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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2020 12:16 Emnjay808 wrote:
Governor of Hawaii still waiting for things to get worse before he institutes a curfew or tourism ban.
I fucking hate how stupid he is. Grow some fucking balls.
We just had two cruise ships dock in the island of Oahu. THAT IS NOT OKAY. We’re told that no one is allowed to leave the ship but that still doesn’t make things safer for everyone living on the island.
Holy fucking shit I’m fucking livid honestly.
Also:
I get the toilet paper jokes here are mostly satire but I wouldn’t worry about there being a nation outage (in the US at least). I work in a distribution company in Hawaii and there is PLENTY in the paper category. The outages you see are mostly on a retail level. But as far as manufacturing and distribution logistics goes, it’s still fine. It’s the hoarders that are disrupting the consistent flow to the shelves. So there’s a bottleneck created by getting it from the warehouses and to the stores. Truck drivers are working extreme overtime to mitigate this spike in demand. I’m only speaking to that of Hawaii, I guess. Things might be different on the mainland. It takes 6-8 weeks by container ships and we’re still well-stocked. Just getting it to the stores is the problem.
I just want to mention that we have here (according to our politicians who are not exactlyu trustworthy) full storages as well. Yet there are towns which don't have anything to sell, becase thje public health office locked them into quarantine and suppliers don't have the protection to supply such towns.
So please, if you work at some supplier, please, try to get some protective gear in case something like this happens.
Currently nobody is supplying these towns(because nobody has the protective things as they're massively being dumped into medicial facilities)
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Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k.
Here: https://www.bing.com/covid
Also, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country?
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Maybe the real medicine is vodka ? :D
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On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country?
as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures.
not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there
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Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other.
Edit: I mean politically. Not everyone is gonna die.
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On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there
I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus.
I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it.
On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other.
I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild.
Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope: For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that.
i believe the message was that EU as an organizaation will not survive
Edit> now i see the edit 
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On March 20 2020 19:20 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. i believe the message was that EU as an organizaation will not survive
Sure, but why wouldn't it? It survived 2008 even though there wasn't a virus but I've not read any specific reasons why it can't this time. So why?
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On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope: For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that.
Yeah it's good to be optimistic. I just can't atm. I'm 40 in a couple of months, smoker with some lung problems, lots of friends and family with diabetes, recovered from cancer, crohns, etc. Actively seeing most people not giving a shit for the last 2 weeks, was a mind changing experience for me. Take care.
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On March 20 2020 19:27 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. Yeah it's good to be optimistic. I just can't atm. I'm 40 in a couple of months, smoker with some lung problems, lots of friends and family with diabetes, recovered from cancer, crohns, etc. Actively seeing most people not giving a shit for the last 2 weeks, was a mind changing experience for me. Take care.
No, I'm concerned about coronavirus for multiple of reasons (pneumonia, deaths and economy to name a few). I'm just optimistic we can do this. We've survived millions of years as a species, so we can't surrender to some shitty coronavirus which isn't even strong as Spanish flu (already overcome). 
It will take time, but we'll destroy coronavirus!
Edit: I think handling viruses in the future will become more difficult as population grows (possibly density of people as a side-effect in some areas). Infections could become easier, so I hope medicine is improved significantly by that time.
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On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that.
Hmmm yeah, so think about this, what those numbers show is that more than 10% of ended cases end with death. I saw those numbers few days ago and didnt spend time to understand where the difference with the 2 to 5% that is usually sold by the media comes from, if anyone here has an answer...
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2020 19:23 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:20 deacon.frost wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. i believe the message was that EU as an organizaation will not survive Sure, but why wouldn't it? It survived 2008 even though there wasn't a virus but I've not read any specific reasons why it can't this time. So why?
Because when this crisis hit EU every country was for their own. Not as a united Europe but every. country. on. their. own.
THis is a big hit into the EU vision and can shatter the EU. See Czech Republic - the biggest help we got was from China and Russia. The EU only critised our border closing.
This has the potential to kill the EU. I like your optimism though.
On March 20 2020 19:45 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. Hmmm yeah, so think about this, what those numbers show is that more than 10% of ended cases end with death. I saw those numbers few days ago and didnt spend time to understand where the difference with the 2 to 5% that is usually sold by the media comes from, if anyone here has an answer...
It takes longer to recover than to die so the mortality rate is counted as dead_cases/confirmed_cases. Once it's fully over it can be measured better. Think about it this way - you're almost recovered, you're way pass the dying phase yet you are not part of the recovered number simply because there are still valid remains of the virus inside of you.
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Ok that makes sense, thank you. But still, that means the death ratio must be underestimated, but not as much as I thought.
