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Northern Ireland25364 Posts
On January 19 2022 07:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2022 07:20 NewSunshine wrote:On January 19 2022 06:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 19 2022 02:25 Zambrah wrote:On January 19 2022 01:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:in the CNBC interview "Bobby" has got a can of Coke beside him. ROFLMAO. On January 19 2022 01:11 NewSunshine wrote:
This is a giant fuck you to everyone who moved, marched, and spoke up about the horrifying things that Blizzard and Activision were doing. Great news, everyone. And, the state of California was in the process of fucking over any possible "victims" by their silly legal over reach. California's DFEH is more interested in scoring big headlines than helping out average workers. Any how , the moral of this story is : don't rely on government bodies to improve your working life. Go out and unionize. Sorry, you had some nonsensical bullshit smeared there, I got rid of it for you. Nah, its common sense. Got a garbage job and are a skilled, talented, hard-working professional? Look for other work. It appears many are leaving for better work elsewhere. Good on them. https://www.gamedeveloper.com/culture/more-blizzard-employees-are-leaving-the-company-due-to-ongoing-crisis Jimmy, you seem to be missing the line that distinguishes between a job that sucks, and a job that violates your dignity and rights. But for all the sexual harassment, abuse, discrimination, and rape, I'd agree with your take. But unfortunately that stuff matters to people. and when the job violates your dignity it qualifies as a job that sucks. Thus, you look for different work. Just like Jennifer Gonzalez did. Just like many employees are currently doing right now. Over 100 construction workers died in Canada in the past 5 years. To them I say... if your construction site is dangerous.... start looking for different work right now. Again, ATVI is not the USSR. You can leave.
Construction is an industry inherently fraught with some risk to your person, of course negligent safety practices may enhance that risk.
Making vidya games is not a job that inherently comes with sexual harassment as part of the package.
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On January 19 2022 07:44 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2022 07:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 19 2022 07:20 NewSunshine wrote:On January 19 2022 06:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 19 2022 02:25 Zambrah wrote:On January 19 2022 01:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:in the CNBC interview "Bobby" has got a can of Coke beside him. ROFLMAO. On January 19 2022 01:11 NewSunshine wrote:
This is a giant fuck you to everyone who moved, marched, and spoke up about the horrifying things that Blizzard and Activision were doing. Great news, everyone. And, the state of California was in the process of fucking over any possible "victims" by their silly legal over reach. California's DFEH is more interested in scoring big headlines than helping out average workers. Any how , the moral of this story is : don't rely on government bodies to improve your working life. Go out and unionize. Sorry, you had some nonsensical bullshit smeared there, I got rid of it for you. Nah, its common sense. Got a garbage job and are a skilled, talented, hard-working professional? Look for other work. It appears many are leaving for better work elsewhere. Good on them. https://www.gamedeveloper.com/culture/more-blizzard-employees-are-leaving-the-company-due-to-ongoing-crisis Jimmy, you seem to be missing the line that distinguishes between a job that sucks, and a job that violates your dignity and rights. But for all the sexual harassment, abuse, discrimination, and rape, I'd agree with your take. But unfortunately that stuff matters to people. and when the job violates your dignity it qualifies as a job that sucks. Thus, you look for different work. Just like Jennifer Gonzalez did. Just like many employees are currently doing right now. Over 100 construction workers died in Canada in the past 5 years. To them I say... if your construction site is dangerous.... start looking for different work right now. Again, ATVI is not the USSR. You can leave. Construction is an industry inherently fraught with some risk to your person, of course negligent safety practices may enhance that risk. Making vidya games is not a job that inherently comes with sexual harassment as part of the package.
yes, and so do you wait 3+ years for the DFEH and EEOC to quit fighting with each other to address the issues or do you do what many Blizzard employees have already done and leave?
the DFEH and EEOC recently got admonished by a California judge for their continued infighting. This is after 3+ years of fucking bullshit. All while alleged victims and the accused twist in the wind. What a fucking joke.
