereas the western media is already losing interest in the conflict, and public support swaying after a few short months. War is a battle of size, experience, and logistics, much more than of technology. It's easy for a country to talk about how advanced and amazing some weapons system they bought 3 of when they never use it... But this invasion is showing that in conventional warfare, a tank is a tank, an artillery is artillery, one shot is enough to take out the soviet stuff, same as the m777. This isn't a 1vs1 battle fought in a bubble. Brute force and logistics is how wars are won, not some fancy 300 Sparta tactics. Edit: Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not pro-Russia... I just think we are being fed a lot of propaganda as well and are becoming a bit of an echo chamber. I don't see how you can look at Russia failing to beat Ukraine and then conclude Russia would beat the entire EU. I do think Ukraine is going to lose slowly unless they get drastically more western arms(and ammo), and more importantly the more modern force multiplier stuff. At the moment it's a lot of back and forth from what has been reported, and Russia wins that because they can throw more bodies and equipment at a problem, with reserve munitions from decades of preparing for war against all of Europe and the US. Most of the really nice stuff unfortunately would take months of training to use though. That being said, a modern army from the larger EU countries alone(Germany/UK) would've ruined the Russian army in a conventional war from what I've seen. It wouldn't be a bloodless victory, but I'm pretty confident that it would be very one sided.
Modern army and Germany in one sentence. Haha. I think you meant the French.
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It seems possible that Ukraine might lose the war without some sort of intervention by NATO. However, our Western allies are apprehensive about any such involvement. Do you think key NATO members like the US, UK and France would be willing to give Poland assurances that they'd protect its territory in case it decided to send troops to help Ukraine? Would they be willing to retaliate in case Russia used nuclear weapons on us, as Putin threatened?
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On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation.
This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term.
Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now.
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There is no way that Russia could beat EU. Even if you take nukes into account you must remember that EU has them too so it would most likely end up in ruination of entire Europe and Asia if it came to that. In a regular warfare Russia stands absolutely no chance against EU/NATO. Especially if you consider that NATO military budget is over 80 times that of Russia, which means more and better equipment, better trained troops etc. Even if equipment and training were equal, Russia is numerically dwarfed by NATO by a huge margin. NATO has 3.5 times the personnel of Russia and the disparity in equipment is vast.
Another thing is that NATO member states tend to be rather strong in terms of their economy, which can't be said about Russia now and ultimately money wins wars as the pain threshold and point of military fatigue for a rich country are much higher.
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On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now.
Your view is that the loss of a major source of oil is not related to a spike in oil prices?
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On June 14 2022 00:44 maybenexttime wrote:
It seems possible that Ukraine might lose the war without some sort of intervention by NATO. However, our Western allies are apprehensive about any such involvement. Do you think key NATO members like the US, UK and France would be willing to give Poland assurances that they'd protect its territory in case it decided to send troops to help Ukraine? Would they be willing to retaliate in case Russia used nuclear weapons on us, as Putin threatened?
Absolutely not I'd say. The US is clearly not interested into getting into a direct conflict with russia, and same goes for pretty much everyone else. Every decision of support for ukraine so far seems to have been overshadowed by concerns of widening the conflict. I think those guarantees would only be given if there is confidence that they will not be needed.
Nukes would be a different thing, they would provoke some kind of response, but I think here it is unclear what kind of response. But the nuke scenario is even less likely than any key nato member/western power being okay with getting dragged into a war with russia imo.
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On June 14 2022 01:13 Manit0u wrote:
There is no way that Russia could beat EU. Even if you take nukes into account you must remember that EU has them too so it would most likely end up in ruination of entire Europe and Asia if it came to that. In a regular warfare Russia stands absolutely no chance against EU/NATO. Especially if you consider that NATO military budget is over 80 times that of Russia, which means more and better equipment, better trained troops etc. Even if equipment and training were equal, Russia is numerically dwarfed by NATO by a huge margin. NATO has 3.5 times the personnel of Russia and the disparity in equipment is vast.
Another thing is that NATO member states tend to be rather strong in terms of their economy, which can't be said about Russia now and ultimately money wins wars as the pain threshold and point of military fatigue for a rich country are much higher.
Generally, you're right, but war is very technical, and, unfortunately, the EU has outsourced certain capabilities to the US. So, if the US said "we're out, boys", the EU wouldn't have enough airlift, surveillance, and C2, among other things.
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The main problem Ukraine seems to be having according to reports is that it's running out of ammunition for its Soviet style weapons, mainly artillery. To me that seems like the only way they can lose the war (in the sense of being forced to surrender or being effectively conquered): simply by running out of things to shoot at Russian soldiers. That's the entire Russian plan at this point, they have nothing else they can place their bets on.
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On June 14 2022 06:15 Magic Powers wrote:
The main problem Ukraine seems to be having according to reports is that it's running out of ammunition for its Soviet style weapons, mainly artillery. To me that seems like the only way they can lose the war (in the sense of being forced to surrender or being effectively conquered): simply by running out of things to shoot at Russian soldiers. That's the entire Russian plan at this point, they have nothing else they can place their bets on.
They are being supplied with NATO standard weapons and munitions. US sent them more ammo for the 777 than those guns can even fire before their barrels are busted and this ammo is compatible with other artillery pieces they got from other places.
Another thing is that they're securing large quantities of ammo from the Russians. Interviews with foreign legion there show that most common Russian reaction to being attacked is to drop everything and run away (that's why using 14 man teams they can take on entire platoons with armed vehicles as Russians simply abandon their vehicles and gear and run away).
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