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Northern Ireland26359 Posts
On March 20 2020 19:33 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:27 r00ty wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. Yeah it's good to be optimistic. I just can't atm. I'm 40 in a couple of months, smoker with some lung problems, lots of friends and family with diabetes, recovered from cancer, crohns, etc. Actively seeing most people not giving a shit for the last 2 weeks, was a mind changing experience for me. Take care. No, I'm concerned about coronavirus for multiple of reasons (pneumonia, deaths and economy to name a few). I'm just optimistic we can do this. We've survived millions of years as a species, so we can't surrender to some shitty coronavirus which isn't even strong as Spanish flu (already overcome). It will take time, but we'll destroy coronavirus! Edit: I think handling viruses in the future will become more difficult as population grows (possibly density of people as a side-effect in some areas). Infections could become easier, so I hope medicine is improved significantly by that time.
If people would get their collective shit together we’d be fine. We had huge gatherings like the Cheltenham Festival going on while other European countries were in quarantine states. Then we’ve got hoarders, and people swiftly trying to scam the vulnerable out of money, politicians insider trading and dispensing different advice to their elite donors than the public etc etc. Real failures of any coordinated European policy on this, one of the theoretical strengths of having such a union in the first place... I mean the list of severely aggravating things goes on.
On the plus side people are in general acting kinder here, volunteers are doing shopping for the elderly, people are vigorously washing hands and sick people aren’t going to work. People who aren’t severely ill or injured also aren’t clogging up emergency rooms and treatment rooms. Perhaps if this drags out long enough some of these trends may become a bit more ingrained in people and carry through to the resumption of normality.
I don’t worry too much about densely populated areas so much as how many people feel pressured or are obligated to go to work when they’re sick.
If I was to be worried about any upcoming health crisis it would be widespread antibiotic resistance but I’m sure we’ll have a thread for that if it becomes a huge issue!
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On March 20 2020 19:47 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:23 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 19:20 deacon.frost wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. i believe the message was that EU as an organizaation will not survive Sure, but why wouldn't it? It survived 2008 even though there wasn't a virus but I've not read any specific reasons why it can't this time. So why? Because when this crisis hit EU every country was for their own. Not as a united Europe but every. country. on. their. own. THis is a big hit into the EU vision and can shatter the EU. See Czech Republic - the biggest help we got was from China and Russia. The EU only critised our border closing. This has the potential to kill the EU. I like your optimism though. Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:45 Furikawari wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. Hmmm yeah, so think about this, what those numbers show is that more than 10% of ended cases end with death. I saw those numbers few days ago and didnt spend time to understand where the difference with the 2 to 5% that is usually sold by the media comes from, if anyone here has an answer... It takes longer to recover than to die so the mortality rate is counted as dead_cases/confirmed_cases. Once it's fully over it can be measured better. Think about it this way - you're almost recovered, you're way pass the dying phase yet you are not part of the recovered number simply because there are still valid remains of the virus inside of you.
It (still) takes way too long for some EU laws to actually do something and get accepted by everyone and so on. So this seems logical to make the chain of command faster. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Now for the economy, that is a whole different horse
I HAVE to go shopping today. Tried to avoid it as long as possible. I don't have shit at home anymore. I tell you, I am afraid of the crazies that awaits me. Not afraid of empty isles, but afraid of people bashing my head in because I have something in my cart they want or sth ^^'
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2020 19:56 Furikawari wrote:
Ok that makes sense, thank you. But still, that means the death ratio must be underestimated, but not as much as I thought.
On the other hand we don't know tghe number of infected people either. I wouldn't look too much into it, it's a number that says what it says.
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Northern Ireland26359 Posts
On March 20 2020 20:01 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:47 deacon.frost wrote:On March 20 2020 19:23 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 19:20 deacon.frost wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. i believe the message was that EU as an organizaation will not survive Sure, but why wouldn't it? It survived 2008 even though there wasn't a virus but I've not read any specific reasons why it can't this time. So why? Because when this crisis hit EU every country was for their own. Not as a united Europe but every. country. on. their. own. THis is a big hit into the EU vision and can shatter the EU. See Czech Republic - the biggest help we got was from China and Russia. The EU only critised our border closing. This has the potential to kill the EU. I like your optimism though. On March 20 2020 19:45 Furikawari wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. Hmmm yeah, so think about this, what those numbers show is that more than 10% of ended cases end with death. I saw those numbers few days ago and didnt spend time to understand where the difference with the 2 to 5% that is usually sold by the media comes from, if anyone here has an answer... It takes longer to recover than to die so the mortality rate is counted as dead_cases/confirmed_cases. Once it's fully over it can be measured better. Think about it this way - you're almost recovered, you're way pass the dying phase yet you are not part of the recovered number simply because there are still valid remains of the virus inside of you. It (still) takes way too long for some EU laws to actually do something and get accepted by everyone and so on. So this seems logical to make the chain of command faster. I wouldn't read too much into it. Now for the economy, that is a whole different horse I HAVE to go shopping today. Tried to avoid it as long as possible. I don't have shit at home anymore. I tell you, I am afraid of the crazies that awaits me. Not afraid of empty isles, but afraid of people bashing my head in because I have something in my cart they want or sth ^^'
It’s really not too crazy, least over here. The crazies are the hoarder types but they’ve done a lot of their hoarding already, my store is back to semi-normality at least in terms of how the public are behaving.
