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On April 19 2024 01:08 JimmiC wrote:
See above, and also, "this specific genocidal onslaught". ROLF. Super scary sounding words, terrible definition. At some point you are going ot have to come to terms that you can't have a huge power disparity and a unsuccessful genocide.
I understand that his bloodlust will never be satisfied but I think even Netanyahu smiles a little bit when he thinks of the at least 40k people he got killed this time, you shouldn't be this pessimistic
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On April 19 2024 04:25 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 03:14 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 01:08 JimmiC wrote:
See above, and also, "this specific genocidal onslaught". ROLF. Super scary sounding words, terrible definition. At some point you are going ot have to come to terms that you can't have a huge power disparity and a unsuccessful genocide.
I understand that his bloodlust will never be satisfied but I think even Netanyahu smiles a little bit when he thinks of the at least 40k people he got killed this time, you shouldn't be this pessimistic I noticed you avoided responding to Kwark probably smart since it would not go well for you. But it does get more and more pathetic that you have to go for personal attacks because your logic is so weak. The Russian propaganda has really left you a shell of your former self.
I did not see Kwark's message that you're referencing here, where was it?
I did however see that just about every single one of your recent posts has a personal attack in them so it's interesting that you feel that way about personal attacks
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On April 19 2024 04:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 04:39 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:25 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 03:14 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 01:08 JimmiC wrote:
See above, and also, "this specific genocidal onslaught". ROLF. Super scary sounding words, terrible definition. At some point you are going ot have to come to terms that you can't have a huge power disparity and a unsuccessful genocide.
I understand that his bloodlust will never be satisfied but I think even Netanyahu smiles a little bit when he thinks of the at least 40k people he got killed this time, you shouldn't be this pessimistic I noticed you avoided responding to Kwark probably smart since it would not go well for you. But it does get more and more pathetic that you have to go for personal attacks because your logic is so weak. The Russian propaganda has really left you a shell of your former self. I did not see Kwark's message that you're referencing here, where was it? I did however see that just about every single one of your recent posts has a personal attack in them so it's interesting that you feel that way about personal attacks Just responses to yours mate. Show nested quote +On April 17 2024 00:25 KwarK wrote:On April 16 2024 23:54 Salazarz wrote:On April 16 2024 22:15 JimmiC wrote:On April 16 2024 22:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
When I talk about doing the necessary work of utilizing organized civil disobedience to disrupt the ability for the US to aid and abet genocide unimpeded, this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. It's got nothing to do with "lesser evilism" electoralism.
imo Democrats need to dig deep, find their humanity, and organize their own campaigns of civil disobedience to disrupt the US's ongoing support of Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign (or at least reconcile their complicity with their worldview/self-image).
I’d rather they picked a more black and white issue like China completely trying to erase multiple cultures from existence. But with China being totalitarian the news does not make it out in the same way, and with the main sources of propaganda being Chinese allies we are never going to see it. Not to mention China being the backbone of global consumerism. Nice to see people using their right to protest. Also, really nice to see the democratic countries letting it happen. Imagine the blood shed if it happened in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, so on. It is important when all you read are negatives about these big democracies to take a step back and look at them comparatively and realize that while there is a ton of work to be done, they are SO SO much better than a dictatorship no matter the branding. Yeah, I'm sure all the dead, displaced, and starving Palestinians feel much better about their situation knowing that it's a democracy that is doing those things to them. It’s mostly Hamas doing it to them. Just like it wasn’t the Allies fucking up Nazi Germany, it was the Nazis who decided to try picking a fight with the rest of the world. We attempt to hold Israel to a higher standard because we can’t hold Hamas to any standard at all, but it’s important to remember that Israel isn’t responsible for the situation in Gaza today. Gaza was seized by a radical religious death cult that wants Israel to kill Gazans.
Ok, I disagree with Kwark's assessment of the situation.
A lot of the personal attacks in your posts weren't directed at me so they can't be responses to mine, and on top of that I (as usual) only talk to you when you talk to me so they can even less be responses to mine. Looks like that's mostly a you problem, sorry.
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On April 19 2024 04:52 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:40 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:39 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:25 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 03:14 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 01:08 JimmiC wrote:
See above, and also, "this specific genocidal onslaught". ROLF. Super scary sounding words, terrible definition. At some point you are going ot have to come to terms that you can't have a huge power disparity and a unsuccessful genocide.