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100 people over 5 years dead from possibly unavoidable accidents is not the same as all the people that get sexually harassed for less than no reason every year. That's why it's a shit metaphor, Jimmy. It's not an eventuality of doing business, it's behavior that should be landing the perpetrators in prison. Don't act like it's the same thing, it's slimey and disingenuous. One is an accident for no fault of anyone involved, with double-digit victims per year. The other is absolutely despicable, avoidable, and affects orders of magnitude more people. That's why it's a shit metaphor.
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On January 19 2022 07:54 NewSunshine wrote:
100 people over 5 years dead from possibly unavoidable accidents is not the same as all the people that get sexually harassed for less than no reason every year. That's why it's a shit metaphor, Jimmy. It's not an eventuality of doing business, it's behavior that should be landing the perpetrators in prison. Don't act like it's the same thing, it's slimey and disingenuous. One is an accident for no fault of anyone involved, with double-digit victims per year. The other is absolutely despicable, avoidable, and affects orders of magnitude more people. That's why it's a shit metaphor.
You're speculating. You should check the facts. Ontario construction sites are rife with violations. It is absolutely despicable. People are dying and suffering life changing injuries due to workplace safety violations.
https://nationalpost.com/posted-toronto/ontario-building-sites-rife-with-violations-report
I think Canadian Nurses and Ontario Construction workers face far more harsh circumstances than California video game employees. I sympathize with all of these people. They should do what millions do every week. Look for different work. Government agencies won't improve their working lives. Just look at what the EEOC and DFEH have done so far... and its been 3 years.
After 3 years a California judge must set the DFEH and EEOC straight...
This is a bit unseemly. I feel like I should sent the two of you to a mediator, never mind Activision getting involved in this. You apparently have been working well together for a very long time, and you'll have to be working well together in the future. It seems like not only the defendant but also some of these employees and former employees are going to get caught in the middle here and that's not appropriate
So my common sense approach of looking for work elsewhere ... an approach that tens of millions follow every week... an approach that has caused an exodus from Blizzard .... works. Waiting for the government is a bad bet.
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I love your take is "why bother trying to fix the issue when you can just make it someone else's issue."
You do realize that just leaving a toxic workplace is going to inflict more harm on all the incoming employees that are going to replace you? The kind of self centeredness masquerading in the anti-work movement of mass resignations is a sign that the government refuses to enforce the rules on companies that it should be doing to protect people.
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On January 19 2022 08:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2022 07:54 NewSunshine wrote:
100 people over 5 years dead from possibly unavoidable accidents is not the same as all the people that get sexually harassed for less than no reason every year. That's why it's a shit metaphor, Jimmy. It's not an eventuality of doing business, it's behavior that should be landing the perpetrators in prison. Don't act like it's the same thing, it's slimey and disingenuous. One is an accident for no fault of anyone involved, with double-digit victims per year. The other is absolutely despicable, avoidable, and affects orders of magnitude more people. That's why it's a shit metaphor. You're speculating. You should check the facts. Ontario construction sites are rife with violations. It is absolutely despicable. People are dying and suffering life changing injuries due to workplace safety violations. https://nationalpost.com/posted-toronto/ontario-building-sites-rife-with-violations-reportI think Canadian Nurses and Ontario Construction workers face far more harsh circumstances than California video game employees. I sympathize with all of these people. They should do what millions do every week. Look for different work. Government agencies won't improve their working lives. Just look at what the EEOC and DFEH have done so far... and its been 3 years. After 3 years a California judge must set the DFEH and EEOC straight... Show nested quote +This is a bit unseemly. I feel like I should sent the two of you to a mediator, never mind Activision getting involved in this. You apparently have been working well together for a very long time, and you'll have to be working well together in the future. It seems like not only the defendant but also some of these employees and former employees are going to get caught in the middle here and that's not appropriate So my common sense approach of looking for work elsewhere ... an approach that tens of millions follow every week... an approach that has caused an exodus from Blizzard .... works. Waiting for the government is a bad bet.
