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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
On November 08 2020 20:12 KungKras wrote: Agreed. The fight against Trump has ended. The fight against Biden begins now. What about working together, no? I mean, at that point every piece if legislation that is in Biden program goes in the right direction, and it looks like the story will be that he will have to fight like hell to pass anything at all with ninja turtle blocking everything. You don't want a green new deal, increased progressive taxation on the wealthy, a better minimal salary and so on? Ok, then fight Biden. Progressive should push Biden to do as much as possible and fight the moderate in the next primaries. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Noone should presume Biden has intentions to do much of anything without us all fighting to make him do it. Democrats should not be trusted, they haven't even kind of earned it. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On November 08 2020 20:46 Zambrah wrote: Pushing Biden IS a fight, his platform doesn't matter, what he does it what matters, words don't mean shit from politicians like Biden, and probably ANY politician in America who isnt basically Bernie Sanders. Noone should presume Biden has intentions to do much of anything without us all fighting to make him do it. Democrats should not be trusted, they haven't even kind of earned it. 100%. Most democrats love the "obstructionist republicans", it lets them vote when it doesn't matter to look good. When the chips are actually down, like when democrats had the senate/house under Obama, the public option wasn't added specifically because of democrat infighting. I won't believe a single word of Biden's "platform" unless it's enacted. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On November 08 2020 17:27 GreenHorizons wrote: Yeah, that's what I remember. I have no idea what the Bernie themed subreddits were like, but I also wouldn't consider Bernie folks far left. I remember you calling Biden a senile rapist during the primary, but whatever. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Nah, we push him to make changes, we organize the whole time. Grass roots organization, hard work like what happened to flip Georgia and make their Senate races go to a runoff. Work. Not, "Bidens pres guess we win lul games over GG" American politics isn't one vote every four years, its a mistake Democrats have been making for far too long. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
Honestly if i immediately see the "left" eat itself (again), i will lose it. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Example, Chuck Schumer VERY clearly afraid of the upcoming primary he'll be fighting if he doesnt promote progressive policy. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12461 Posts
On November 08 2020 20:53 Velr wrote: So your getting ready to lose in 2024 allready? That was quick. If we can never do anything, what's the point of winning? | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
This is in relation with the Press Conference at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping. Pun is 10/10. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
On November 08 2020 20:46 Zambrah wrote: Pushing Biden IS a fight, his platform doesn't matter, what he does it what matters, words don't mean shit from politicians like Biden, and probably ANY politician in America who isnt basically Bernie Sanders. Noone should presume Biden has intentions to do much of anything without us all fighting to make him do it. Democrats should not be trusted, they haven't even kind of earned it. So much for assuming good faith, hm? I see no more reason to assume Biden is not interested in implementing his platform than to say Sanders wasn't either. Obama and his administration fought like madmen to get stuff like the ACA to pass and survive. It's weird, it's like some people have built an image of those people that is backed by little to no fact where they are some sinister villains lying about their true motives while stroking cats at the top of some super lair. I agree the left has to fight for its platform. But the main fight is the fight to do anything at all, and it's far from won. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
The only genuine interest I think he has is to try and create a coalition government between Democrats and Republicans and that sounds AWFUL to me because what it means when Democrats and Republicans collaborate is Republicans fuck it all up. He's not a sinister villain, hes an untrustworthy politician with a history of lies, he's not any different from the vast majority of American politicians, he doesnt get trust he hasn't earned, thats now how this works. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
On November 08 2020 21:44 Nouar wrote: I'm sorry this is spam, but it cracked me up too much. This is in relation with the Press Conference at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping. Pun is 10/10. https://twitter.com/Victorsings/status/1325221490552418304 It's like a Cohen Brothers comedy. Frankly it's hard to believe people that moronic had the nuclear codes. | ||
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pajoondies
United States316 Posts
That said, I'm holding out hope for Georgia to give us at least one if not both senate spots so Dems can't just say they're being stonewalled by the GOP. I realllly want to see student loan forgiveness with an EO. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
On November 08 2020 21:59 Zambrah wrote: Assuming good faith from your politicians is a bad move, especially when we've seen that politicians in the US dont deserve good faith. If Bernie had the kind of record Biden had I'd be calling him full of shit too, but Bernie has voted ahead of the curve on issues, Biden has to have the curve meet him and even then he cautiously side eyes it. The only genuine interest I think he has is to try and create a coalition government between Democrats and Republicans and that sounds AWFUL to me because what it means when Democrats and Republicans collaborate is Republicans fuck it all up. He's not a sinister villain, hes an untrustworthy politician with a history of lies, he's not any different from the vast majority of American politicians, he doesnt get trust he hasn't earned, thats now how this works. So the idea is that you have to fight Biden even though you agree with his platform (that anyway is probably beyond what can be done without the senate) because you believe that he doesn't want to do anything in his platform and in fact has the agenda of doing nothing because he is a liar and all politicians are unless they are Sanders. Ok. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I mean GOD FORBID we look at Biden's LONG LONG political career to exam his historic priorities, by all means, lets all take politicians at their word! btw, I have 1000 dollars to give you, just wire 5000 dollars to my bank account and my nigerian prince friend will hook you up! What in the WORLD have politicians done in your world to earn this much trust from you? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23946 Posts
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Angel4575
Canada1 Post
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
That's what political allies are for. Helping AND be ruthlessly critical when need be. Good thing is that it will provide progressives with lots of leverage because he actually need them to do anything at all. Of course it's more fun to be edgy than constructive, and I don't want to be a party pooper. Other good thing is that this is exactly what progressive politicians are doing because luckily they are smart people. | ||
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