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On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now.
Werent you one of the guy saying masks were fascism and would never disappear (among other absurdities)? Yeah i don't think your opinion holds any water once covid is on the table. Funny how that goes eh.
Concerning the 'lack of bureaucracy' that is so beneficial to Russia ... thats called corruption.
Russians military units are amongst the least independant compared to western armies. Most, if not all, military commands come from Moscow. There were reports that Putin would micromanage units of 600men..
My prediction remains the same as 2months ago. Long bloody war that will end with Russias bankruptcy and maybe putins head on a spike.
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On June 15 2022 00:40 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now. Werent you one of the guy saying masks were fascism and would never disappear (among other absurdities)? Yeah i don't think your opinion holds any water once covid is on the table. Funny how that goes eh. Concerning the 'lack of bureaucracy' that is so beneficial to Russia ... thats called corruption. Russians military units are amongst the least independant compared to western armies. Most, if not all, military commands come from Moscow. There were reports that Putin would micromanage units of 600men.. My prediction remains the same as 2months ago. Long bloody war that will end with Russias bankruptcy and maybe putins head on a spike.
This is extremely off topic but I feel compelled to reply that my country STILL has mandatory masks and vaccine passports for restaurants and movie theaters (Chile).
Even if Russia loses the war in some capacity, western leadership the last 2 years has been beyond lack luster. Not so much during Russia's invasion, but everything before that made the war look affordable for Putin.
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On June 15 2022 04:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2022 03:50 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 15 2022 00:40 Erasme wrote:On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now. Werent you one of the guy saying masks were fascism and would never disappear (among other absurdities)? Yeah i don't think your opinion holds any water once covid is on the table. Funny how that goes eh. Concerning the 'lack of bureaucracy' that is so beneficial to Russia ... thats called corruption. Russians military units are amongst the least independant compared to western armies. Most, if not all, military commands come from Moscow. There were reports that Putin would micromanage units of 600men.. My prediction remains the same as 2months ago. Long bloody war that will end with Russias bankruptcy and maybe putins head on a spike. This is extremely off topic but I feel compelled to reply that my country STILL has mandatory masks and vaccine passports for restaurants and movie theaters (Chile). Even if Russia loses the war in some capacity, western leadership the last 2 years has been beyond lack luster. Not so much during Russia's invasion, but everything before that made the war look affordable for Putin. Do you think masks hurt the economy? if so how does less people getting sick do that, covid or otherwise?
The embeded assumption in your question is 100% false, people are getting sick just the same as other countries in latin america despite MUCH higher vaccination rates. We have 13% year to year inflation.
+ Show Spoiler +My guess is mandatory masks don't make any diference because people just wear the least invasive mask (a loose clothe) for theater and everyone knows it, mostly to comply at the checkpoint and then at the chin. People who are actually worried and wear real maks in a real way don't need compulsion. I don't think they affect the economy that much or if at all anyway, but a permanent hassle has some impact on small businesses.
Unlike you and some people who post on this forum, that something is a "minute positive" does not warrant mandatory anything because freedom includes the chance to hurt yourself. I don't care about masks or vaccines, I care about mandatory anything. No one voted for this, no emergency status is currently invoked (here).
Wanna force people to do stuff 2 and a half years later, at least have the decency to hold a vote and pretend to be a republic.
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On June 15 2022 04:53 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2022 04:48 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 15 2022 04:01 JimmiC wrote:On June 15 2022 03:50 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 15 2022 00:40 Erasme wrote:On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now. Werent you one of the guy saying masks were fascism and would never disappear (among other absurdities)? Yeah i don't think your opinion holds any water once covid is on the table. Funny how that goes eh. Concerning the 'lack of bureaucracy' that is so beneficial to Russia ... thats called corruption. Russians military units are amongst the least independant compared to western armies. Most, if not all, military commands come from Moscow. There were reports that Putin would micromanage units of 600men.. My prediction remains the same as 2months ago. Long bloody war that will end with Russias bankruptcy and maybe putins head on a spike. This is extremely off topic but I feel compelled to reply that my country STILL has mandatory masks and vaccine passports for restaurants and movie theaters (Chile). Even if Russia loses the war in some capacity, western leadership the last 2 years has been beyond lack luster. Not so much during Russia's invasion, but everything before that made the war look affordable for Putin. Do you think masks hurt the economy? if so how does less people getting sick do that, covid or otherwise? The embeded assumption in your question is 100% false, people are getting sick just the same as other countries in latin america despite MUCH higher vaccination rates. We have 13% year to year inflation btw. Unlike you and some people who post on this forum, that something is a "minute positive" does not warrant mandatory anything because freedom includes the chance to hurt yourself. I don't care about masks or vaccines, I care about mandatory anything. No one voted for this, no emergency status is currently invoked (here). Wanna force people to do stuff 2 and a half years later, at least have the decency to hold a vote. You are dodging direct questions. You have multiple times posted about how the economy is hurt and mentioned masks. Explain how works, or maybe it is time to think about your own base assumptions instead of trying to attribute ones to me you think you can argue. Clearly you care a ton because it is basically all you post about, or at least you post about it an awful lot.
