EPTIt gets really confusing when you have an Iranian controlled and backed army in a different country.
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Billyboy
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It gets really confusing when you have an Iranian controlled and backed army in a different country. | ||
KwarK
United States44393 Posts
On April 09 2026 00:17 Billyboy wrote: Was Irans proxies part of the ceasefire? I thought it was just Iran proper. It gets really confusing when you have an Iranian controlled and backed army in a different country. Iran says yes, Israel says no. But Iran says the strait is still closed (open only to ships they permit) and Iran is still firing missiles at the UAE. If I didn’t know better I’d say this whole 2 week ceasefire before the final final final final warning that was declared an hour before the deadline on the final final final warning was just a play for time. | ||
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pmp10
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On April 09 2026 00:17 Billyboy wrote: Was Irans proxies part of the ceasefire? I thought it was just Iran proper. There are conflicting accounts on that one. Most likely both sides heard what they wanted to, we will have to see in practice how far they are willing to push their interpretation. But it seems very unlikely that Iran accepted having its 'axis' broken-up. That would be the first step to genuine containment. | ||
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Billyboy
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Trumps quote: “Yeah, they were not included in the deal,” Trump told PBS News Hour in a phone call this morning. “Because of Hezbollah. They were not included in the deal. That’ll get taken care of too. It’s alright.” | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10014 Posts
On April 09 2026 00:46 Billyboy wrote: It’s not from a reliable source, because everything Trump says can change on a whim, but he says Hezbollah not included. Them being out of Lebanon would actually be a small silver lining. Sucks for the Lebanese to be in a constant state of war because of a proxy army. I mean they might be anyway, but at least it would be there choice not Irans. Trumps quote: I would be more inclined to believe Iran than Trump based on their previous communications with the Western public. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1826 Posts
On April 09 2026 00:39 KwarK wrote: Iran says yes, Israel says no. But Iran says the strait is still closed (open only to ships they permit) and Iran is still firing missiles at the UAE. If I didn’t know better I’d say this whole 2 week ceasefire before the final final final final warning that was declared an hour before the deadline on the final final final warning was just a play for time. I saw 0 reports of Iran lobbing missiles at anyone since the announcement from yesterday, do you have a source on this claim? | ||
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Billyboy
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On April 09 2026 01:12 Jockmcplop wrote: I would be more inclined to believe Iran than Trump based on their previous communications with the Western public. What’s Iran saying about Hezbollah? | ||
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KwarK
United States44393 Posts
On April 09 2026 01:29 Jankisa wrote: I saw 0 reports of Iran lobbing missiles at anyone since the announcement from yesterday, do you have a source on this claim? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/4/8/uae-kuwait-bahrain-report-attacks-despite-iran-us-ceasefire Kuwait also said its air defences were intercepting a wave of Iranian drones launched since 8am (05:00 GMT), according to its army. Kuwait’s Defence Ministry said in a statement that its air defence systems responded to “intense hostile Iranian attacks,” adding that a total of 28 drones were dealt with. “Kuwaiti armed forces intercepted a large number of drones, some of which targeted vital oil installations and power stations in the south of the country,” it added. Kuwait’s Interior Ministry reported “severe material damage” at several vital facilities of the Kuwait Petroleum Corporation and the energy and water resources ministry after the attack. Ceasefire was at 0:00 GMT. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1826 Posts
On April 09 2026 02:43 KwarK wrote: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/4/8/uae-kuwait-bahrain-report-attacks-despite-iran-us-ceasefire Ceasefire was at 0:00 GMT. OK, given that Iranian communications are very difficult, I think those can safely be scratched to "command and control" issues and some units hidden and cut off from the central command letting a salvo go since it was agreed upon before a word of ceasefire could reach them. Very much different from Israel doing the hardest (and unannounced) strikes in the center of Beirut, 12 + hours after the announcement. | ||
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KwarK
United States44393 Posts
On April 09 2026 03:15 Jankisa wrote: OK, given that Iranian communications are very difficult, I think those can safely be scratched to "command and control" issues and some units hidden and cut off from the central command letting a salvo go since it was agreed upon before a word of ceasefire could reach them. Very much different from Israel doing the hardest (and unannounced) strikes in the center of Beirut, 12 + hours after the announcement. Ceasefire never actually started. It was invented to give Trump political cover to extend his deadline another 2 weeks. | ||
