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On January 22 2022 10:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Look.... more conflict between the EEOC and DFEH. https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/7/22872861/california-dfeh-appeals-decision-activision-blizzard-settlement-eeocThe DFEH is appealing the judge's decision to disallow interference in the EEOC settlement. We're at 3.5 years now.. .and no end in sight. i'm not sure if we're waiting for godot or if this is a real life Franz Kafka novel. Show nested quote +On January 22 2022 09:53 NewSunshine wrote: Well, I'm glad this is all humorous to somebody. Had to be at least one. I guess that comes with the territory when you're not affected by anything going on in the least. Don't have to give a shit. All hail Bobby. The addle reporting is hilarious. As i've said, and as many blizz employees have already done... the best move for the aggrieved employees is to find other work. The DFEH is too busy squabbling with the EEOC to continue investigating whatever is going on. In this thread, you've managed to find plenty of energy for admonishing the Activision and Blizzard employees who are being abused, for arguing that the government can't possibly solve human rights problems such as in cases of sexual harassment and assault, for taking victory laps any time you see a headline that serves Activision Blizzard, for explaining to us why Bobby Kotick is a genius who inhabits a higher realm of existence, and more than anything, explaining to everyone why you're the smartest and most correct person in the room. You know what I've never seen? You admit or even acknowledge the possibility that Activision and Blizzard leadership have ever done anything wrong, at any point. Every single time you've been pressed on it, you veer off and blame the people who didn't leave their abusers before they got abused. You blame the victims.
What do you actually think of the leadership of Activision Blizzard? What they've done? Do you think they did anything wrong?
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In this thread I learned that everyone can just leave their job without having to worry about their finances during unemployment, retraining, having to relocate, travel distance, social connections, and a bunch of other things. There are literally no considerations other than being unemployed and having to find a new job, yes indeed. Totally
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On January 22 2022 13:22 Magic Powers wrote:In this thread I learned that everyone can just leave their job without having to worry about their finances during unemployment, retraining, having to relocate, travel distance, social connections, and a bunch of other things. There are literally no considerations other than being unemployed and having to find a new job, yes indeed. Totally  The software dev industry is not the federal government. It is not a job for life. In the software development industry ... moving from job to job is the norm. No one with whom I graduated is still at the job they obtained at graduation. Not one person. Most people leave to a better job every two years.
Also, this happens at the University of Waterloo every four months... for 5 years. If a university student can pull it off... I moved 10 times in 4.666 years and had 3 different full time jobs.... so did all my class mates.
This job hopping has been going on in the software dev industry since the 1970s. That is, back in the days of RPG3 and 6502 assembly language. Back then ... the employees who did this were called Yuppies.
So this is nothing new.... it is the norm for decades. Even if you have a great job and are in a great situation... if you have a chance to make more cash and learn some new skills on some emerging tech you go for it. If your job is garbage it makes the decision all that much easier.
I see you don't live in NA though so you might not be accustomed to the software dev work culture of NA.
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How is moving jobs because you want more cash, or a new technical challenge remotely comparable to having to move jobs because of harassment in your current gig?
You’re conflating moving around to progress your career if you want with being forced to because your employer can’t control their work environment
Not everyone wants to saunter around from pillar to post like Moses in the desert for decades, many may not have particularly high ambitions.
I’m not even sure such things are remotely the norm any days given how much the sector has expanded and how much gigs are regular jobs for folks with a sufficient degree or diligence rather than the preserve of rare wizards who could name their price.
Ultimately you’ll lose people who have unfulfilled ambitions, or want money you’re not willing to pay. It happens
Losing decent employees because of harassment you’re just pissing training and that institutional knowledge away with no upside at all
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Oh please, don't you know there's a very easy solution to everything and problems aren't actually real? You just need to get up and leave, it's the solution to every pro-- I mean there are no real problems, because there's always an easy solution. I don't understand people who don't always have an easy solution ready. Why are they like that?
