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On September 26 2020 02:27 GreenHorizons wrote:
This is what happens when we discourage people from making the connections between the disgusting and unacceptable nature of telling women to put up with harassment in online communities and doing the same with racism.
Any chance you could elaborate? I'm lost all of a sudden. The posts before yours kinda trailed off in a few directions all at once.
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Team liquid used to be a place about starcraft, now it's just a place where it seems like every 2 weeks there is some sort of article that pushes some sort of behavior modification propaganda. Can TL just go back to being about starcraft instead of these phony epeen moral lessons? Seriously, it's getting REALLY old. This place was much better 10 years ago.
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On September 26 2020 04:06 Sigh1022 wrote:
Team liquid used to be a place about starcraft, now it's just a place where it seems like every 2 weeks there is some sort of article that pushes some sort of behavior modification propaganda. Can TL just go back to being about starcraft instead of these phony epeen moral lessons? Seriously, it's getting REALLY old. This place was much better 10 years ago.
Guess who pushed us all to self censor and be politically correct? 
On the other side, we do have some serious issue with youth growing up with a lots of anger. Silencing and censoring people doesn't resolve the root issue of what's wrong.
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On September 26 2020 04:25 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 04:06 Sigh1022 wrote:
Team liquid used to be a place about starcraft, now it's just a place where it seems like every 2 weeks there is some sort of article that pushes some sort of behavior modification propaganda. Can TL just go back to being about starcraft instead of these phony epeen moral lessons? Seriously, it's getting REALLY old. This place was much better 10 years ago. Guess who pushed us all to self censor and be politically correct? On the other side, we do have some serious issue with youth growing up with a lots of anger. Silencing and censoring people doesn't resolve the root issue of what's wrong.
And who pushed people to self censor and be politically correct? Youth growing up with anger has always been a thing, it will always be a thing so long as parents are overburdened by the responsibilities and stresses of life as they tend to get overloaded with everything.
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On September 26 2020 01:31 Moonsalt wrote:
Who cares? Report them and move on. It's your problem if you take these online insults as personal. Oh and by the way, there's this useful option called "Mature Language Filter". Ever heard of it? You know why it's in every online video game?
It seems like you enjoy hunting these people down by not using the filter. It's as if you enjoy going on forums and farming karma points for your emotional empowerment.
Several people have mentioned this same point about the language filter; even NoNy replied with a very articulate post surrounding blocking chat altogether. However, my OP intentions were not to become an SJW and protest this kind of abusive chat (even though I, and many others, clearly abhor these comments) - I KNOW I can block them. My intentions where to call out the increased and pervasive use of these kinds of racially charged words in video games and understand from empirical standpoint why there is an observable increase in this type of language.
I don't believe the world has become more divided over centuries; in fact, I feel the US, over decades, have become more of a melting pot where race should become less of an issue. I have a brother in an interracial marriage along with many friends. I think the media takes a large role in sensationalizing the use of any derogatory words towards a single race, class, sex, ethnicity etc. My hypothesis, based on the poll and my own belief, is there are some toxic gamers that thrive off that sensationalism. I don't believe this world is becoming more divisive and racist; I think it is something perpetuated by the media and shoved down our throats to the point it emerges in our everyday life. But maybe I'm just a half glass full guy...
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On September 26 2020 05:24 Sigh1022 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 04:25 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:On September 26 2020 04:06 Sigh1022 wrote:
Team liquid used to be a place about starcraft, now it's just a place where it seems like every 2 weeks there is some sort of article that pushes some sort of behavior modification propaganda. Can TL just go back to being about starcraft instead of these phony epeen moral lessons? Seriously, it's getting REALLY old. This place was much better 10 years ago. Guess who pushed us all to self censor and be politically correct? On the other side, we do have some serious issue with youth growing up with a lots of anger. Silencing and censoring people doesn't resolve the root issue of what's wrong. And who pushed people to self censor and be politically correct? Youth growing up with anger has always been a thing, it will always be a thing so long as parents are overburdened by the responsibilities and stresses of life as they tend to get overloaded with everything.
You are totally right about that for youth being angry, and I think that has to do with hormones at teenage years. It was a bit rough for myself for sure. Overtime I've got a lot better with it.
I do recall during my teenage years the rage was much easier to generate.
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Northern Ireland25372 Posts
On September 26 2020 04:06 Sigh1022 wrote:
Team liquid used to be a place about starcraft, now it's just a place where it seems like every 2 weeks there is some sort of article that pushes some sort of behavior modification propaganda. Can TL just go back to being about starcraft instead of these phony epeen moral lessons? Seriously, it's getting REALLY old. This place was much better 10 years ago.
There’s plenty of topics purely about Starcraft. Indeed TL itself is pretty heavily moderated to a level relatively atypical of much of the internet.
Sorry if merely discussing what would constitute desirable behaviour in games offends your delicate sensibilities.
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On September 26 2020 04:06 Sigh1022 wrote:
Team liquid used to be a place about starcraft, now it's just a place where it seems like every 2 weeks there is some sort of article that pushes some sort of behavior modification propaganda. Can TL just go back to being about starcraft instead of these phony epeen moral lessons? Seriously, it's getting REALLY old. This place was much better 10 years ago.
TL has been discussing the use of racial slurs since at least 2012 https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/319018-orb-dismissed-from-evil-geniuses-broadcasts . Somehow I think the one day old account yearning for the olden days of TL is somewhat misinformed.
