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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:27 DucK- wrote: Hi all. I've got a question and I'd like simple answers for a dummy. Many are not that convinced over Biden, but still just wanna get Trump out. Given this, what's so bad about Sanders that Biden was chosen over him for this election vs Trump? Much of it came from a lack of understanding of how he was going to pay for all of his proposals. Monumental change for things like universal healthcare are wildly expensive, and even if the money currently allocated to health insurance that is currently paid by employers could be used to pay for insurance instead, there’s no guarantee that the employers would just give people more pay to compensate for the higher taxes. Even if my out of pocket costs are less, if my take home pay is also less, then it seems like a raw deal for the people that don’t use their insurance Not to mention there’s a lot of individuality in america and being required to do anything (like pay for health insurance) is going to cause people to recoil | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On November 08 2020 02:33 Sermokala wrote: Just saw the election got called and read back a few pages. I think that the dems have to pivot to Hispanics and just overall strategy to get Texas into the tent. Its definitely in striking range and I think would be a lot easier then plunging so much into Florida every cycle. 100% accurate. Dems have thrown $400 million down the drain in FL since 2016. Two lost presidencies, a governorship and a senate seat to show for it | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria873 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:07 schaf wrote: Thank you from Europe. Thank god we're free of Trump after January. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28874 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:27 DucK- wrote: Hi all. I've got a question and I'd like simple answers for a dummy. Many are not that convinced over Biden, but still just wanna get Trump out. Given this, what's so bad about Sanders that Biden was chosen over him for this election vs Trump? Simplified, Sanders wants to provide certain things (public health care and free-ish college education, the way you see in scandinavian countries), and while many of his policies have public support, there's a perception that the american public would not be willing to pay the tax increase required to fund those more progressive policies. Biden was largely chosen as a candidate because democrats calculated that hatred of Trump would function as something to invigorate people to vote while nothing about him really offends any large voter groups that might potentially ever vote democrat. Sanders has some policies that make people really excited about him, but he also has some elements to him that might scare people away from him. In a regular election, you want something to excite your voters to drive them to vote, in this election, Trump being the opponent was already that factor. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:34 KOFgokuon wrote: Not to mention there’s a lot of individuality in america and being required to do anything (like pay for health insurance) is going to cause people to recoil If by "Individuality" you mean "ignorance". Way pay far more than nations with nationalized healthcare and get far worse outcomes for it. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:27 DucK- wrote: Hi all. I've got a question and I'd like simple answers for a dummy. Many are not that convinced over Biden, but still just wanna get Trump out. Given this, what's so bad about Sanders that Biden was chosen over him for this election vs Trump? Basically people were more against Sanders than were for Biden. 1. Older black voters preferred Biden, which kept him in the race. They are moderates and prefer the safest choice, always. 2. All of the other moderates dropped out at once so that Sanders couldn't win (this was unprecedented, some of them dropped out while AHEAD of Biden), while the other progressive in the race stayed in so that the vote for her and Sanders got split. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Shingi11
290 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:35 darthfoley wrote: 100% accurate. Dems have thrown $400 million down the drain in FL since 2016. Two lost presidencies, a governorship and a senate seat to show for it Whys is FL a waste of money but TX not. Dems are not won ether but the margins in Florida have been far tighter | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: One of the first post Trump reversals. Donny must be fuming lol. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:41 Shingi11 wrote: Whys is FL a waste of money but TX not. Dems are not won ether but the margins in Florida have been far tighter FL has had probably 10-15x more investment. The demographics are changing in a favorable way in texas but not in florida. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14174 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:41 Shingi11 wrote: Whys is FL a waste of money but TX not. Dems are not won ether but the margins in Florida have been far tighter Lots of people are moving from California and Hispanic voters are both growing rapidly. The numbers on Hispanic populations in school districts would shock even a hardened democratic. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
Ohio / Iowa are trending the wrong direction. Give up on Indiana as well North Carolina / Georgia seem to be trending toward regularly competitive Deep South and most of the mountain areas, no chance That leaves Florida and Texas as the only states where trump won with less than a 8-10 point margin | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria873 Posts
- he wanted to leave the Paris Agreement and he doesn't believe in global warming - he doesn't trust science to lower infections of COVID-19 (he was saying something like "drink bleach" or stuff like that at that point) - he wants to break European Union apart, he has even encouraged the UK to leave - he almost wanted to break NATO apart too - he was bragging that he took women by the p*ssy which someone as high as president shouldn't say - he bullies his critics He just needed to go. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On November 08 2020 03:52 Nevuk wrote: Fox News personalities aren't taking it well that Biden will win, even after Fox called it. + Show Spoiler + They are grifters that make easy money by the boatload by pretending to be outraged about something. Hell look at Ann Coulter when she sees her publicity slipping she comes back to social media and spouts something asinine so that our reality tv media will book her for interviews. | ||
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