I understand that his bloodlust will never be satisfied but I think even Netanyahu smiles a little bit when he thinks of the at least 40k people he got killed this time, you shouldn't be this pessimistic I noticed you avoided responding to Kwark probably smart since it would not go well for you. But it does get more and more pathetic that you have to go for personal attacks because your logic is so weak. The Russian propaganda has really left you a shell of your former self. I did not see Kwark's message that you're referencing here, where was it? I did however see that just about every single one of your recent posts has a personal attack in them so it's interesting that you feel that way about personal attacks Just responses to yours mate. On April 17 2024 00:25 KwarK wrote:On April 16 2024 23:54 Salazarz wrote:On April 16 2024 22:15 JimmiC wrote:I’d rather they picked a more black and white issue like China completely trying to erase multiple cultures from existence. But with China being totalitarian the news does not make it out in the same way, and with the main sources of propaganda being Chinese allies we are never going to see it. Not to mention China being the backbone of global consumerism. Nice to see people using their right to protest. Also, really nice to see the democratic countries letting it happen. Imagine the blood shed if it happened in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, so on. It is important when all you read are negatives about these big democracies to take a step back and look at them comparatively and realize that while there is a ton of work to be done, they are SO SO much better than a dictatorship no matter the branding. Yeah, I'm sure all the dead, displaced, and starving Palestinians feel much better about their situation knowing that it's a democracy that is doing those things to them. It’s mostly Hamas doing it to them. Just like it wasn’t the Allies fucking up Nazi Germany, it was the Nazis who decided to try picking a fight with the rest of the world. We attempt to hold Israel to a higher standard because we can’t hold Hamas to any standard at all, but it’s important to remember that Israel isn’t responsible for the situation in Gaza today. Gaza was seized by a radical religious death cult that wants Israel to kill Gazans. Ok, I disagree with Kwark's assessment of the situation. A lot of the personal attacks in your posts weren't directed at me so they can't be responses to mine, and on top of that I (as usual) only talk to you when you talk to me so they can even less be responses to mine. Looks like that's mostly a you problem, sorry. My first post to yours did not contain personal insult, my second one barely did after you insulted me. If you read the words that were written instead of your assumptions this would be much easier.
I didn't insult you in any of my posts though, I talked about Netanyahu and as far as I know you are a different person.
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On April 19 2024 04:58 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 04:55 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:52 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:40 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:39 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:25 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 03:14 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 01:08 JimmiC wrote:
See above, and also, "this specific genocidal onslaught". ROLF. Super scary sounding words, terrible definition. At some point you are going ot have to come to terms that you can't have a huge power disparity and a unsuccessful genocide.
I understand that his bloodlust will never be satisfied but I think even Netanyahu smiles a little bit when he thinks of the at least 40k people he got killed this time, you shouldn't be this pessimistic I noticed you avoided responding to Kwark probably smart since it would not go well for you. But it does get more and more pathetic that you have to go for personal attacks because your logic is so weak. The Russian propaganda has really left you a shell of your former self. I did not see Kwark's message that you're referencing here, where was it? I did however see that just about every single one of your recent posts has a personal attack in them so it's interesting that you feel that way about personal attacks Just responses to yours mate. On April 17 2024 00:25 KwarK wrote:On April 16 2024 23:54 Salazarz wrote:On April 16 2024 22:15 JimmiC wrote:I’d rather they picked a more black and white issue like China completely trying to erase multiple cultures from existence. But with China being totalitarian the news does not make it out in the same way, and with the main sources of propaganda being Chinese allies we are never going to see it. Not to mention China being the backbone of global consumerism. Nice to see people using their right to protest. Also, really nice to see the democratic countries letting it happen. Imagine the blood shed if it happened in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, so on. It is important when all you read are negatives about these big democracies to take a step back and look at them comparatively and realize that while there is a ton of work to be done, they are SO SO much better than a dictatorship no matter the branding. Yeah, I'm sure all the dead, displaced, and starving Palestinians feel much better about their situation knowing that it's a democracy that is doing those things to them. It’s mostly Hamas doing it to them. Just like it wasn’t the Allies fucking up Nazi Germany, it was the Nazis who decided to try picking a fight with the rest of the world. We attempt to hold Israel to a higher standard because we can’t hold Hamas to any standard at all, but it’s important to remember that Israel isn’t responsible for the situation in Gaza today. Gaza was seized by a radical religious death cult that wants Israel to kill Gazans. Ok, I disagree with Kwark's assessment of the situation. A lot of the personal attacks in your posts weren't directed at me so they can't be responses to mine, and on top of that I (as usual) only talk to you when you talk to me so they can even less be responses to mine. Looks like that's mostly a you problem, sorry. My first post to yours did not contain personal insult, my second one barely did after you insulted me. If you read the words that were written instead of your assumptions this would be much easier. I didn't insult you in any of my posts though, I talked about Netanyahu and as far as I know you are a different person. You claimed I liked it. But I'm not going to let you take this into a referendum on my posting because you can't back up your statements that lack fact on logic.