+ Show Spoiler +I clearly answered the questions, will make it even more clear.
Do you think masks hurt the economy?
A bit, they are a hassle for small business.
if so how does less people getting sick do that, covid or otherwise?
People are getting sick just the same, there is 0 evidence to claim mandatory masks helps anything at all. Offered detail explanation into a best guess above.
I'd rather not further derail this thread.
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On June 15 2022 05:04 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2022 04:59 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 15 2022 04:53 JimmiC wrote:On June 15 2022 04:48 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 15 2022 04:01 JimmiC wrote:On June 15 2022 03:50 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 15 2022 00:40 Erasme wrote:On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:
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I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation?
Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part?
I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now. Werent you one of the guy saying masks were fascism and would never disappear (among other absurdities)? Yeah i don't think your opinion holds any water once covid is on the table. Funny how that goes eh. Concerning the 'lack of bureaucracy' that is so beneficial to Russia ... thats called corruption. Russians military units are amongst the least independant compared to western armies. Most, if not all, military commands come from Moscow. There were reports that Putin would micromanage units of 600men.. My prediction remains the same as 2months ago. Long bloody war that will end with Russias bankruptcy and maybe putins head on a spike. This is extremely off topic but I feel compelled to reply that my country STILL has mandatory masks and vaccine passports for restaurants and movie theaters (Chile). Even if Russia loses the war in some capacity, western leadership the last 2 years has been beyond lack luster. Not so much during Russia's invasion, but everything before that made the war look affordable for Putin. Do you think masks hurt the economy? if so how does less people getting sick do that, covid or otherwise? The embeded assumption in your question is 100% false, people are getting sick just the same as other countries in latin america despite MUCH higher vaccination rates. We have 13% year to year inflation btw. Unlike you and some people who post on this forum, that something is a "minute positive" does not warrant mandatory anything because freedom includes the chance to hurt yourself. I don't care about masks or vaccines, I care about mandatory anything. No one voted for this, no emergency status is currently invoked (here). Wanna force people to do stuff 2 and a half years later, at least have the decency to hold a vote. You are dodging direct questions. You have multiple times posted about how the economy is hurt and mentioned masks. Explain how works, or maybe it is time to think about your own base assumptions instead of trying to attribute ones to me you think you can argue. Clearly you care a ton because it is basically all you post about, or at least you post about it an awful lot. + Show Spoiler +I clearly answered the questions, will make it even more clear.
Do you think masks hurt the economy?
A bit, they are a hassle for small business.
if so how does less people getting sick do that, covid or otherwise?
People are getting sick just the same, there is 0 evidence to claim mandatory masks helps anything at all. Offered detail explanation into a best guess above.
I'd rather not further derail this thread. Less sick people mean less cost to the economy because there is a cost for missed labour, often companies pay sick days which mean costs without production, cost to the healthcare system which is either entirely or partially tax supported, employee benefit plans premiums are recalculated annually based on how much use, and so on. Have you not ever wondered by both businesses and governments promote healthy living? The answer is sick people are less productive and more expensive.
Yes, are you not reading the replies ? There is 0 evidence masks had made anyone in Chile healthier. Feel free to provide it yourself because there is none it has worked here or at least has not been made available.
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I fully support an extra health tax for people under the age of 40 and above 25/30% male/female body fat. Should be less, but it's an ok starting point. I don't feel like I need to elaborate on the massive deleterious effects of being obese on anyone healths, and therefore the economic and social burden on the health care system. More over, people above a certain vo2max should receive a tax cut
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Canada11607 Posts
Hey. Keep the thread on topic.
If you want to talk about it, use the other thread.
Don't use it as an ad hominem- clearly this is what derailed the thread.
