EPTOn August 24 2007 07:26 HorsementalitY wrote:
right or wrong thats what they believe in...
right or wrong thats what they believe in...
And then they want to keep their laws and ways of life when they come to OUR country ...
80 Lashes for 'Immoral' Iranian - Page 2
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Famehunter
Canada586 Posts
And then they want to keep their laws and ways of life when they come to OUR country ... | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
In other words, you get buried into the ground and surrounded by family members and other people who throw small stones at you until you are killed (the stones aren't small enough to not hurt and not big enough to kill too quickly) If you get out of the whole and out of a marked circle, you can live. Too bad you're buried tied with a rope and shoulder high in the ground. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:38 CharlieMurphy wrote: Why is this guy getting caned 80 times? edit - Oh "It was unclear exactly what his offence had been as the country's strict morality laws cover many areas, but it was reported he had been convicted of abusing alcohol and having sex outside of marriage." Adultery is illegal over there. He is lucky he's a man, isn't it a death by stoning if it's a woman charged for the same? | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:41 NotSorry wrote: Adultery is illegal over there. He is lucky he's a man, isn't it a death by stoning if it's a woman charged for the same? Correct, men get punished a lot less severely. | ||
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:41 NotSorry wrote: Adultery is illegal over there. He is lucky he's a man, isn't it a death by stoning if it's a woman charged for the same? Correct. Women are punished even more severely. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
now we have a basis from which to judge the situation, it is not good, and certainly, when compared with other instances of human colonies, this particular one can be said to be possessed by certain ideas and customs that could be called contrary to the way humans are supposed to live; backward; unenlightened etc. | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:36 Element)LoGiC wrote: Photoshop circles around them. I WANNA SEE I only found two for sure, maybe three. Definitely not four. One of the masked men is too fat, the other one has potential. ![[image loading]](http://nandaba.net/pics/iran.jpg) | ||
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JiggaJay
United States86 Posts
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Storchen
Sweden4385 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11584 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:54 Storchen wrote: USA should turn IRan into parking lots. what would we use that parking lot for? | ||
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:55 CaucasianAsian wrote: what would we use that parking lot for? To put our hummers and F250 trucks on. | ||
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fuglyfrog
United States521 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:30 Kwark wrote: This is perhaps my biggest problem with modern liberals. While I consider myself a liberal democrat (ie committed to both liberal values and democracy) I find the apologism within modern liberalism absolutely astounding. The idea that all cultures are equal and should be respected equally is politically correct bullshit. This is a culture which hangs children for being gay. Tolerance is not the solution. The argument that it's 'just their culture' is both demeaning to their intelligence and to humanity as a whole. This is not a case in which each culture can learn something from the other and should be treated as equals. This is a cruel, repressive and downright vicious culture which we have evolved beyond in the western world. It is a blight on the conscience of our species and the sooner it is eradicated the better. It is nothing more than denial of human rights. Now take the Amish, they don't hurt anybody, it is simply a variation of lifestyle. And more importantly, they get the choice. That is a variation in culture I will respect. This, this is just barbarism. The existence of a culture which degenerates the human spirit this way is an insult to everything that humanity strives to become. My feelings agree with you, but I simply don't see how you can make this arguement. How can you judge what another culture can and cannot do, and what is right or not? First of all, we must look at this from an evolutionary standpoint. If a culture continues to grow in population, and can survive difficulties, how can it be wrong? For example, with ants, there are many workers. Some species in africa even kill themselves to make bridges across water, etc for the other ants. Do you say thats wrong, that ants shouldn't do that? If the Incas sacrificed virgins to the gods, but it helped keep the people working together and united, how can you say its wrong? I just can't see the line being drawn for tolerating some things but not others. The only thing you shouldn't tolerate is if it directly threatens your way of life (because then you would cease to grow in population). If any other measure is used, then it becomes an arbitrary judgement on your part. So you don't like them hanging people? Now you don't like then giving lashes? Maybe women have lower rights then men, can we also say that is wrong? Where do you draw the line? It seems to me that eventually you want them to live with exactly the same beliefs you have.....including tolerance. Its ok if they have a different religion, eat different foods, and basically do anything that you say is ok. They, having the same beliefs, should also tolerate your actions. However, if they don't posses the same tolerance as you (eg. they give lashes for things they don't tolerate), then they are wrong. It seems to me that tolerance is an all-or-nothing deal. You either tolerate everything unless it threatens you, or you clearly state the things that are and are not acceptable (even if a large number of things are acceptable). If you say "its ok as long as no one is physically hurt", then that is a stated limit. They may have a different opinion....you can either go to war about it or live with it. But they may also think (and do) that your culture is the shitty one. How can one culture be right and another be wrong? (if both have existed for thousands of years?) | ||
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Famehunter
Canada586 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:55 CaucasianAsian wrote: what would we use that parking lot for? Have sex with your girlfriend, what else do you think you can do in a parking lot !? | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:20 StripedBlueCrow wrote: Man receives 80 public lashings for drinking and having sex outside of marriage. Had it been a woman, she would have been killed. There was a story not long ago about a 16 year old girl sentenced to a public stoning for having sex with someone. | ||