I didn't claim you liked it. You know the posts are public right, you can just check?
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On April 19 2024 05:10 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 05:00 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:58 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:55 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:52 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:40 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:39 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:25 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 03:14 Nebuchad wrote:
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I understand that his bloodlust will never be satisfied but I think even Netanyahu smiles a little bit when he thinks of the at least 40k people he got killed this time, you shouldn't be this pessimistic I noticed you avoided responding to Kwark probably smart since it would not go well for you. But it does get more and more pathetic that you have to go for personal attacks because your logic is so weak. The Russian propaganda has really left you a shell of your former self. I did not see Kwark's message that you're referencing here, where was it? I did however see that just about every single one of your recent posts has a personal attack in them so it's interesting that you feel that way about personal attacks Just responses to yours mate. On April 17 2024 00:25 KwarK wrote:On April 16 2024 23:54 Salazarz wrote:On April 16 2024 22:15 JimmiC wrote:
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I’d rather they picked a more black and white issue like China completely trying to erase multiple cultures from existence. But with China being totalitarian the news does not make it out in the same way, and with the main sources of propaganda being Chinese allies we are never going to see it. Not to mention China being the backbone of global consumerism.
Nice to see people using their right to protest. Also, really nice to see the democratic countries letting it happen. Imagine the blood shed if it happened in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, so on.
It is important when all you read are negatives about these big democracies to take a step back and look at them comparatively and realize that while there is a ton of work to be done, they are SO SO much better than a dictatorship no matter the branding. Yeah, I'm sure all the dead, displaced, and starving Palestinians feel much better about their situation knowing that it's a democracy that is doing those things to them. It’s mostly Hamas doing it to them. Just like it wasn’t the Allies fucking up Nazi Germany, it was the Nazis who decided to try picking a fight with the rest of the world. We attempt to hold Israel to a higher standard because we can’t hold Hamas to any standard at all, but it’s important to remember that Israel isn’t responsible for the situation in Gaza today. Gaza was seized by a radical religious death cult that wants Israel to kill Gazans. Ok, I disagree with Kwark's assessment of the situation. A lot of the personal attacks in your posts weren't directed at me so they can't be responses to mine, and on top of that I (as usual) only talk to you when you talk to me so they can even less be responses to mine. Looks like that's mostly a you problem, sorry. My first post to yours did not contain personal insult, my second one barely did after you insulted me. If you read the words that were written instead of your assumptions this would be much easier. I didn't insult you in any of my posts though, I talked about Netanyahu and as far as I know you are a different person. You claimed I liked it. But I'm not going to let you take this into a referendum on my posting because you can't back up your statements that lack fact on logic. I didn't claim you liked it. You know the posts are public right, you can just check? You said I was pessimistic in that it has not happened but will. Which kind of defeats your whole point that it is genocide. Since in real genocides, like Dafur, the Holocaust, Cambodia, Rawanda and so on there is no question. Everyone knows it is Genocide because there is the hallmarks of actual genocide like mass executions. Heck by your definitions your good guys Iran are guilty of one in Syria and it killed 20x the people. And yet you think they are good guys. You simply have no logic, just edgelordy incendiary comments that you are unwilling to back up with any sort logic let alone a source.
You misunderstood me, I said you were pessimistic in calling it unsuccessful. I highly doubt that Netanyahu views this 40k number as a failure, of course he would have wanted more but I'm sure he thinks this is good (and also he might still get more!)
I think what happened was you were already agitated from trying to start fights with like 3 different people on the forum at the same time, and also from your general disposition of "old man who yells at clouds", and so you decided to take this post as an indication that I think you like it when Palestinians die, which it wasn't. I don't think you like it when Palestinians die by the way, I think you couldn't care less one way or the other, it's all just a forum game to you.
