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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:51 StasisField wrote: Well, this is going to make dinner with my Trump supporting grandparents awkward tonight lol GG no re, Donald. Grandparents having dinner with people is a pretty YOLO play. That takes some stones. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:58 Burned Toast wrote: As much I'm happy for you, should'nt you guys avoid massive gathering for celebration in time like these ? Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted. Based Churchill. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:55 LegalLord wrote: Congrats on a "media official" Biden win! Certainly an incremental improvement over the previous president. Guess you can put away your notebook of permutations on “delectable electable” for another four years | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:58 Burned Toast wrote: As much as I'm happy for you, should'nt you guys avoid massive gathering for celebration in time like these ? Yes, we should (avoid them I mean). There's going to be celebrations no matter what, but they will likely be smaller than in past years. Both because Biden is less popular than Obama and because of covid. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:00 ChristianS wrote: Guess you can put away your notebook of permutations on “delectable electable” for another four years Well, "electable" wasn't the magic word this election, so that's long gone. Good thing too - turns out that even with the coronavirus debacle, he was only very barely elected, so it wouldn't have been the best argument anyways. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: NBC calls NV for Biden. Had AP not been so hasty in calling AZ, everyone could've safely called NV several days ago. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:02 Nevuk wrote: Yes, we should (avoid them I mean). There's going to be celebrations no matter what, but they will likely be smaller than in past years. Both because Biden is less popular than Obama and because of covid. Covid is going to make Biden's inauguration crowd small and all of the Trumpers are going to make fun of it just like the Democrats did in 2016. 2020 really is 2016 The Sequel lol | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:58 Burned Toast wrote: As much as I'm happy for you, should'nt you guys avoid massive gathering for celebration in time like these ? Yeah it seems rather ill-judged. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:52 Nevuk wrote: Fox News personalities aren't taking it well that Biden will win, even after Fox called it. + Show Spoiler + Feeed meeee. I need morrreee!! yumyumyumyumyum | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:06 LegalLord wrote: Well, "electable" wasn't the magic word this election, so that's long gone. Good thing too - turns out that even with the coronavirus debacle, he was only very barely elected, so it wouldn't have been the best argument anyways. Is this... true? It certainly felt like it at points, but if we’d just gotten all the results at once would we be saying this? Obviously we still don’t have all the results anyway, and it’s pretty clear down-ballot dems did pretty bad. But for President specifically, it kinda seems like as big a win as you can get under modern polarized conditions. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:11 Mohdoo wrote: Feeed meeee. I need morrreee!! yumyumyumyumyum + Show Spoiler + Brexit cofounder(?) Oh, and if you want a hilarious flashback of statements from the past, here's Tomi Lahren on Hillary : “The list of people she has yet to blame is probably a shorter list than the one she’s already using to blame everyone and their mother for her loss. Hillary, what happened? You happened!” | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:12 ChristianS wrote: Is this... true? It certainly felt like it at points, but if we’d just gotten all the results at once would we be saying this? Obviously we still don’t have all the results anyway, and it’s pretty clear down-ballot dems did pretty bad. But for President specifically, it kinda seems like as big a win as you can get under modern polarized conditions. Meh, barely elected by the electoral college. Won by 4% in popular vote, which in my eyes is what actually matters in terms of analysis. The technical system in place determines the winner, but examining the cultural/psychological situation only makes sense using popular vote. Trump got completely and totally dominated. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10570 Posts
Also good morning! What a sight to behold. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:12 ChristianS wrote: Is this... true? It certainly felt like it at points, but if we’d just gotten all the results at once would we be saying this? Obviously we still don’t have all the results anyway, and it’s pretty clear down-ballot dems did pretty bad. But for President specifically, it kinda seems like as big a win as you can get under modern polarized conditions. Trump currently has 214 "media official" electoral votes, and that'll be up to 232 when he's finally given NC and Alaska. At best, that margin will be as good as the narrow victory that Trump won in 2016, which is already one of the narrowest margins in history. A percentage point more favorable for Trump, maybe one or two less major debacles, and the overall result would've been reversed. Damn right that's "barely elected" by any meaningful measure. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:34 KOFgokuon wrote: Much of it came from a lack of understanding of how he was going to pay for all of his proposals. Monumental change for things like universal healthcare are wildly expensive, and even if the money currently allocated to health insurance that is currently paid by employers could be used to pay for insurance instead, there’s no guarantee that the employers would just give people more pay to compensate for the higher taxes. Even if my out of pocket costs are less, if my take home pay is also less, then it seems like a raw deal for the people that don’t use their insurance Not to mention there’s a lot of individuality in america and being required to do anything (like pay for health insurance) is going to cause people to recoil Ironically, the US government actually spends nearly three times as much on healthcare as those awful, tax-crushed European states do. Of course fixing the system would be neither simple nor cheap, but if someone managed to organize the US healthcare system into something at least somewhat reasonable rather than the profit mongering free-for-all that it currently is, you guys would end up with less taxes going towards healthcare costs rather than more. Fancy that! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 08 2020 04:19 JimmiC wrote: Point 2 is kind of over played. The reality is that Warrens votes actually ended up getting fairly spit between the two. And also there are just way more people that prefer the moderates in the Dem Party. That there was 6 moderates and 2 progressives was a advantage for Bernie as long as it lasted because the moderate larger vote would be split. But it is not some sort of scandal that they dropped out. It would be the minority of the party having control, which if you like Bernie is obviously a positive, but not exactly what you want from the system, the same way people don't want the president losing the popular vote by 20% or something. The reality is that Bernie lost because no enough people support him. He has not found a way to get other demographics then white middle class college educated and young. Whoever takes the torch from him needs to figure that out because if the next person is just equally popular they will also lose in primary. They need to get more progressive votes than moderate ones which right now is not happening, it is more like 2/3 1/3. Which is way better than it was and a great job by Sanders to get it that far. But pretending like there was some sort of conspiracy against him just stops you from from analyzing the actual issue which is he just was not able to get enough support, especially from certain demographics. It can both be true that the Democratic party by and large did not want Bernie Sanders to win the nomination and where possible would make moves to make it difficult for him and his campaign, while ultimately he didn't have the votes. By want of a parallel in the UK many people of the left persuasion are pretty pissy about Corbyn's time as Labour leader. Unlike some others I still think he would have lost regardless of his party continually trying to torpedo him, but on principle it was the attempt at doing so that pissed me off. | ||
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