I was assuming it was unavoidable for the sake of argument. Thank you for clarifying that neither of the two things in your shitty comparison are acceptable.
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On January 19 2022 08:17 Sermokala wrote:
I love your take is "why bother trying to fix the issue when you can just make it someone else's issue."
You do realize that just leaving a toxic workplace is going to inflict more harm on all the incoming employees that are going to replace you? The kind of self centeredness masquerading in the anti-work movement of mass resignations is a sign that the government refuses to enforce the rules on companies that it should be doing to protect people.
So, I remain at my dangerous job where workplace violations are occurring every week? Nah, I think I'll leave.
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On January 19 2022 08:17 Sermokala wrote:
I love your take is "why bother trying to fix the issue when you can just make it someone else's issue."
You do realize that just leaving a toxic workplace is going to inflict more harm on all the incoming employees that are going to replace you? The kind of self centeredness masquerading in the anti-work movement of mass resignations is a sign that the government refuses to enforce the rules on companies that it should be doing to protect people.
Why bother fixing any problems when we can point to people who have it worse, and tell them they're to blame for the toxic situation they're in because they didn't leave sooner? Hooray for victim blaming.
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On January 19 2022 08:23 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2022 08:17 Sermokala wrote:
I love your take is "why bother trying to fix the issue when you can just make it someone else's issue."
You do realize that just leaving a toxic workplace is going to inflict more harm on all the incoming employees that are going to replace you? The kind of self centeredness masquerading in the anti-work movement of mass resignations is a sign that the government refuses to enforce the rules on companies that it should be doing to protect people. Why bother fixing any problems when we can point to people who have it worse, and tell them they're to blame for the toxic situation they're in because they didn't leave sooner? Hooray for victim blaming.
Just to clarify, the victims of the DFEH//EEOC infighting include the accused and some ATVI employees.
They continue to twist in the wind after 3.5 years of "investigating".
This whole thing is like a bad Franz Kafka novel.
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On January 19 2022 08:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2022 08:17 Sermokala wrote:
I love your take is "why bother trying to fix the issue when you can just make it someone else's issue."
You do realize that just leaving a toxic workplace is going to inflict more harm on all the incoming employees that are going to replace you? The kind of self centeredness masquerading in the anti-work movement of mass resignations is a sign that the government refuses to enforce the rules on companies that it should be doing to protect people. So, I remain at my dangerous job where workplace violations are occurring every week? Nah, I think I'll leave.
You are supposed to be protected from that dangerous job and should have an interest in the safety of your fellow workers. Constantly transiting from job to job and never having a care to fix the problems that keep coming up only benefits the companies to continue these damaging practices.
Do you think you are the only person at that dangerous job or that no one will ever work at that dangerous job again?
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https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/bobby-kotick-considered-buying-game-sites-kotaku-and-pc-gamer-its-claimed/
Peak capitalism, "I want to change the narrative around my shitty company, so instead of maybe doing something about the shittiness Ill just buy the press lolol," god I hate it here, lol. Solving problems by throwing money around instead of actually bothering to solve the fucking problem.
“Mr Kotick has been eager to change the public narrative about the company, and in recent weeks has suggested Activision Blizzard make some kind of acquisition, including of gaming-trade publications like Kotaku and PC Gamer, according to people familiar with him,” the report reads.
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Microsoft Corp.’s planned acquisition of Activision Blizzard Inc. will come with an unexpected and perhaps unwelcome addition: a small group of unionized workers.
About three dozen people who work for an Activision-owned studio agreed to form the Game Workers Alliance Union, representatives for the group said Friday. They asked Activision to voluntarily recognize their union status. It would be the first union at a publicly traded video game publisher.
The group is composed of 34 quality assurance testers at Activision’s Raven Software, a team responsible for ensuring new content for Call of Duty games runs smoothly and without errors. It’s part of the Communications Workers of America, the largest union in the media industry.