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On April 19 2024 05:39 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 05:17 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:10 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:00 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:58 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:55 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:52 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:40 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:39 Nebuchad wrote:
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I did not see Kwark's message that you're referencing here, where was it?
I did however see that just about every single one of your recent posts has a personal attack in them so it's interesting that you feel that way about personal attacks Just responses to yours mate. On April 17 2024 00:25 KwarK wrote:
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It’s mostly Hamas doing it to them. Just like it wasn’t the Allies fucking up Nazi Germany, it was the Nazis who decided to try picking a fight with the rest of the world.
We attempt to hold Israel to a higher standard because we can’t hold Hamas to any standard at all, but it’s important to remember that Israel isn’t responsible for the situation in Gaza today. Gaza was seized by a radical religious death cult that wants Israel to kill Gazans. Ok, I disagree with Kwark's assessment of the situation. A lot of the personal attacks in your posts weren't directed at me so they can't be responses to mine, and on top of that I (as usual) only talk to you when you talk to me so they can even less be responses to mine. Looks like that's mostly a you problem, sorry. My first post to yours did not contain personal insult, my second one barely did after you insulted me. If you read the words that were written instead of your assumptions this would be much easier. I didn't insult you in any of my posts though, I talked about Netanyahu and as far as I know you are a different person. You claimed I liked it. But I'm not going to let you take this into a referendum on my posting because you can't back up your statements that lack fact on logic. I didn't claim you liked it. You know the posts are public right, you can just check? You said I was pessimistic in that it has not happened but will. Which kind of defeats your whole point that it is genocide. Since in real genocides, like Dafur, the Holocaust, Cambodia, Rawanda and so on there is no question. Everyone knows it is Genocide because there is the hallmarks of actual genocide like mass executions. Heck by your definitions your good guys Iran are guilty of one in Syria and it killed 20x the people. And yet you think they are good guys. You simply have no logic, just edgelordy incendiary comments that you are unwilling to back up with any sort logic let alone a source. You misunderstood me, I said you were pessimistic in calling it unsuccessful. I highly doubt that Netanyahu views this 40k number as a failure, of course he would have wanted more but I'm sure he thinks this is good (and also he might still get more!) I think what happened was you were already agitated from trying to start fights with like 3 different people on the forum at the same time, and also from your general disposition of "old man who yells at clouds", and so you decided to take this post as an indication that I think you like it when Palestinians die, which it wasn't. I don't think you like it when Palestinians die by the way, I think you couldn't care less one way or the other, it's all just a forum game to you. I was not saying it was unsuccessful I'm saying it was never intended. If he wanted more than 40k he would have it, they have the power and firepower to kill everyone. If he was Hitler or Pol Pot or any of the others it would have just happened. It has not because they do not want it too. It is clear and obvious. Their words even match their actions. They have said they will destroy Hamas, regardless of civilian causalities and that is what they have done. What you are doing is extremely offensive, hateful and needs to be shouted down every time. There is actual Holocaust survivors in Israel, on top of that almost everyone their has a parent, grandparent, uncle, aunt (more likely multiple) that were killed or lived in a concentration camp during an actual genocide where they were trying to be exterminated. Turning the word around on them is not some cool burn you use for extra internet points, it is extremely personal and deeply hurtful. You are no different than the rednecks around here that claim the aboriginals are colonialists whenever they do something they don't like, other than that you as a educated person should know better. It is beyond frustrating that you somehow think you have the moral high ground. You are being an awful human just so you can look like a internet tough guy or seem cool to people you will never meet not caring about all the other you are deeply hurting.
Do you have any insight on why, when the claim of genocide was brought to the International Court of Justice, they said "Yes it is plausible that this is what is happening", rather than "Only a russian-propaganda-addled idiot like Nebuchad would want to use this word, this is obviously not what's happening and it's an insult to Holocaust survivors to claim that it is"?
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On April 19 2024 05:52 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 05:45 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:39 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:17 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:10 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:00 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:58 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:55 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:52 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:
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Ok, I disagree with Kwark's assessment of the situation.
