Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 452

On July 16 2025 23:54 Jankisa wrote:
So, how are we feeling about this, latest escalation?

I'll start, I fucking hate it, but that's not new, I have been firmly on the de-escalation train since about November 2023.

I guess, for me, the thing that bothers me the most is that Israel has absolute disregard for the well being of their neighbors, specifically their civilian populations. Why can't Syrian people, who now have a flawed government, but one that compared to Assad's seems like heaven have a respite from war and tragedy?

So Israel can have their "buffer"? Where is the line? Is there a line?

How fucked and feckless is EU to, despite it's best interests being stopping all of this wanton aggression from Israel they keep offering incredibly tepid criticism while they sell arms to them, and all that after the Syrian refugee crisis created incredible political turmoil all over the continent that is still ongoing.

The Israeli justifications are thinner and thinner, less believable by the day, in all cases, from Iranian nuclear program that only they deem as an emergency to now protecting a minority by bombing a sovereign capital and the presidential palace in it. For Gaza they aren't even trying to make up excuses and justifications, just "Hamas must be destroyed" on repeat and move on.

And then, when all of this shit blows up in their faces 2-5-10 years later it's another excuse for another round of escalations and aggression, jesus fuckign christ, I hope people of Israel (because obviously no one else is willing to stop them) can finally get out on the streets and get this mad fucking dog Nethanahu and his merry band of radicals out so some chance for peace exists.

On July 17 2025 01:06 Jockmcplop wrote:

I'd be careful what you say, Israel might declare war on you and bomb you for a few months.

On July 17 2025 01:24 Broetchenholer wrote:
Honestly, I do not have enough information on the situation in Syria to offer an opinion. But it feels phony, because the articles written about it dance around the issue like hell. They write what Israel does and what they say to legitimize the attacks but at no point are they telling the reader that this legitimizing action actually took place. Under each atrocity committed by the idf reported by Tagesschau, the reporting had a sentence that the current war was caused by the 7th attack, killing 1200, etc. Here, this factual but moralizing statement is missing, so I guess they are just really really unsure whether protecting the druze from Syria is bullshit.

On July 17 2025 01:32 Jankisa wrote:


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This is Israel doing shit, but unfortunately, you don't seem to understand that there are nations in the world that can fuck shit up on their own just fine without the "empires" being behind it. It+ Show Spoiler +.

On July 17 2025 02:50 GreenHorizons wrote:

I mean sure, but Israel's pretty dependent on the US (bipartisanly) providing both the diplomatic and military defenses that are enabling them to keep doing their "expansionist bullshit", aka their version of Manifest Destiny.

On July 17 2025 03:01 KwarK wrote:

US aid to Israel is about 1/7th of its defence budget. If cut off it might change how Israel fights wars but it won’t change that Israel fights wars.

On July 17 2025 01:44 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Syria/s/TkOW5rbm3l

Summary from the Syrian subreddit.

On July 17 2025 04:08 Broetchenholer wrote:

That post is pretty heavily discussed and certainly not neutral. I think the government forces have a lot of trouble to leave their religious zealot militia time behind them. Just as they were committing some atrocities in the alawit areas a few month back and the druze might rightfully fear letting them into their stronghold, especially if they were allied to Assad. It doesn't make the Israeli bombing any more legitimate though, if you don't care about Assad killing hundreds of thousands in the north of Syria but start bombing the new government as soon as "your people" are targeted, you are not a peacekeeper, you are an unmoral asshole.

On July 17 2025 01:32 Jankisa wrote:
Your utter inability to view whatever is happening in the world through anything other then the myopic "USA Bad" lens really tiring.

This is Israel doing shit, but unfortunately, you don't seem to understand that there are nations in the world that can fuck shit up on their own just fine without the "empires" being behind it. It's the same reason why you don't seem to understand that Ukraine can do a revolution on it's own and that Russia can have their own reasons for invasion that have nothing to do with the USA.