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It s normal behaviour and totally ok that people show affective bad behaviour, just ignore , not even needed to report. You cant estimate their situation in which they are to say things like that. And you cant demand a global etiquette for cultural individualism. Even though it sometimes seems to be interpreted more heavy than "culture", then it s more of a subculture. And the subculture could be at the edge of law in their country. Which would still be at the edge. You also cant demand to further raise these persons, without stepping into their safespace. On the other hand it could be that they reach yours with these insulting behaviour though.
just press the mute button, or maybe answer with a short help/love sentence, see where it goes, instead of growing more penalties and obstacles for the bad guy with reports, posting it on social media to destroy his identity or make other "counter" behaviours - no show
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Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
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I think it's time for the thread to be moved out of SC2 General. The debate has spiraled towards the wider social problem with racism - which of course merits serious discussion, but is no longer SC2-specific and therefore doesn't belong here.
My guess is that pinky is an academic researcher and we're all his unwitting research guinea pigs 
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On September 26 2020 12:30 t_pure wrote:
It s normal behaviour and totally ok that people show affective bad behaviour, just ignore , not even needed to report. You cant estimate their situation in which they are to say things like that. And you cant demand a global etiquette for cultural individualism. Even though it sometimes seems to be interpreted more heavy than "culture", then it s more of a subculture. And the subculture could be at the edge of law in their country. Which would still be at the edge. You also cant demand to further raise these persons, without stepping into their safespace. On the other hand it could be that they reach yours with these insulting behaviour though.
just press the mute button, or maybe answer with a short help/love sentence, see where it goes, instead of growing more penalties and obstacles for the bad guy with reports, posting it on social media to destroy his identity or make other "counter" behaviours - no show
I'm sorry, this is nonsense. There is no cultural difference that make is OK to drop the n-word on somebody because you are upset that you lost at a video game. You can in fact demand that people not behave so reprehensibly, and you absolutely should do so through the report feature. This conduct is directly detrimental to many peoples ability to enjoy a game, and is clearly a deliberate attempt to hurt someone.
This is what the report button is for. Use it liberally.
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I think it's good that children get exposed to this on the internet at an early age.
The world isn't a bed of roses and it is inimical for children to be over-sheltered and mollycoddled. Better they learn how to deal with this at an early age in an online setting where there really aren't any consequences, than face it in a real life situation in adulthood and are unable to respond properly.
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On September 26 2020 14:18 Pangpootata wrote:
I think it's good that children get exposed to this on the internet at an early age.
The world isn't a bed of roses and it is inimical for children to be over-sheltered and mollycoddled. Better they learn how to deal with this at an early age in an online setting where there really aren't any consequences, than face it in a real life situation in adulthood and are unable to respond properly.
and how do you respond properly? where do you learn that from? online where they get to practice flaming? lol.
racism is a function of generations of education (or in-education).
were it to exist outside of the video game but in an online setting, most of it will get shut down because it is obvious enough.
otherwise, it gets ignored or it doesn't get attention.
grow thicker skin is the most bailed-out response honestly. on an individual basis, you won't predict how it affects a kid's trajectory because of one horrible and unnecessary experience.
"just don't flame each other with slurs" is also not going to happen.
it's just one of those problems that will always exist, like guns, political parties, etc.
in this case, people want to get angry with another person and the only thing they can come up with is the colour of their skin and how it relates to their perceived bias/knowledge of said group of individuals.
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Game chat is pretty ridiculous these days. The best thing I ever did was go into the parental settings on my bnet account and mute chat in its entirety.
No longer do I have to read anything at all in the game, and it sounds like the answer to your problem is the same.
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Yeah, I've come across that:
i mean hell you stereotyping against young white men right there is way the fuck more prejudiced than someone like me saying nigger a few times
is a quote is from an existing mod, so it's not entirely wrong to say it used to be a little different.
Another good one:
as long as retards like you think my posts are bad i can be assured i'm doing something right
fuck yourself you pigheaded halfwit
After reading it, I understood a lot about why TL is like it is.
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Keeping your cool no matter how hurtful the insult hurled against you could mean a world of a difference. For you, your team, and your entire nation.
Ask Zidane...
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On September 26 2020 00:48 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2020 18:43 Arceus wrote:
We all went through the gaming phase when we used every horrible word in any kind of language to insult people and vent.
Is that ok? Maybe not by the current American woke standard, maybe yes in some certain countries and settings, I'm not sure. However, I find it quite essential for the online gaming experience of a boy growing up. I would raise eyebrows but not really mind if my boy behaves that way in CSGOGO 10 years later, I was there before. In what way is hate speech essential to the gaming experience? I can't believe I'm even having to ask this question by the way.
I get where you come from but not everything is "hate speech" where I live. Those can be considered "boys banter", or "toilet chat", or trashtalk in general.
I don't recommend it cuz I'm 30 now but I find it normal if my kid does it in-game. Play games, get competitive, rage, vent, have fun etc. It's the same as getting in a fight in classes, do stupid stuff and learn things.
And I sure as hell will teach my children to not be offended by everything single word in the dictionary.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 26 2020 18:07 RKC wrote:
Keeping your cool no matter how hurtful the insult hurled against you could mean a world of a difference. For you, your team, and your entire nation.
Ask Zidane...
Zidane wasn't offended via anonymous user on the internets.
Edit> What's this doing in SC2 general now is beyond my recognition, it moved so far from SC2 as possible.
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