A lot of the personal attacks in your posts weren't directed at me so they can't be responses to mine, and on top of that I (as usual) only talk to you when you talk to me so they can even less be responses to mine. Looks like that's mostly a you problem, sorry. My first post to yours did not contain personal insult, my second one barely did after you insulted me. If you read the words that were written instead of your assumptions this would be much easier. I didn't insult you in any of my posts though, I talked about Netanyahu and as far as I know you are a different person. You claimed I liked it. But I'm not going to let you take this into a referendum on my posting because you can't back up your statements that lack fact on logic. I didn't claim you liked it. You know the posts are public right, you can just check? You said I was pessimistic in that it has not happened but will. Which kind of defeats your whole point that it is genocide. Since in real genocides, like Dafur, the Holocaust, Cambodia, Rawanda and so on there is no question. Everyone knows it is Genocide because there is the hallmarks of actual genocide like mass executions. Heck by your definitions your good guys Iran are guilty of one in Syria and it killed 20x the people. And yet you think they are good guys. You simply have no logic, just edgelordy incendiary comments that you are unwilling to back up with any sort logic let alone a source. You misunderstood me, I said you were pessimistic in calling it unsuccessful. I highly doubt that Netanyahu views this 40k number as a failure, of course he would have wanted more but I'm sure he thinks this is good (and also he might still get more!) I think what happened was you were already agitated from trying to start fights with like 3 different people on the forum at the same time, and also from your general disposition of "old man who yells at clouds", and so you decided to take this post as an indication that I think you like it when Palestinians die, which it wasn't. I don't think you like it when Palestinians die by the way, I think you couldn't care less one way or the other, it's all just a forum game to you. I was not saying it was unsuccessful I'm saying it was never intended. If he wanted more than 40k he would have it, they have the power and firepower to kill everyone. If he was Hitler or Pol Pot or any of the others it would have just happened. It has not because they do not want it too. It is clear and obvious. Their words even match their actions. They have said they will destroy Hamas, regardless of civilian causalities and that is what they have done. What you are doing is extremely offensive, hateful and needs to be shouted down every time. There is actual Holocaust survivors in Israel, on top of that almost everyone their has a parent, grandparent, uncle, aunt (more likely multiple) that were killed or lived in a concentration camp during an actual genocide where they were trying to be exterminated. Turning the word around on them is not some cool burn you use for extra internet points, it is extremely personal and deeply hurtful. You are no different than the rednecks around here that claim the aboriginals are colonialists whenever they do something they don't like, other than that you as a educated person should know better. It is beyond frustrating that you somehow think you have the moral high ground. You are being an awful human just so you can look like a internet tough guy or seem cool to people you will never meet not caring about all the other you are deeply hurting. Do you have any insight on why, when the claim of genocide was brought to the International Court of Justice, they said "Yes it is plausible that this is what is happening", rather than "Only a russian-propaganda-addled idiot like Nebuchad would want to use this word, this is obviously not what's happening and it's an insult to Holocaust survivors to claim that it is"? Because most everything is plausible it is an extremely low bar. For example it is plausible that I am a professional hockey player. Next how many of the people that voted for that resolution are part of the Russian, Chinese, Iranian circle of influence?
No, everything is not plausible lol. If your portrayal of the situation was remotely accurate, the claim of 'genocide' would be implausible, not plausible. Which is why you end your little outbursts with "It's not happening", as opposed to "There's a decent chance that it's happening, that's plausible, I don't really know".
Edit (sneaky edit): didn't read the post until the end, you actually mentioned the Russian, Chinese, Iranian circle of influence, that's funny. One, if you believe that plausible is a low bar then it doesn't matter who is influenced as they would reach the low bar anyway, so clearly you're just throwing things at the wall and trying to see if they stick, and two, every judge said it was plausible except Uganda and Israel's judges, including an American and a German judge, so would you like to tell us more about this conspiracy theory that you have regarding the spheres of influence on the ICJ? If anything the spheres of influence on the ICJ made it less likely that it would rule in favor of South Africa, not more likely.