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On January 22 2022 14:49 Magic Powers wrote: Oh please, don't you know there's a very easy solution to everything and problems aren't actually real? You just need to get up and leave, it's the solution to every pro-- I mean there are no real problems, because there's always an easy solution. I don't understand people who don't always have an easy solution ready. Why are they like that? If there's one thing I know about people it's that absolutely no one lives paycheck-to-paycheck, especially in America. Anyone can, at any time, quit their job on the spot to avoid a toxic work environment filled with harassment and spend the next couple months looking for a new job. Anyone can also uproot themselves at a moment's notice and move somewhere else without issue because money is no longer a problem and everyone has it so easy now! I can't believe anyone would ever think that a person getting harassed isn't doing it to themselves, I mean c'mon, just move to where the good jobs and healthy work environments are because you can always afford to do so at the drop of a hat and also those jobs are limitless! There's no such thing as a finite number of open positions. Every business that's great to their employees has an unlimited numbers of openings! So you'll have to excuse me if I don't feel for the "victims" who were "harassed" and "driven to suicide". They did it to themselves!
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On January 22 2022 13:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The software dev industry is not the federal government. It is not a job for life. In the software development industry ... moving from job to job is the norm. No one with whom I graduated is still at the job they obtained at graduation. Not one person. Most people leave to a better job every two years.
Also, this happens at the University of Waterloo every four months... for 5 years. If a university student can pull it off... I moved 10 times in 4.666 years and had 3 different full time jobs.... so did all my class mates.
This job hopping has been going on in the software dev industry since the 1970s. That is, back in the days of RPG3 and 6502 assembly language. Back then ... the employees who did this were called Yuppies.
So this is nothing new.... it is the norm for decades. Even if you have a great job and are in a great situation... if you have a chance to make more cash and learn some new skills on some emerging tech you go for it. If your job is garbage it makes the decision all that much easier.
I see you don't live in NA though so you might not be accustomed to the software dev work culture of NA. Isn't there this saying: times change? Maybe people are fed up with the culture you're describing and have dealt with all your life. Maybe this culture is fine for you, but isn't fine for the new generation of programmers. I think it's kind of sad that you can't see through the hardships people endure and just shrug your shoulders and go "just move on".
Here in the Benelux area (more a Dutch story, but has blown over to Belgium), there's this thing going on where women have spoken up because they were being harassed during a tv show (The Voice Holland), and the CEO of the endevour said: "why don't they just speak up, I didn't know about any of this? Or something likethat. Needless to say, he got a lot of flak for that, because it's so insenstivie to the situation at hand. But I don't think he'd understand why. I feel like you're kind of in the same boat, but with you it's that you've dealt with all the stuff and maybe had a thicker skin or whatever and now feel like everyone of those people is a special snowflake for complaining about their working conditions.
But here's the thing, you're a senior software developer with some clout. You have the experience and the leverage some of those people don't. You're a freelancer (iirc) and they are not. Freelancing <> working for big corpo is totally different. Not everyone has the leverage to tell their employers to fuck off. Not everyone wants/can uproot to move to a better place with better working conditions. Not everyone wants to. And that's perfectly fine. There's no one way to be a software developer.
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I've never seen a pro worker exploitation stance by someone but I guess you can't force people to care about the suffering of others if they would rather get paid more.
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On January 22 2022 12:38 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2022 10:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Look.... more conflict between the EEOC and DFEH. https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/7/22872861/california-dfeh-appeals-decision-activision-blizzard-settlement-eeocThe DFEH is appealing the judge's decision to disallow interference in the EEOC settlement. We're at 3.5 years now.. .and no end in sight. i'm not sure if we're waiting for godot or if this is a real life Franz Kafka novel. On January 22 2022 09:53 NewSunshine wrote: Well, I'm glad this is all humorous to somebody. Had to be at least one. I guess that comes with the territory when you're not affected by anything going on in the least. Don't have to give a shit. All hail Bobby. The addle reporting is hilarious. As i've said, and as many blizz employees have already done... the best move for the aggrieved employees is to find other work. The DFEH is too busy squabbling with the EEOC to continue investigating whatever is going on. What do you actually think of the leadership of Activision Blizzard? What they've done? Do you think they did anything wrong? I guess I got my answer.
