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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 08 2020 22:54 Zambrah wrote: Im full of a LOT of shit, but right is the wrong wing. Concessions aren't made in our system, if you've been paying attention, you'll notice Republicans have discovered this strategy of "obstruct literally anything and blame it on the other ones" and it works very well for them. My hope for moving past that sort of obstruction is to brute force it, we cannot compromise on the system we have, re: the Wegandi talk about PR and DC being added as states. His side believes their power isn't just something they've earned but that they're systematically ENTITLED to. We need a slate of time where Democrats are able to completely muscle out Republicans, pass things that fundamentally alter our political landscape so that normal decent human politics can be at least considered. Its a HUGE ask, its a VERY difficult thing to do in the US, we have immense partisanship, we have division within the side that will even entertain the idea of altering the political landscape, the task is monumental. Its a metric shit ton of hard work, it will require grassroots organizing, taking house seats from not only Republicans but from Democrats that signal they're not willing to help improve the state of the country, it involves building an American electorate that is far more politically active and willing to do what we need to do to ensure our system doesn't have to be burned down by a peasant revolt. America's system has tons of problems but the idea that its problem is it forces concessions is just not the reality of it insofar as I can observe. You do know Bidden is known as the guy to make deals with Republicans including Mitch? It's always been about give and take. Mitch doesn't need to suck Trump's penis anymore but then again yeah he is also known for obstructing like any other. Case in point blocking all appointments the Democrats wanted to make whereas look at the 3 bullshit Justices they just did. I get it; it's not going to be easy but if someone can get through to the other side it is Biden. It's not to say that there won't still be obstruction because there will always be under this retarded system. It's a shame Bidden is not the one to reform the elector college because right now minorities in your country have a lot less power when it comes to making their votes compared to whites. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46245 Posts
On November 08 2020 23:04 iamthedave wrote: Got to say; the atmosphere after winning is very different here than when Trump won. The right wingers were pretty jubilant, as they usually are when their side wins. None of that from the Democrat side. From what I've seen, my fellow liberals and progressive and Democrats have had a measured congratulatory response, relieved that Trump will be removed from power but also understanding that there are many underlying issues that still need to be addressed in this country, and Biden alone will not have the solutions to all of them. It's a small step in the right direction, but we still have a long way to go. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24201 Posts
I get it; it's not going to be easy but if someone can get through to the other side it is Biden withthe main fight is the fight to do anything at all , push for policies that improve the situation of the country. or some variation will be used constantly to club people to Biden's left into supporting what is essentially moderate Republican legislation like austerity and military spending with shiny trinkets on the periphery imo. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14174 Posts
On November 08 2020 23:20 Zambrah wrote: Okay, youre starting to turn me off of it in a big way now Are you going to elaborate why or do you assume people can see you when you type? I talked about it earlier but I Was saying how the numbers of Hispanic children in Texan school districts would shock people. https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/enroll_2018-19.pdf 52.4% just under double the national average with white kids only comprising 27.4% of children in school districts. This is going to be the story of relevant political demographics in the coming decade. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 08 2020 23:47 Sermokala wrote: Are you going to elaborate why or do you assume people can see you when you type? I talked about it earlier but I Was saying how the numbers of Hispanic children in Texan school districts would shock people. https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/enroll_2018-19.pdf 52.4% just under double the national average with white kids only comprising 27.4% of children in school districts. This is going to be the story of relevant political demographics in the coming decade. I mean, originally it was just a bit of a shit post, but I don't like Obama, I think he ran as a progressive and revealed himself as a self-described to-the-right-of-Nixon type. I don't want that, I don't want someone to come up and make a bunch of hollow disingenuous promises. I've gone into why I think Obama's political strategy and persona worked, but he is not a man I want anyone I want my politicians to be, I want my politicians to be so much better than Obama. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 08 2020 21:59 Zambrah wrote: Assuming good faith from your politicians is a bad move, especially when we've seen that politicians in the US dont deserve good faith. If Bernie had the kind of record Biden had I'd be calling him full of shit too, but Bernie has voted ahead of the curve on issues, Biden has to have the curve meet him and even then he cautiously side eyes it. The only genuine interest I think he has is to try and create a coalition government between Democrats and Republicans and that sounds AWFUL to me because what it means when Democrats and Republicans collaborate is Republicans fuck it all up. He's not a sinister villain, hes an untrustworthy politician with a history of lies, he's not any different from the vast majority of American politicians, he doesnt get trust he hasn't earned, thats now how this works. People immediately jumped to Chuck only said that about student debt because McConnell will block it anyway, but never seem to care that Bernie never has to deliver anything because he is always out of power. You'll be excited that he has principles and is the one person who voted against something even though it does absolutely nothing. Somehow Bernie gets credit for this while democrats are imagined to be evil and only saying things because they know they won't pass. Have you ever considered that Bernie is a politician doing the exact same thing, except you agree with him? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28874 Posts