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On April 19 2024 06:30 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 06:06 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:52 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:45 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:39 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:17 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:10 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:00 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:58 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:55 Nebuchad wrote:
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I didn't insult you in any of my posts though, I talked about Netanyahu and as far as I know you are a different person. You claimed I liked it. But I'm not going to let you take this into a referendum on my posting because you can't back up your statements that lack fact on logic. I didn't claim you liked it. You know the posts are public right, you can just check? You said I was pessimistic in that it has not happened but will. Which kind of defeats your whole point that it is genocide. Since in real genocides, like Dafur, the Holocaust, Cambodia, Rawanda and so on there is no question. Everyone knows it is Genocide because there is the hallmarks of actual genocide like mass executions. Heck by your definitions your good guys Iran are guilty of one in Syria and it killed 20x the people. And yet you think they are good guys. You simply have no logic, just edgelordy incendiary comments that you are unwilling to back up with any sort logic let alone a source. You misunderstood me, I said you were pessimistic in calling it unsuccessful. I highly doubt that Netanyahu views this 40k number as a failure, of course he would have wanted more but I'm sure he thinks this is good (and also he might still get more!) I think what happened was you were already agitated from trying to start fights with like 3 different people on the forum at the same time, and also from your general disposition of "old man who yells at clouds", and so you decided to take this post as an indication that I think you like it when Palestinians die, which it wasn't. I don't think you like it when Palestinians die by the way, I think you couldn't care less one way or the other, it's all just a forum game to you. I was not saying it was unsuccessful I'm saying it was never intended. If he wanted more than 40k he would have it, they have the power and firepower to kill everyone. If he was Hitler or Pol Pot or any of the others it would have just happened. It has not because they do not want it too. It is clear and obvious. Their words even match their actions. They have said they will destroy Hamas, regardless of civilian causalities and that is what they have done. What you are doing is extremely offensive, hateful and needs to be shouted down every time. There is actual Holocaust survivors in Israel, on top of that almost everyone their has a parent, grandparent, uncle, aunt (more likely multiple) that were killed or lived in a concentration camp during an actual genocide where they were trying to be exterminated. Turning the word around on them is not some cool burn you use for extra internet points, it is extremely personal and deeply hurtful. You are no different than the rednecks around here that claim the aboriginals are colonialists whenever they do something they don't like, other than that you as a educated person should know better. It is beyond frustrating that you somehow think you have the moral high ground. You are being an awful human just so you can look like a internet tough guy or seem cool to people you will never meet not caring about all the other you are deeply hurting. Do you have any insight on why, when the claim of genocide was brought to the International Court of Justice, they said "Yes it is plausible that this is what is happening", rather than "Only a russian-propaganda-addled idiot like Nebuchad would want to use this word, this is obviously not what's happening and it's an insult to Holocaust survivors to claim that it is"? Because most everything is plausible it is an extremely low bar. For example it is plausible that I am a professional hockey player. Next how many of the people that voted for that resolution are part of the Russian, Chinese, Iranian circle of influence? No, everything is not plausible lol. If your portrayal of the situation was remotely accurate, the claim of 'genocide' would be implausible, not plausible. Which is why you end your little outbursts with "It's not happening", as opposed to "There's a decent chance that it's happening, that's plausible, I don't really know". Seemingly reasonable is a very low bar, hence the example. They basically said, OK show us more information. There is plenty of innocent people who go to trial and a DA has a higher bar than plausible. Even your own posts indicate you know it is not actually genocide. If it already was genocide you would need to talk about Netanyahu doing more. It is a war, war is awful. War is even more awful in a urban setting. This war has casualties in line or lower than other urban wars. Including some that recently happened by countries you consider good guys and never mention genocide for them (even if they themselves talk about it regularly). And that is on top of the fact that Israel didn't even start this particular war. It was started by other "good guys" in your view, who did it in the most heinous way possible. You are wrong, and earlier you had said you were going to stop using the term but since you had nothing productive to add and wanted to be a incendiary edgelord you are back to it. I'm not going to read every post and some times you probably used the word not incendiarly towards Israel, but I'm sure in the 21 times since theres been a few. Show nested quote +But for the purpose of moving the conversation forward because I don't really care I'm willing to only use ethnic cleansing in the future as opposed to also using genocide. Sticking to your word as per usual...
This isn't a war, this is the continuation of a brutal occupation that has gone on for decades. To frame it in this manner does a disservice to the treatment the Palestinians have endured for years.