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On January 23 2022 06:00 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2022 12:38 NewSunshine wrote:On January 22 2022 10:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Look.... more conflict between the EEOC and DFEH. https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/7/22872861/california-dfeh-appeals-decision-activision-blizzard-settlement-eeocThe DFEH is appealing the judge's decision to disallow interference in the EEOC settlement. We're at 3.5 years now.. .and no end in sight. i'm not sure if we're waiting for godot or if this is a real life Franz Kafka novel. On January 22 2022 09:53 NewSunshine wrote: Well, I'm glad this is all humorous to somebody. Had to be at least one. I guess that comes with the territory when you're not affected by anything going on in the least. Don't have to give a shit. All hail Bobby. The addle reporting is hilarious. As i've said, and as many blizz employees have already done... the best move for the aggrieved employees is to find other work. The DFEH is too busy squabbling with the EEOC to continue investigating whatever is going on. What do you actually think of the leadership of Activision Blizzard? What they've done? Do you think they did anything wrong? I guess I got my answer.
It's quite telling that he chose to ignore your post and go for one that was easier to respond to instead
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Microsoft's nearly $70 billion deal to buy Activision Blizzard could make it a leader in gaming. But it also risks creating a new headache for the tech giant in a key part of its operations: corporate culture.
For months, Activision Blizzard (ATVI) has been under pressure to overhaul its workplace culture. A July lawsuit from a California government agency alleged the gaming behemoth had enabled a "frat boy" culture and claimed leadership and human resources personnel had turned a blind eye to complaints raised by female employees. At the time, the company criticized the lawsuit as "distorted."
Now, in addition to acquiring the company behind such popular video games as Call of Duty and World of Warcraft, Microsoft (MSFT) could also inherit numerous workplace issues. Activision Blizzard employees have staged walkouts over what they see as its inadequate response to overhaul a toxic workplace and called for the resignation of the company's CEO, Bobby Kotick. And they've already pledged to continue advocating for changes under new ownership.
Beyond that, there's a group of employees at an Activision-owned studio pushing to unionize in a rare move for the industry. A union would be a first for the gaming company and for Microsoft's US-based employees. The effort was largely spurred by what the workers claim was a lack of transparency surrounding recent layoffs in their division. Some labor experts have also suggested the blockbuster deal could have a spillover effect by alienating some of Microsoft's own employees.
"It says that the profit motive trumps those potential liabilities," Y-Vonne Hutchinson, founder of inclusion consultancy firm ReadySet, told CNN Business. "It says, 'We're willing to bring on this company that has a ton of cultural problems — where there's rape allegations, where there's allegations of deeply entrenched gender discrimination, sexual harassment -— we're willing to bring that into the fold having it be unresolved.'"
Hutchinson, who is the author of the forthcoming book "How to Talk to Your Boss About Race," also called attention to the optics of Kotick potentially receiving a massive payout from the deal. Kotick now stands to make $390 million when the acquisition closes in Microsoft's 2023 fiscal year. (Kotick is reportedly expected to stay in his role until the deal goes through, and then step down.)
"That can be a discouraging message and one that doesn't feel rooted in values of inclusion," Hutchinson added.
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said culture is his "number one priority" as he stressed the importance of righting Activision Blizzard's workplace during a conference call last week discussing the acquisition. Microsoft is "supportive" of the work Activision Blizzard is doing, Nadella said, while also noting that once the deal is closed, Microsoft will have "significant work to do in order to continue to build a culture where everyone can do their best work."
"The success of this acquisition will depend on it," added Nadella.
Can Microsoft fix Activision's culture and preserve its own?
Before the deal was announced, Activision Blizzard had already been criticized for what workers and shareholders called an insufficient response to the issues surfaced in recent months.
Dieter Waizenegger, executive director of Strategic Organizing Center Investment Group, an activist shareholder in Activision Blizzard, joined workers in pressuring Kotick to resign along with some long standing board members who are up for renewal. Waizenegger said Kotick's removal is now "less pressing," but ensuring "a truly independent board that can oversee management" is incredibly important. (Activision Blizzard announced in November a "workplace responsibility committee," comprised of two independent directors, to oversee its progress on workplace culture improvements.)
