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On November 04 2020 07:41 d1shboy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 04 2020 07:27 Vivax wrote:On November 04 2020 07:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 04 2020 07:02 Vivax wrote:
Haven't followed US pol for a while. Did Trump manage to cover up his insanity pre-election and does the average voter have a memory for things he said over the last few years when he thought himself immortal? Trump has said and done insane things every week for at least the past 4 years, and people decided long ago as to whether or not anything Trump said/did would be disqualifying. I don't think the past month or so drastically changed anyone's mind. I tried to think of the best thing he has done during his term and that'd probably be him spamming on twitter. Just for the entertainment value. I'm not sure that I'd place escalating tariffs and fostering international frictions among those things. Yeah, I'm honestly not sure what actions Trump has taken that I would personally consider to be particularly admirable during his presidency. I read somewhere that he signed off on a bunch of legislation that was passed overwhelmingly in Congress, but any monkey could rubber stamp something that had full bipartisan support. Maybe him getting distracted by golfing and tweeting and television really was the best (albeit indirect) part of his term, as that meant he did less governing. 1. No Foreign wars started unlike the 5 presidents before him ( So none of our troops dont have to die in Needless wars ) 2. Tax cuts for everyone so you earn more of your income 3. Pulling our troops out of Afghanistan (Unlike what obama did where they promised to pull out Troops but did not ) 4. First step Act : Giving people with Non violent crimes lesser sentences and pardoning those convicted previously BY JOE BIDEN'S 1994 CRIME BILL
1. He didn't start wars, but he perpetuated them.
2. I'm not sure if #2 is a typo but we didn't all get tax cuts.
3. As of 5 days ago, Trump still doesn't have a plan to exit Afghanistan: https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2020/10/29/trump-has-no-plan-to-exit-afghanistan-by-xmas-key-lawmaker-says/
(I don't particularly blame him on this though, given - as you've pointed out - the Middle East seems to give every president a hard-on nowadays.)
4. The First Step Act was exactly the kind of thing I was referring to when I wrote "I read somewhere that he signed off on a bunch of legislation that was passed overwhelmingly in Congress, but any monkey could rubber stamp something that had full bipartisan support." Here is context for the First Step Act: "On December 18, 2018, the revised First Step Act[18] passed the U.S. Senate as S. 756 on a bipartisan 87–12 vote.[19] The House approved the bill with the Senate revisions on December 20, 2018 (358–36).[19]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_Act So... yes, he signed something that he absolutely had to, as his veto would have been overturned. Cool.
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On November 04 2020 07:44 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 07:32 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 07:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 04 2020 07:21 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 07:10 Shinokuki wrote:On November 04 2020 06:54 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 06:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 04 2020 06:42 Wegandi wrote:
Republican ED turnout is way up in PA, AZ, and FL. Dem turn-out in many counties lower than NPA / Other. I expect Trump to win all three, AZ by 2%, PA by 1% and FL by 3%. Compared to 2016 Republicans also had better EV margins. Hard to tell which way the NPA / Independent crowd will swing in these states, but the GOP has banked so many advantages all ready it is going to take a big Biden break with them for him to win. Some of you predicting Texas, FL, GA, etc. going to Biden I have to wonder besides the skewed polling what actual #'s you're going by? Look at the actual SOE / County #'s / State EV/ED #'s compared to 2016, not polling that have MOE of +/- 4.5% lol.
Anyway, I voted Jorgenson today and GOP down-ballot (Dems would have a shot at my vote if they weren't all progressives with socialist inclinations).
PS: I live in Florida. I'm not sure why you think that establishment Democrats, who are neoliberal / typical right-leaning moderate politicians from the perspective of most of the rest of the world, have socialist inclinations, but I definitely appreciate that you voted for JJ instead of DT. Do you have a specific site or two that you prefer to look at, when assessing EV/ED #s and all that jazz? For Florida: joeisdone.github.io (don't mind the partisan name, it is purely #'s from SOE/Counties) Dude, all the Dems on my ballot were for nationalized healthcare, the Green New Deal, 15$ min wage, increased regulatory state, huge on climate change taxation/business restrictions, etc. They're not Larry McDonald lmao. I get why you might be against healthcare, wage, and etc but climate change? Who gives a shit what you have or what others will have if we are going to suffer tremendously because of climate change in 2040-2050 My views on the climate change doomists are well known, plus even if what they say is true it's still not as bad as all the policy programs relating to "climate change". Poverty will do more harm to folks than even the worse-case scientific prognostications. I'd rather not slide into Argentina, Venezuela, Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. Please refer to them as "experts" or "scientists", not "doomers" or "alarmists". And if you want to avoid poverty so badly, why aren't you a proponent for increased minimum wage or addressing climate change? Seems inconsistent to me, to say poverty is bad while perpetuating social inequity and not caring about the existential threat of climate change. Minimum wage increases poverty not decreases. For someone so-called believes in everything science you guys sure do have a knock for being illiterate with economic science. How about being pro-rent control as well? Back on topic - Biden is going to have pull significantly with the NPA's to have a shot. R's are running way ahead of their 2016 #'s. For someone who claims to be knowledgeable on economic science, you seem to not be aware of the nuance this topic has, and that a claim such as "Minimum wage increases poverty not decreases" with any qualification is outright incorrect.
I dont know what chapter of the communist Manifesto youve been reading but its fairly straight forward Minimum wages decrease the number of jobs that lead to poverty
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On November 04 2020 07:46 schaf wrote:
He doesn't care, the left has no nuance. All socialism.
Left economic policy tends to be very statist. It's not like they're Pierre-Joseph Proudhon acolytes.