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On June 15 2022 04:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2022 03:50 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 15 2022 00:40 Erasme wrote:On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now. Werent you one of the guy saying masks were fascism and would never disappear (among other absurdities)? Yeah i don't think your opinion holds any water once covid is on the table. Funny how that goes eh. Concerning the 'lack of bureaucracy' that is so beneficial to Russia ... thats called corruption. Russians military units are amongst the least independant compared to western armies. Most, if not all, military commands come from Moscow. There were reports that Putin would micromanage units of 600men.. My prediction remains the same as 2months ago. Long bloody war that will end with Russias bankruptcy and maybe putins head on a spike. This is extremely off topic but I feel compelled to reply that my country STILL has mandatory masks and vaccine passports for restaurants and movie theaters (Chile). Even if Russia loses the war in some capacity, western leadership the last 2 years has been beyond lack luster. Not so much during Russia's invasion, but everything before that made the war look affordable for Putin. Do you think masks hurt the economy? if so how does less people getting sick do that, covid or otherwise?
I am challenging your logic here.
First, you don't specify anything about "masks". There are different types, different situations, different levels of infection in the population. Just stating "masks makes fewer sick" makes no sense. Which masks? Used when? How? At what point in the pandemic? These questions are so far ignored in favour of a moralistic and propaganda like information campaigns.
The real question should be: how many hospitalisations and deaths do masks prevent, and what are the negative consequences of mask use?
The research afaik is far from conclusive, and it is very easy to find studies both supporting and dismissing masks as effective.
Given that countries have had to fight major waves of infections near despite universal use makes me believe their usefulness is very limited, and that you need 10.000s of hours of use just to prevent a single infection, which would likely happen at a later point anyway. Also, you can force people to wear masks in public, but you can not force them in private nor to wear them correctly.
I think Norway had a healthy approach to masks, the first thing they did was digging up all research on the topic, not to jump on it guessing it would be an important measure. There were only local mandates in specific situations and for limited time, but I doubt they ever had much impact.
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On June 15 2022 03:50 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2022 00:40 Erasme wrote:On June 14 2022 00:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 13 2022 06:54 Sermokala wrote:On June 13 2022 06:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:On June 13 2022 05:19 Sermokala wrote:
Can you connect any of those things together for me? Cheering on oil companies price gouging because they want to influence our politics? Are you confused on why two major food and energy exporting nation being removed from the market would increase prices? Why would economic hardships remove bureaucracy and what exactly do you mean by "remove snowflakes"? I mean we increase money supply by 40% in one year, treat COVID like the end of civilization... And then have the audacity to try and blame Putin for inflation? Oil prices were high already before the Ukraine invasion, because Bidens draconian policy towards oil companies. Don't even get me started about how much Canada got shafted, just cancelling projects that we've invested billions of dollars into because he can supposedly. He's been the biggest enemy to oil that the US has ever had, and now he's bad mouthing oil and gas companies for not doing their part? I just mean that if a country like Germany will have Russia on their doorstep, there will be less talk about social issues, and a bit more on increasing output and technological advancement, which at the end of the day the #1 thing that elevates quality of life. Biden didn't close the keystone pipeline that was the supreme court. Covid was a global plague and if trump treated covid like the end of civilization we would have been in a lot better place than we ended up with. Putin is to blame for inflation, again because he launched an invasion that took two major food and energy-exporting nations off the market. Inflation is based on the prices for things and when there is less supply prices go up. Biden couldn't just cancel "projects because he can supposedly" again that was the courts that did that. the 6-3 conservative court that Trump moved far to the right. Carter was a lot larger enemy to oil, he put solar panels on the white house that biden has not done. I don't know what parts of the right you think are focused on "improving output and technological advancement" and not obsessed about social issues. I don't know why you think the anti diversity, anti immigration, anti human rights, anti science crowd would somehow improve "output and technological advancement". I also don't know why you think quality of life doesn't include improving your social situation. This kind of democrat shilling is just unbearable, Fiwifaki is 100% spot on. Go look at a damn graph of oil prices and/or goods in general, then go check the Russian invasion date. The economic crisis we are currently going into was not caused by covid or Russia, but by western's/chinese government irrational histeria driven measures that had close to 0 positive effect and at the very least years of economic and human damage long term. Had the previous administration been more histerical we would just be deeper in the hole now. Werent you one of the guy saying masks were fascism and would never disappear (among other absurdities)? Yeah i don't think your opinion holds any water once covid is on the table. Funny how that goes eh. Concerning the 'lack of bureaucracy' that is so beneficial to Russia ... thats called corruption. Russians military units are amongst the least independant compared to western armies. Most, if not all, military commands come from Moscow. There were reports that Putin would micromanage units of 600men.. My prediction remains the same as 2months ago. Long bloody war that will end with Russias bankruptcy and maybe putins head on a spike. This is extremely off topic but I feel compelled to reply that my country STILL has mandatory masks and vaccine passports for restaurants and movie theaters (Chile). Even if Russia loses the war in some capacity, western leadership the last 2 years has been beyond lack luster. Not so much during Russia's invasion, but everything before that made the war look affordable for Putin.