He said the company has thus far seemed "to be very reluctant to even disclose its current efforts." He added: "The longer you let these problems fester, the more difficult it will be for Microsoft to fix them."
In a statement for this article, Activision Blizzard spokesperson Jessica Taylor said the company's "top priority" is "creating a workplace culture where everyone feels supported, safe, and welcome with the goal of becoming an industry leader in workplace excellence."
"Over the last several months, we've announced a number of impactful measures and commitments, but we know our work is far from done," the statement said.
Since the July lawsuit, Activision Blizzard has announced changes such as leadership shakeups, including the departures of its president and its head of human resources, adopted a "zero-tolerance harassment policy," expanded its employee relations and compliance teams, as well as said it will "waive" arbitration requirement for employees who wish to bring sexual harassment or discrimination claims in the future. It has agreed to pay out $18 million to settle a lawsuit with the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over sexual harassment and discrimination allegations, as well as promised a slew of updates it says are intended to "rebuild" employee trust.
Waizenegger noted that the hope is for Microsoft to "nudge it along" further. At the very least, he said, Microsoft should take some of the same measures it used to review its culture and policies after allegations of inappropriate workplace behavior by founder and former CEO Bill Gates recently surfaced from the 2000s. (CNN has not independently confirmed all of the allegations.)
Earlier this month, Microsoft's board said it had hired an outside law firm to conduct the review in response to an advisory shareholder resolution and that it planned to make the findings public. Activision Blizzard's leadership has said it hired WilmerHale, a corporate defense law firm known for union-busting, to conduct an investigation. Waizenegger said it is insufficient to "get to the root" of its issues.
Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer acknowledged the challenges when the acquisition was announced, stressing the importance of "treating every person with dignity and respect. ... We're looking forward to extending our culture of proactive inclusion to the great teams across Activision Blizzard."
Exactly how it plans to do so, however, is less clear. Microsoft declined to comment.
Hutchinson noted that Microsoft has to be especially careful in how it treats Activision Blizzard. Hutchinson said Activision Blizzard is likely to become a "marquee division within Microsoft" due to the popularity of its products but the first priority should be solving its cultural issues. Otherwise, she noted, Microsoft runs the risk of "doubling down financially and strategically on a problematic division."
By bringing on Activision, Microsoft could also open the door to harsher scrutiny of its own culture, following the wave of headlines about the Gates' allegations last year, and to renewed antitrust scrutiny after years of largely staying out of the spotlight. Moreover, Microsoft may have to contend with a different level of worker activism than it's accustomed to — and which may only continue to grow in the months ahead.
The group of workers at Activision Blizzard-owned studio Raven who are planning to unionize expressed dismay Tuesday that the gaming company didn't voluntarily recognize their union when given the opportunity. (Activision Blizzard spokesperson Jessica Taylor said in a statement that it "carefully reviewed and considered" the union request but the "the parties could not reach an agreement.") The workers will instead file a petition with the National Labor Relations Board to hold an election.
In one interview after the acquisition was announced, Microsoft's Spencer acknowledged he doesn't "have a lot of personal experience with unions." After a Twitter user pointed out this comment last week, an account representing an Activision worker group responded that it would "love to" acquaint him.
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As we've all learned time and time again, culture comes from the top. If your top is rotten, your company turns rotten. Microsoft's top are seemingly pretty reasonable, so it's fair to presume that it should be able to trickle down into Activision and Blizzard as well eventually. It could take a while tho. It takes time to revolve people in and out
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A lot of Microsoft employees who went to Blizzard were apparently super shitty, I doubt Microsoft will be all that great. ActiBlizz needs unionization and executive leadership purges.
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On January 28 2022 04:16 Zambrah wrote: A lot of Microsoft employees who went to Blizzard were apparently super shitty, I doubt Microsoft will be all that great. ActiBlizz needs unionization and executive leadership purges.
If they left Microsoft and joined a company with a shitty culture, then that kinda proves my point. Shitty attracts shitty
They should absolutely unionize tho. A non-shitty leadership would support that anyways
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I can never quite understand why some mergers are analysed by the DoJ and some by the FTC. What determines which agency gets to review the merger?
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“Charm” meaning “money spending” I’m sure.
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