This is a thread about the situation in the ME, mostly about Palestine but all things related to Israel's expansionist bullshit, if you want to agitate with your edgy bullshit about USA you can do that in the USA politics thread.

On July 17 2025 05:46 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:


Sure, I said as much in my first post. The new government does not have control over all their forces.
However it's been 6 months and even if the situation on the ground is far from optimal it's pretty clear that the government is doing what they can and is doing quite well considering. This particular druze group has been a problem since day 1. The reddit post might be partial but most of the facts are true and I've seen the discussions over time.
What Israel is doing now is backing a rebel faction with air support (possibly other support too?). Why? Because they want the current government to fail.
100% if al-Hirji didn't have Israeli support they wouldn't be attacking security forces. The HTS (before they disbanded) didn't attack before Israels "red lines" and they haven't attacked the other druze factions either. It's not until the situation escalated locally that they had to try to step in and it wouldn't have if for example they could have secured the roads before.

On July 17 2025 06:45 Nebuchad wrote:


On this topic USA is bad, though, this is true. Israel would never be able to do what it's doing without US support.

On July 17 2025 08:54 Billyboy wrote:

I think the reason they are supporting them is to help control the routes into Lebanon from Iran to keep Hezbollah weakened. Since they took the mountain (I forget the name) the rockets going into Israel have almost stopped and I think that is also the reason that Hezbollah was unable to do anything when Israel attacked Iran.

@Broetchenholer well I agree that I do not think the IDF is supporting the Druze out of the kindness of their hearts, the situation now is completely different then when Assad had Syria. Hezbollah was a real threat right outside their boarder, Hamas was there to cause problems, Syria was supported by Russia including Russian bases (back when the world thought that was a big deal), Iran was full power as well. They now can do things with very little risk that before would have caused a massive war that at the very least would have damaged them greatly.

Hell they might not even exist and Iran might control most of the Middle East by now.

On July 17 2025 09:23 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:


The current government hates both Iran and Hezbollah and have done more than anyone to prevent weapons coming in from Iran.
You just want some reason to believe Israel is doing something for the right reason. Meanwhile you have the former MI6 boss on CNN stating that the reason Israel is doing this is to keep Syria weak and divided, the Israeli minister of national security today saying Al Shara should be killed and new airstrikes in Latakia (the coast, Alawite areas) which has absolutely nothing to do with the druze in the south.
And US intelligence saying that it doesn't seem like government forces are behind attacks on druze civilians.
Not even Israeli propaganda are mentioning weapons to Hezbollah because they are all in on the "we have to protect the druze" since it's a minority group that is well liked in Israel. Problem of course being most of them absolutely don't want more war and they support the new goverment.
Wake up.

I agree that I do not think the IDF is supporting the Druze

You just want some reason to believe Israel is doing something for the right reason.

On July 17 2025 09:28 Billyboy wrote:

Where did I say it was good? And I said "I think". So fuck you, I'm so sick of trying to talk to anyone and having to deal with kind of shitty reply.

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The strawman are out of control.

On July 17 2025 15:52 Jankisa wrote:


Maybe if every time Israel does something escalatory you didn't come to this thread to explain to us how it's OK while offering no criticism of them people wouldn't point out that this is what you are doing?

You don't get to play lawyer for Nethyanahu's regime and then be outraged when people call you out. That's not a strawman, that's just people looking at what you do and pointing it out.

On July 17 2025 22:28 Jankisa wrote:
It's not hard to categorize people on this issue, you might think of yourself as neutral but your instincts are, every time, be it because of your media diet or inherent biases to, after some new developments like this one happen come here and provide explanations for Israel's actions that frame them as pragmatic and reasonable.

It's a pattern, another pattern is that you get very annoyed when people point this out.

My speculation is that's because deep down you feel that you are on the wrong side of history here and that's why calling you out on it gets such a strong emotional response.