For years, people from across the video game industry have proposed organizing as a solution to unhealthy work environments. Burnout is a prevalent issue in gaming, brought on by a culture of overwork, sexism and little job security. Employers have not embraced workers’ flirtations with unionizing, but last month, employees of a small independent studio called Vodeo Games became the first to organize in North America.
Activision has been mired in scandal since California sued the company last summer for claims of sexual harassment and discrimination. Workers at the company began handing out union cards last month, triggering a warning from management that employees should “take time to consider the consequences of your signature on the binding legal document presented to you.”
Workers at Activision’s Raven Software went on strikes starting Dec. 6 in protest of the company’s intent to dismiss a dozen contract testers. Quality assurance testers are generally paid the least of any game developers and are sometimes treated as disposable. At Raven, testers are frequently asked to work overtime and have talked of going nights and weekends for months straight.
Microsoft said this week that it will acquire Activision for $68.7 billion. Unionization at big tech companies like Microsoft is rare. When a 38-person group of Microsoft bug testers organized in 2014, the company eventually dismissed them.
At Activision, management hasn’t acknowledged the Raven strike or responded to the workers’ requests, representatives for the Game Workers Alliance Union said.
“It’s extremely important that workers have a real seat at the table to positively shape the company going forward,” Brent Reel, quality assurance lead at Raven, said in a statement.
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Fuck yea, go Raven! Make Kotick's legacy into having been so bad he got the games industry to unionize!
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lots of misreporting today. LOL.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2022-01-21-call-of-duty-qa-workers-vote-to-unionize
This is incorrect. There was no vote. Union cards were passed around and people signed their names. A vote is anonymous. There has been no vote.
Kotaku, and Schreier and all the usual suspects in the "gaming journalism" space jumped the gun on this one.
Furthermore, the NLRB generally frowns upon micro-units forming a union when they do not have unique interests apart from all the other employees.
So ya. To all those sloppy, lazy thinking game journos that totally fucked this story into the ground ...thanks for the laughs
On another humourous note: after all this yapping on twitter and all the grievances of all the alleged war crimes against humanity going on at ATVI and all they could get was a few people in a unit of 34 to sign union cards? So , that's like what? 26 out of 10,000 that signed union cards? 
TL;DR: 26 people signed union cards. This is one small step forward to forming a union. There are still 10 hurdles to jump. The CWA is trying to claim they are part of a proper bargaining unit and are begging ATVI to recognize the group as a union. Any one care to to guess the probability that ATVI recognizes these coupla dozen people as a union? I'll give everyone a clue: its a round, even number.
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Well, I'm glad this is all humorous to somebody. Had to be at least one. I guess that comes with the territory when you're not affected by anything going on in the least. Don't have to give a shit. All hail Bobby.
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Northern Ireland25364 Posts
People not just bending over and receiving Bobby Kotick’s divine appendage is something to be laughed at, what fools!
Didn’t you hear about Bobby’s latest bit of genius where he ‘apparently’ mismanaged a harassment scandal so badly that the company ended up bought out?
Absolute, genius i tells ya. Did I ever tell you the story of how he built Activision up 30 years ago? Because I will, I absolutely will.
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Look.... more conflict between the EEOC and DFEH.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/7/22872861/california-dfeh-appeals-decision-activision-blizzard-settlement-eeoc
The DFEH is appealing the judge's decision to disallow interference in the EEOC settlement.
We're at 3.5 years now.. .and no end in sight. i'm not sure if we're waiting for godot or if this is a real life Franz Kafka novel.
On January 22 2022 09:53 NewSunshine wrote:
Well, I'm glad this is all humorous to somebody. Had to be at least one. I guess that comes with the territory when you're not affected by anything going on in the least. Don't have to give a shit. All hail Bobby.
The addle reporting is hilarious. As i've said, and as many blizz employees have already done... the best move for the aggrieved employees is to find other work. The DFEH is too busy squabbling with the EEOC to continue investigating whatever is going on.
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