The EU doesn’t have to make laws to be useful here, just have it’s member states coordinate better, send aid where required (Italy for one), put on a united front etc. Pure symbolism sure but material showing European leaders or at least health ministers in meetings, even over Skype or whatever, ‘we’re in this together’ has been rather conspicuous in its absence.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2020 20:01 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 19:47 deacon.frost wrote:On March 20 2020 19:23 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 19:20 deacon.frost wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:On March 20 2020 18:59 Geo.Rion wrote:On March 20 2020 18:48 SC-Shield wrote:Massive spike in the US or just more testing? I remember reading yesterday about 10-11k cases and today I see 14k. Here: https://www.bing.com/covidAlso, I feel like Russia is hiding real data. Just 200 cases for such a big country? as discussed previously they were among the first to ban travel to china and take other measures. not saying they arent cooking the numbers, but maybe it indeed isnt as bad there I remember reading that here but I still don't trust their reported cases. It just seems too few for such an infectious virus. I also don't trust Japan's numbers too. Are Russia and Japan handling this much better than South Korea? I've not heard they've done something more, so I doubt it. On March 20 2020 19:06 r00ty wrote:
Never panic, but after talking to friends and family a lot yesterday, I'm worried: The supply chain is a lot weaker than we are expecting and being told. Essential wokers are not protected. People didn't understand and Italy will be everywhere. Triage will be everywhere. Worst economy crash in history.
The EU might not survive this, we're not able to help each other. I'm more optimistic than you are. We've survived this crazy flu called Spanish flu, maybe not in our lifetime but we did as human beings. We'll survive coronavirus and we'll rebuild. Also, this data gives me hope:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. i believe the message was that EU as an organizaation will not survive Sure, but why wouldn't it? It survived 2008 even though there wasn't a virus but I've not read any specific reasons why it can't this time. So why? Because when this crisis hit EU every country was for their own. Not as a united Europe but every. country. on. their. own. THis is a big hit into the EU vision and can shatter the EU. See Czech Republic - the biggest help we got was from China and Russia. The EU only critised our border closing. This has the potential to kill the EU. I like your optimism though. On March 20 2020 19:45 Furikawari wrote:On March 20 2020 19:09 SC-Shield wrote:
Active cases
147,139
Recovered cases
88,450
Fatal cases
10,052
For some people it's probably not good enough, but I'm happy to see so many recovered cases. Hopefully we can increase ratio in favour of that. Hmmm yeah, so think about this, what those numbers show is that more than 10% of ended cases end with death. I saw those numbers few days ago and didnt spend time to understand where the difference with the 2 to 5% that is usually sold by the media comes from, if anyone here has an answer... It takes longer to recover than to die so the mortality rate is counted as dead_cases/confirmed_cases. Once it's fully over it can be measured better. Think about it this way - you're almost recovered, you're way pass the dying phase yet you are not part of the recovered number simply because there are still valid remains of the virus inside of you. It (still) takes way too long for some EU laws to actually do something and get accepted by everyone and so on. So this seems logical to make the chain of command faster. I wouldn't read too much into it. Now for the economy, that is a whole different horse I HAVE to go shopping today. Tried to avoid it as long as possible. I don't have shit at home anymore. I tell you, I am afraid of the crazies that awaits me. Not afraid of empty isles, but afraid of people bashing my head in because I have something in my cart they want or sth ^^'
The EU thing is more about politics, so we should probably take it away  EU is in the phase of creating a federation and right in the middle. So it's slow, it's beaurocratic as hell. EIther thisu will hasten the federation process or revert it into the economic union it was before. I fear the revert isn't possible and many will be against federalization.
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On March 20 2020 20:01 Harris1st wrote:
I HAVE to go shopping today. Tried to avoid it as long as possible. I don't have shit at home anymore. I tell you, I am afraid of the crazies that awaits me. Not afraid of empty isles, but afraid of people bashing my head in because I have something in my cart they want or sth ^^'
Stores are usually least populated weekdays after 9am and before lunch break or in the early afternoon after lunch break. If your schedule allows it try to avoid Friday and Saturday as those are the most popular days. Asian stores are also a good choice because people are irrational and avoid them. Right now though there is a high likelihood that a curfew will be in place on Monday so people will probably panic buy next week.
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On March 20 2020 20:26 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2020 20:01 Harris1st wrote:
I HAVE to go shopping today. Tried to avoid it as long as possible. I don't have shit at home anymore. I tell you, I am afraid of the crazies that awaits me. Not afraid of empty isles, but afraid of people bashing my head in because I have something in my cart they want or sth ^^' Stores are usually least populated weekdays after 9am and before lunch break or in the early afternoon after lunch break. If your schedule allows it try to avoid Friday and Saturday as those are the most popular days. Asian stores are also a good choice because people are irrational and avoid them. Right now though there is a high likelihood that a curfew will be in place on Monday so people will probably panic buy next week.
When you say curfew, is that even stricter than lockdown at the moment? So no going to shop too, just delivery?
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