On November 09 2020 00:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: People immediately jumped to Chuck only said that about student debt because McConnell will block it anyway, but never seem to care that Bernie never has to deliver anything because he is always out of power. You'll be excited that he has principles and is the one person who voted against something even though it does absolutely nothing. Somehow Bernie gets credit for this while democrats are imagined to be evil and only saying things because they know they won't pass. Have you ever considered that Bernie is a politician doing the exact same thing, except you agree with him? No, Bernie gets special credit because he's been saying the same things for 40+ years even when those ideas had virtually no traction in american politics. The same things that held him out of mainstream politics for decades is what gives him credibility today. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On November 09 2020 00:17 Liquid`Drone wrote: No, Bernie gets special credit because he's been saying the same things for 40+ years even when those ideas had virtually no traction in american politics. The same things that held him out of mainstream politics for decades is what gives him credibility today. This. A politician with a record of consistency that has consistently been on the side of history that trends positively has earned the trust. A politician like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton that has to have public opinion swing to the positive to think positively on something doesn't show that the believe in or care about anything. I don't believe Joe Biden believes in nothing, to the contrary I do believe he is a politician that does actually believe in things, but what he believes in (chiefly his love for cross aisle coalition building) is less of a strength in this political climate and more of a liability. | ||
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Slydie
1994 Posts
On November 08 2020 23:31 JimmiC wrote: Strange question, but does Pence have Covid or something? Is he naming statements and I'm not hearing them? I don't think I've read or seen anything from him on the election? I guess you missed this one? His job has always been to cover for Trump, but right now, he needs to balance between the president and the party, so he needs to be very careful. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
On an aside, it's probably already been mentioned here before, but Democrats got denied on their attempt to reclaim some state legislatures in key swing states and potential pick-ups and will be stewing in some very hard maps for them when redistricting comes by soon. Another decade with the GOP in an advantageous position statewide. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/statehouse-elections-2020-434108 | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Still, I hope to see it, we've seen that major inroads can be made in GA, I think we're going to need to see gains in non-youth black voters to push those races though, I'm not sure how many higher turnout you can even get from that demographic in GA, lol. If those runoffs are won though, holy shit what a triumph. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 08 2020 19:53 Zambrah wrote: Biden is probably the worst possible choice to enable a presidency that acts decisively without Republican support sadly. Hopefully we can pressure this administration into using it's EO powers to do what it can do, I think we're REALLY going to have to let people know what is possible without Republican support though, they're going to hide behind "uhh... doesnt that require Congress? Not their fault!" and the Democrats are going to continue to coast by on their greasy shitty little asses unless we grease our pans with them and light a fire under their asses. EOs, EOs, EOs, focus on midterms, grassroots organizing to get Congress ASAP, but EO EO EO EO EO EO EO in the meantime. No excuses for Biden, no prioritizing based on anything other than how fast Biden can sign shit. Old McBiden had a farm, EO-EO-O. The power of executive orders primarily stops with the budget, which will mean that beyond undoing the dumb EOs that Trump passed, it's not much of a way to govern. Add that to a presidency promising to change nothing fundamental, and really the most you're going to see is Biden rebuilding a gutted executive bureaucracy. Which I guess is a good thing if you're hoping for the federal government to fulfill its basic functions. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 09 2020 00:36 PhoenixVoid wrote: I recall people gave Danglars some grief for suggesting that Cal Cunningham's sexts dented his odds at winning the NC Senate seat, and while there were polls that showed Cunningham wasn't too afflicted, I now wonder if it may have cost him. Maybe it peeled off just enough votes from the moral purists to give Tillis the win. So far, Tillis is ahead by 95,721 votes at 97% of the votes in, while Trump is ahead 75,407 votes with 98% of the votes in. It's probably more likely that the general outperformance by Republicans over Trump due to various factors is the better answer, but there's that lingering feeling in the back of my head. The majority of votes to be counted in NC are from blue counties so maybe the last batch of mail-ins are like 80% Cunningham and he squeezes by, but judging from how the Democrats have written off NC, I think he's probably doomed. On an aside, it's probably already been mentioned here before, but Democrats got denied on their attempt to reclaim some state legislatures in key swing states and potential pick-ups and will be stewing in some very hard maps for them when redistricting comes by soon. Another decade with the GOP in an advantageous position statewide. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/statehouse-elections-2020-434108 The outstanding votes in NC are ballots that were mailed, but not returned. There is no reason to believe that either election will flip to the democrat. This isn't a Pennsylvania situation where they counted mostly the Trump votes first and then all the early votes for Biden. On November 09 2020 00:24 Zambrah wrote: This. A politician with a record of consistency that has consistently been on the side of history that trends positively has earned the trust. A politician like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton that has to have public opinion swing to the positive to think positively on something doesn't show that the believe in or care about anything. I don't believe Joe Biden believes in nothing, to the contrary I do believe he is a politician that does actually believe in things, but what he believes in (chiefly his love for cross aisle coalition building) is less of a strength in this political climate and more of a liability. What you're saying is that if enough progressives existed, Biden would suddenly shift political winds to that position except you can't admit that. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 09 2020 01:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: What you're saying is that if enough progressives existed, Biden would suddenly shift political winds to that position except you can't admit that. These are the types of politicians that, if for example support for universal healthcare were so prominent that it was about to pass Congress, would say that they were always huge advocates of it, the most bigliest ones around, don't pay attention to how aggressively they campaigned against it when it was less politically palatable. Clinton a little more than Biden, to be fair - I have seen Biden take principled stands at least once or twice in the Obama administration. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
On November 09 2020 01:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: The outstanding votes in NC are ballots that were mailed, but not returned. There is no reason to believe that either election will flip to the democrat. This isn't a Pennsylvania situation where they counted mostly the Trump votes first and then all the early votes for Biden. Thanks for the clarification. I figured Cunningham was toast anyways. There's also Alaska's Senate race that remains undecided as of now, but that's basically guaranteed a win for the Republican unless there's a miracle. | ||
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