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On April 19 2024 06:30 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2024 06:06 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:52 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:45 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:39 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:17 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 05:10 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 05:00 Nebuchad wrote:On April 19 2024 04:58 JimmiC wrote:On April 19 2024 04:55 Nebuchad wrote:
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I didn't insult you in any of my posts though, I talked about Netanyahu and as far as I know you are a different person. You claimed I liked it. But I'm not going to let you take this into a referendum on my posting because you can't back up your statements that lack fact on logic. I didn't claim you liked it. You know the posts are public right, you can just check? You said I was pessimistic in that it has not happened but will. Which kind of defeats your whole point that it is genocide. Since in real genocides, like Dafur, the Holocaust, Cambodia, Rawanda and so on there is no question. Everyone knows it is Genocide because there is the hallmarks of actual genocide like mass executions. Heck by your definitions your good guys Iran are guilty of one in Syria and it killed 20x the people. And yet you think they are good guys. You simply have no logic, just edgelordy incendiary comments that you are unwilling to back up with any sort logic let alone a source. You misunderstood me, I said you were pessimistic in calling it unsuccessful. I highly doubt that Netanyahu views this 40k number as a failure, of course he would have wanted more but I'm sure he thinks this is good (and also he might still get more!) I think what happened was you were already agitated from trying to start fights with like 3 different people on the forum at the same time, and also from your general disposition of "old man who yells at clouds", and so you decided to take this post as an indication that I think you like it when Palestinians die, which it wasn't. I don't think you like it when Palestinians die by the way, I think you couldn't care less one way or the other, it's all just a forum game to you. I was not saying it was unsuccessful I'm saying it was never intended. If he wanted more than 40k he would have it, they have the power and firepower to kill everyone. If he was Hitler or Pol Pot or any of the others it would have just happened. It has not because they do not want it too. It is clear and obvious. Their words even match their actions. They have said they will destroy Hamas, regardless of civilian causalities and that is what they have done. What you are doing is extremely offensive, hateful and needs to be shouted down every time. There is actual Holocaust survivors in Israel, on top of that almost everyone their has a parent, grandparent, uncle, aunt (more likely multiple) that were killed or lived in a concentration camp during an actual genocide where they were trying to be exterminated. Turning the word around on them is not some cool burn you use for extra internet points, it is extremely personal and deeply hurtful. You are no different than the rednecks around here that claim the aboriginals are colonialists whenever they do something they don't like, other than that you as a educated person should know better. It is beyond frustrating that you somehow think you have the moral high ground. You are being an awful human just so you can look like a internet tough guy or seem cool to people you will never meet not caring about all the other you are deeply hurting. Do you have any insight on why, when the claim of genocide was brought to the International Court of Justice, they said "Yes it is plausible that this is what is happening", rather than "Only a russian-propaganda-addled idiot like Nebuchad would want to use this word, this is obviously not what's happening and it's an insult to Holocaust survivors to claim that it is"? Because most everything is plausible it is an extremely low bar. For example it is plausible that I am a professional hockey player. Next how many of the people that voted for that resolution are part of the Russian, Chinese, Iranian circle of influence? No, everything is not plausible lol. If your portrayal of the situation was remotely accurate, the claim of 'genocide' would be implausible, not plausible. Which is why you end your little outbursts with "It's not happening", as opposed to "There's a decent chance that it's happening, that's plausible, I don't really know". Seemingly reasonable is a very low bar, hence the example. They basically said, OK show us more information. There is plenty of innocent people who go to trial and a DA has a higher bar than plausible. Even your own posts indicate you know it is not actually genocide. If it already was genocide you would need to talk about Netanyahu doing more. It is a war, war is awful. War is even more awful in a urban setting. This war has casualties in line or lower than other urban wars. Including some that recently happened by countries you consider good guys and never mention genocide for them (even if they themselves talk about it regularly). And that is on top of the fact that Israel didn't even start this particular war. It was started by other "good guys" in your view, who did it in the most heinous way possible. You are wrong, and earlier you had said you were going to stop using the term but since you had nothing productive to add and wanted to be a incendiary edgelord you are back to it. I'm not going to read every post and some times you probably used the word not incendiarly towards Israel, but I'm sure in the 21 times since theres been a few. Show nested quote +But for the purpose of moving the conversation forward because I don't really care I'm willing to only use ethnic cleansing in the future as opposed to also using genocide. Sticking to your word as per usual...
I said that before the ICJ ruling. But yeah it is true that "ethnic cleansing" is a better word than "genocide" for this situation, I should probably have stuck to that. I don't really care and neither should you, ethnic cleansing is a better term for what happened to Armenians too and I'm never going to care that people say "Armenian genocide" instead of "Armenian ethnic cleansing" because I'm not a weirdo.
"Even your own posts indicate you know it is not actually genocide. If it already was genocide you would need to talk about Netanyahu doing more."
Damn, another line that should have made it to the ICJ ruling, sounds like it's very implausible that a genocide is happening since there are still living Palestinians.
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