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United States43061 Posts
On August 24 2007 12:09 Fab Abs wrote:
Well, in a nutshell:
1) crime and punishment re-affirms the moral boundaries of a society
2) the abhorrence of the crime strengthens in-group solidarity
Blaming the criminal (scape-goating) releases a social tension. In this case the 80 lashes is therapeutic for the on-looking men. They are teaching them what is right from wrong in THEIR society.
We can also say criminals are innovators because we learn from them.
Basic misconception there. Inventors are innovators. They invent things. Criminals break the law. They steal, destroy, rape, murder, cheat etc.
I personally don't find watching pain being inflicted therapeutic. I recommend you speak to someone about that.
Crime reaffirms moral boundaries? Bullshit. I don't need to read in the news that someone was raped to know rape is wrong. I don't need to have my stuff stolen to know that stealing is wrong. Even if it did, the cost of educating people on morality would be far less than the saving if there was no crime.
Group condemnation of a crime is not a useful method of bonding in society. While I agree it exists it exists to exactly the same extent as any other subject people can agree on. I could equally say "the sky is blue, the people agree it is blue, they feel a sense of solidarity through this".
In short, the costs of crime greatly outweigh the advantages of it which to be honest were pretty tenuous.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Kwark of course its wrong form our perspective. I too could post a endless list of photos showing human injustice but I preferred to just share my opinion rather than argue for the sake of arguing with everyone, most of which already agree with your values even though they taunt you. My point is that human injustice and human right abuse does not just happen in Iran, and that it is hard to judge another societies laws as wrong or unethical when civilized nations, by our standards, are doing equally worse shit, and I am not just talking about floggings or death penalty issues - thus I tried to add a wider perspective to the issue particularly to those that advocate nuking Iran (an even more barbaric measure).
- http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-children-eng
"The USA carried out 19 executions – more than any other country."
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=27&did=203#execsus
(but even the USA has moved forward on this issue, in 2005 their supreme court prohibited the death penalty in anyone below 18)
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i may not have such deep point of views as you guys, but i have some thoughts about the matter:
-first of all, yes the flogging might seem barbaric, but i might be ok on corporal punishment, after all, people doesnt understand through civilized way, but then again, should this be abused (propably would), we would live in a reing of terror. Public executions really make people frightened, which of course would reduce all crimes... remember vlad draculla times 
but of course, we have evolved, havent we?
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On August 24 2007 11:50 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2007 11:48 HeadBangaa wrote:
You have to accept that Americans find your antiquated spellings to be hilarious. You and Canada crack us up, really.
We export Hollywood, we can laugh at whoever we want. We find your entire society laughable. You're all so wound up about everything. The athiests are passionate athiests constantly watching for attacks on the separation of church and state. The gun lobby constantly fears that King George wants them to disarm. And you're all so damn proud of your constitution and your enshrined freedoms. If you all learnt to relax a little you'd not need any of it.
Good job getting defensive and saying something completely idiotic.
Thumbs up :D
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On August 24 2007 12:52 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2007 11:50 Kwark wrote:On August 24 2007 11:48 HeadBangaa wrote:
You have to accept that Americans find your antiquated spellings to be hilarious. You and Canada crack us up, really.
We export Hollywood, we can laugh at whoever we want. We find your entire society laughable. You're all so wound up about everything. The athiests are passionate athiests constantly watching for attacks on the separation of church and state. The gun lobby constantly fears that King George wants them to disarm. And you're all so damn proud of your constitution and your enshrined freedoms. If you all learnt to relax a little you'd not need any of it. Good job getting defensive and saying something completely idiotic. Thumbs up :D
Poor kwark....so much stress on his birthday. He shouldn't post at all tomorrow.
+ Show Spoiler +learnt i lol'd (firefox 2.0 flagged it as misspelled)
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Regarding the lashing and such, that seems totally ridiculous. I think what we should walk away from this with is a re-evaluation of what should be considered criminal acts, and why. Unless the guy actually caused harm to others, their property, or society, there's little reason to go nuts over it and lash him until his back turns into red jelly.
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On August 24 2007 16:15 fight_or_flight wrote:+ Show Spoiler +learnt i lol'd (firefox 2.0 flagged it as misspelled)
My sixth grade English teacher took a point off of one of my papers for using '"learnt" instead of "learned." What a fucking bitch.
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If its the same in America, ALL the dudes would have lashes and ALL the chicks would be dead. =/
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On August 24 2007 07:23 fight_or_flight wrote:
I call for tolerance in this thread of other cultures please.
It's not our culture , it's the god damned religion , and the regime who forces it upon people.
I feel so embarrassed :/
god damn the arabs who forced this shit on us 1300 years ago :/
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All countries suck except Belgium o.O :p
(ps im joking ... for the flamers out there)
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
all countries are as silly as another. some people are possessed by silly trends, however, and in certain places people treat their national constructs seriously, which makes them silly too.
all in all you find silly people much more frequently in america than in europe. america is pretty backward.
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Now would be the perfect time for ArmorVinc's 'AMERICA IS THE BACKBONE OF THE UNIVERSE' quote.
That's some wild shit though man.
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United States43061 Posts
On August 25 2007 00:39 Mindcrime wrote:My sixth grade English teacher took a point off of one of my papers for using '"learnt" instead of "learned." What a fucking bitch.
Indeed. Learnt is of course the correct English spelling with learned being the degenerate American version.
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On August 25 2007 03:57 oneofthem wrote:
all in all you find silly people much more frequently in america than in europe. america is pretty backward.
If that's the north korean perspective, I'll take it as a compliment.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
imagine what they'd do to people like me in iran. i'd be lashed until my back was gone!
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so this explains why theres not too much iranian porn
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On August 24 2007 08:41 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2007 07:48 StripedBlueCrow wrote:On August 24 2007 07:36 Element)LoGiC wrote:On August 24 2007 07:27 Mora wrote:
there's like 4 hot guys in that picture.
rock on. Photoshop circles around them. I WANNA SEE I only found two for sure, maybe three. Definitely not four. One of the masked men is too fat, the other one has potential. The one in the top left is a total badass.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On August 25 2007 04:11 HeadBangaa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2007 03:57 oneofthem wrote:
all in all you find silly people much more frequently in america than in europe. america is pretty backward. If that's the north korean perspective, I'll take it as a compliment. silliness. that's the martian perspective. it is not a hostile remark, just saying there are some pretty unprogressive areas in teh US. i lived in alabama and mississippi before, interacted wtih the local people and stuff.
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who cares about ppl in the middle east, let them do whatever they want think whatever they want
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