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pmp10
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Israel was just expected to lower the fighting intensity. That's one very tough condition for Iran to accept prestige-wise, even if taxing the straights becomes accepted. | ||
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KwarK
United States44393 Posts
On April 09 2026 05:42 pmp10 wrote: Vance just clarified that ceasefire doesn't cover Lebanon, or at least as far as US is concerned. Israel was just expected to lower the fighting intensity. That's one very tough condition for Iran to accept prestige-wise, even if taxing the straights becomes accepted. The ceasefire doesn’t exist. It never did. With an hour left before his latest deadline expired Trump seized Iran’s maximalist demand and declared that it was a workable basis for negotiations and therefore he wasn’t going to carry out his ultimatum. That’s all. Just the latest in a long line of making threats and backing down. From Iran’s perspective Trump TACOing once again and declaring he’d like to talk about surrendering to them is worthy of a pause in missiles at Israel but not worth opening the strait over. There’s no ceasefire agreement, that’s why everyone insists that it means different things. The only common thread is that Trump isn’t carrying out his threats (for another 2 weeks). | ||
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Billyboy
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They are wide apart in talks. Lebanon demands a ceasefire for legitimate talks, Netanyahu says they will continue until agreement made. Which makes it seem hard to ever get started. Israel’s demands seem pretty reasonable from 10,000 feet, they are Hezbollah disarming and a conclusion of a historic peace agreement. Even if agreed, Lebanon hasn’t had any success (or the UN) in disarming Hezbollah. And Israel is likely going to demand a “buffer” zone for some length of time or even indefinitely. Long way to peace, but good they are making the first actual step. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10014 Posts
On April 14 2026 22:04 Billyboy wrote: Israel and Lebanon are having their first direct talks in 40 years. Wild it’s been that long for neighbours. They are wide apart in talks. Lebanon demands a ceasefire for legitimate talks, Netanyahu says they will continue until agreement made. Which makes it seem hard to ever get started. Israel’s demands seem pretty reasonable from 10,000 feet, they are Hezbollah disarming and a conclusion of a historic peace agreement. Even if agreed, Lebanon hasn’t had any success (or the UN) in disarming Hezbollah. And Israel is likely going to demand a “buffer” zone for some length of time or even indefinitely. Long way to peace, but good they are making the first actual step. I wonder what it is about Israel that makes them absolutely refuse to stop killing people for any reason at all. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3380 Posts
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Billyboy
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On April 14 2026 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote: I wonder what it is about Israel that makes them absolutely refuse to stop killing people for any reason at all. What a low content hateful post. Do better. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On April 14 2026 22:49 Billyboy wrote: What a low content hateful post. Do better. You have had years of self reflection after your staunch defense of Israel's actions past 7th October for a long time until you just had to shut up because what everyone told you from the start was, surprise surprise, what It was fucking happening. But still, with a different nickname, you come here to complain about people's completely justified contempt of recent Israel's actions. Get a grip. | ||
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Billyboy
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If you don’t understand that Hezbollah being disarmed is a huge win for Lebanon and the Lebanese people you don’t understand remotely the conflict or reason. You are just down the rabbit hole of hate and are the ignorant hateful person you claim to hate. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12589 Posts
On April 14 2026 22:23 LightSpectra wrote: Trump might be the last virulently pro-Israel POTUS, so Netanyahu is probably thinking he should grab everything not nailed to floor before the opportunity passes. This is a large part of it yeah, pressing on their advantage to further their real goal of land expansion as much as possible. Also Netanyahu is 76, I'm sure he is invested in maxing out his kill count of Arabs before he pops off. | ||
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Billyboy
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On April 14 2026 23:24 Nebuchad wrote: This is a large part of it yeah, pressing on their advantage to further their real goal of land expansion as much as possible. Also Netanyahu is 76, I'm sure he is invested in maxing out his kill count of Arabs before he pops off. He should learn from the Iranians they killed more civilians in 2 weeks than he did in a year. And the Iranians did it without bombs! | ||
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