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fuglyfrog
United States521 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:57 fight_or_flight wrote: My feelings agree with you, but I simply don't see how you can make this arguement. How can you judge what another culture can and cannot do, and what is right or not? First of all, we must look at this from an evolutionary standpoint. If a culture continues to grow in population, and can survive difficulties, how can it be wrong? For example, with ants, there are many workers. Some species in africa even kill themselves to make bridges across water, etc for the other ants. Do you say thats wrong, that ants shouldn't do that? If the Incas sacrificed virgins to the gods, but it helped keep the people working together and united, how can you say its wrong? I just can't see the line being drawn for tolerating some things but not others. The only thing you shouldn't tolerate is if it directly threatens your way of life (because then you would cease to grow in population). If any other measure is used, then it becomes an arbitrary judgement on your part. So you don't like them hanging people? Now you don't like then giving lashes? Maybe women have lower rights then men, can we also say that is wrong? Where do you draw the line? It seems to me that eventually you want them to live with exactly the same beliefs you have.....including tolerance. Its ok if they have a different religion, eat different foods, and basically do anything that you say is ok. They, having the same beliefs, should also tolerate your actions. However, if they don't posses the same tolerance as you (eg. they give lashes for things they don't tolerate), then they are wrong. It seems to me that tolerance is an all-or-nothing deal. You either tolerate everything unless it threatens you, or you clearly state the things that are and are not acceptable (even if a large number of things are acceptable). If you say "its ok as long as no one is physically hurt", then that is a stated limit. They may have a different opinion....you can either go to war about it or live with it. But they may also think (and do) that your culture is the shitty one. How can one culture be right and another be wrong? (if both have existed for thousands of years?) It does threaten me. I believe that every human should have certain rights, If another has these rights violated it violates me. For me, these claimed rights either apply to every human being or to no one, and if I condone that another's rights be violated I've forfeited any claims to these rights. I don't base this on ideas of right or wrong or some transcendental objective reality that dictates that it is so--I act according to my nature. And ultimately my concern for the rights of every human being is a selfish impulse because my protection depends on their protection. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
In all seriousness though. To all those who say "lets tolerate them." You wouldn't be saying this kind of stupidity if this were happening to you. Liberals make me laugh sometimes. You guys would be the first to be stoned to death if Islamic extremist were to rule your country. Crimes against humanity are far too common in Iran, but how can you change their minds? If they truly believe it's the right of the goverment to severely punish people in that form. This is more torture than punishment, however, they probably consider adultery as a very high sin. The whole policing the world thing comes to mind now. Only way to change their minds is to invade Iran. Basically because they have isolated themselves, they forbid foreigners from coming into their country and teach western culture, they forbid all religions outside of Islam, they lynch children and stone women to death. Again I ask. When will this all end? | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
On August 24 2007 07:57 fight_or_flight wrote: My feelings agree with you, but I simply don't see how you can make this arguement. How can you judge what another culture can and cannot do, and what is right or not? First of all, we must look at this from an evolutionary standpoint. If a culture continues to grow in population, and can survive difficulties, how can it be wrong? For example, with ants, there are many workers. Some species in africa even kill themselves to make bridges across water, etc for the other ants. Do you say thats wrong, that ants shouldn't do that? If the Incas sacrificed virgins to the gods, but it helped keep the people working together and united, how can you say its wrong? I just can't see the line being drawn for tolerating some things but not others. The only thing you shouldn't tolerate is if it directly threatens your way of life (because then you would cease to grow in population). If any other measure is used, then it becomes an arbitrary judgement on your part. So you don't like them hanging people? Now you don't like then giving lashes? Maybe women have lower rights then men, can we also say that is wrong? Where do you draw the line? It seems to me that eventually you want them to live with exactly the same beliefs you have.....including tolerance. Its ok if they have a different religion, eat different foods, and basically do anything that you say is ok. They, having the same beliefs, should also tolerate your actions. However, if they don't posses the same tolerance as you (eg. they give lashes for things they don't tolerate), then they are wrong. It seems to me that tolerance is an all-or-nothing deal. You either tolerate everything unless it threatens you, or you clearly state the things that are and are not acceptable (even if a large number of things are acceptable). If you say "its ok as long as no one is physically hurt", then that is a stated limit. They may have a different opinion....you can either go to war about it or live with it. But they may also think (and do) that your culture is the shitty one. How can one culture be right and another be wrong? (if both have existed for thousands of years?) This is just fucking stupid. Your basically saying that as long as it doesn't hurt YOU or YOUR people then they can keep killing each other llike pigs. As long as YOUR not affect from it then YOU won't give a crap. That is just selfish and racist. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On August 24 2007 08:14 Rev0lution wrote: This is fucking stupid. Your basically saying that as long as it dont hurt me or my people they can keep killing each other til they all die. As long as I stay away from it then I just dont give a crap. Your comment is selfish and racist. Like I said in the first 5 words of my post, I agree with you. I just don't understand how you can impose some beliefs on others but not other beliefs. | ||
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