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On November 04 2020 07:48 d1shboy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 07:44 Sbrubbles wrote:On November 04 2020 07:32 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 07:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 04 2020 07:21 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 07:10 Shinokuki wrote:On November 04 2020 06:54 Wegandi wrote:On November 04 2020 06:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 04 2020 06:42 Wegandi wrote:
Republican ED turnout is way up in PA, AZ, and FL. Dem turn-out in many counties lower than NPA / Other. I expect Trump to win all three, AZ by 2%, PA by 1% and FL by 3%. Compared to 2016 Republicans also had better EV margins. Hard to tell which way the NPA / Independent crowd will swing in these states, but the GOP has banked so many advantages all ready it is going to take a big Biden break with them for him to win. Some of you predicting Texas, FL, GA, etc. going to Biden I have to wonder besides the skewed polling what actual #'s you're going by? Look at the actual SOE / County #'s / State EV/ED #'s compared to 2016, not polling that have MOE of +/- 4.5% lol.
Anyway, I voted Jorgenson today and GOP down-ballot (Dems would have a shot at my vote if they weren't all progressives with socialist inclinations).
PS: I live in Florida. I'm not sure why you think that establishment Democrats, who are neoliberal / typical right-leaning moderate politicians from the perspective of most of the rest of the world, have socialist inclinations, but I definitely appreciate that you voted for JJ instead of DT. Do you have a specific site or two that you prefer to look at, when assessing EV/ED #s and all that jazz? For Florida: joeisdone.github.io (don't mind the partisan name, it is purely #'s from SOE/Counties) Dude, all the Dems on my ballot were for nationalized healthcare, the Green New Deal, 15$ min wage, increased regulatory state, huge on climate change taxation/business restrictions, etc. They're not Larry McDonald lmao. I get why you might be against healthcare, wage, and etc but climate change? Who gives a shit what you have or what others will have if we are going to suffer tremendously because of climate change in 2040-2050 My views on the climate change doomists are well known, plus even if what they say is true it's still not as bad as all the policy programs relating to "climate change". Poverty will do more harm to folks than even the worse-case scientific prognostications. I'd rather not slide into Argentina, Venezuela, Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. Please refer to them as "experts" or "scientists", not "doomers" or "alarmists". And if you want to avoid poverty so badly, why aren't you a proponent for increased minimum wage or addressing climate change? Seems inconsistent to me, to say poverty is bad while perpetuating social inequity and not caring about the existential threat of climate change. Minimum wage increases poverty not decreases. For someone so-called believes in everything science you guys sure do have a knock for being illiterate with economic science. How about being pro-rent control as well? Back on topic - Biden is going to have pull significantly with the NPA's to have a shot. R's are running way ahead of their 2016 #'s. For someone who claims to be knowledgeable on economic science, you seem to not be aware of the nuance this topic has, and that a claim such as "Minimum wage increases poverty not decreases" with any qualification is outright incorrect. I dont know what chapter of the communist Manifesto youve been reading but its fairly straight forward Minimum wages decrease the number of jobs that lead to poverty
Literally what? Now I’m no economist as I may have demonstrated previously but...
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Are you guys seriously arguing with someone with 5 posts? 4 that were made in the last 5 minutes?
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On November 04 2020 07:30 plasmidghost wrote:
We might be getting a sense of the election from the Indiana suburbs when polls close in half an hour
Hey IN 05. Das me
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On November 04 2020 07:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Are you guys seriously arguing with someone with 5 posts? 4 that were made in the last 5 minutes?
Wombat is a good man of stout heart, he cannot help himself.
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On November 04 2020 07:53 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 07:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Are you guys seriously arguing with someone with 5 posts? 4 that were made in the last 5 minutes? Wombat is a good man of stout heart, he cannot help himself.
Genuinely made me chuckle irl.
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On November 04 2020 07:53 plasmidghost wrote:
Holy shit Fox News. I'm not putting any weight into these but wooooow
theres no way... this is incredible polling data.
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Wow, yeah don't put stock in these but jesus thats insane for a fox graphic
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On November 04 2020 07:56 FlaShFTW wrote:theres no way... this is incredible polling data.
Something tells me this isn’t accurate. Though I don’t doubt the ideas are popular overall
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On November 04 2020 07:57 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 07:56 FlaShFTW wrote:theres no way... this is incredible polling data. Something tells me this isn’t accurate. Though I don’t doubt the ideas are popular overall
Yeah but for Fox to have this... idk it's definitely a little suspicious. Especially when most of these are like 70-80% in favor of Democratic policies or viewpoints.
ALSO GUYS TWO MINUTES UNTIL INDIANA AND KENTUCKY BUCKLE UP ITS TIME TO RUMBLE
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While Fox News is a clown fiesta of a network to watch, they do have really good internal polling. These polls don't really tell us anything about how people will vote though. Bernie Sanders was considered favored over Joe Biden on all of those issues in the Democratic Primary and he still lost.
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On November 04 2020 08:00 plasmidghost wrote:
Polls have started to close!
Gah, probs wont get any tallies until another couple minutes. I'm jumping up and down right now.
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Here’s my last minute predictions, just made em for fun. Took a risky pick with Georgia, but otherwise I took a pretty conservative approach on behalf of Trump. If I’m wrong, it means Biden won even bigger with states like Ohio, Iowa, Florida and North Carolina
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/dQeknfq.jpg)
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On November 04 2020 08:00 plasmidghost wrote:
Polls have started to close!
Wtf, why would you close them so early? It's 18:00 EST. Here we we keep polling stations open to 21:00.
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