The reason why Ukraine is doing so well in the war is because of heavy western involvement in improving the Ukranian army to modern standards and giving them modern weapons. in the USA we had an impeachment trial because one of our presidents tried to hold up the aid to get dirt on his political opposition. A lot of Canadian and english missions went to training them to NATO small unit tactics that have proven so good at bleeding the bear.
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Zurich15366 Posts
Plus, intelligence is just absolutely huge. It's pretty much an open secret that NATO is sharing extensive satellite and AWACS data with Ukraine. I expect Ukraine gets a heads-up on all Russian ground and most air movement.
With regards to Russia, the notion that Russia is free of bureaucracy is fucking hilarious. It's a country suffocated by staggeringly inefficient bureaucracy. Like how can you even come up with the idea that Russia is light on bureaucracy? Russian Kafkaesque bureaucracy has been a meme for like 150 years.
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Yeah it’s not clear what « no bureaucracy » means. Every country has a bureaucracy. In the case of Russia, a corrupt, overbloated and inefficient one with that.
Also the idea that a country that has a 2 trillion dollars GDP could beat a coalition that has a 16 trillion dollars GDP and that an army that has a budget of 65 billion dollars could beat a combined force that has a 400+ billion dollar budget makes very, very little sense to me.
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And yet "somehow" Germans during WWII run over most of Europe. Budget is just one, of the many variables contributing towards the end result of the war.
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On June 15 2022 16:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Yeah it’s not clear what « no bureaucracy » means. Every country has a bureaucracy. In the case of Russia, a corrupt, overbloated and inefficient one with that.
Also the idea that a country that has a 2 trillion dollars GDP could beat a coalition that has a 16 trillion dollars GDP and that an army that has a budget of 65 billion dollars could beat a combined force that has a 400+ billion dollar budget makes very, very little sense to me.
They're nominal numbers and not adjusted for purchasing power. If you adjust for PPP Russia's budget is much larger (more than 200 billion dollars in some estimates). Here's an article from war on the rocks from 2019 which explains it if you're interested although it's clear they didn't suspect the extent of corruption in the Russian army. Having said that I agree that Russia invading anything other than neighbouring countries is inconceivable considering the large logistical issues they already have invading Ukraine and their loss of military power from the war.
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On June 15 2022 17:59 Silvanel wrote:
And yet "somehow" Germans during WWII run over most of Europe. Budget is just one, of the many variables contributing towards the end result of the war.
What do you mean most of Europe? They surprise-attacked Poland so it went quite fast. French put too much faith in their Maginot line and when Germans circumvented it they simply gave up. Other than that you can hardly call any of their other advances very rapid. It was a grueling war that lasted many years.
The times are different now too, back then when Germans started their conquest there was no big coalition like NATO that could present a unified front against them (remember that US didn't join the war until 2 years into it).
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On June 15 2022 20:53 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2022 17:59 Silvanel wrote:
And yet "somehow" Germans during WWII run over most of Europe. Budget is just one, of the many variables contributing towards the end result of the war. What do you mean most of Europe? They surprise-attacked Poland so it went quite fast. French put too much faith in their Maginot line and when Germans circumvented it they simply gave up. Other than that you can hardly call any of their other advances very rapid. It was a grueling war that lasted many years. The times are different now too, back then when Germans started their conquest there was no big coalition like NATO that could present a unified front against them (remember that US didn't join the war until 2 years into it).
I think that's a bit shortsighted. Blitzkrieg won Germany more than just Poland and France. They blitzed Belarus and Ukraine just as successfully (was about 2 months to conquer all of Belarus while simultaneously also conquering Ukraine, which was done after about 5 months). Yugoslavia took a few days, and Greece a month (if we ignore Italy's flailing around).
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Sure, but saying that someone could do that now is a bit ridiculous. Back then much of Germany's success was that it had the most modern army (as most countries were still mostly WWI era tactics and equipment) and a lot of countries didn't have much of a military presence. Another thing to note is that back then Europe's population was about half of what it is now, meaning much less density which directly translates into how quickly you can capture ground.
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