EPTRight now people can still be outside at any hour because of "legitimate" reasons. At least in Belgium.
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
Right now people can still be outside at any hour because of "legitimate" reasons. At least in Belgium. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On March 20 2020 20:31 SC-Shield wrote: When you say curfew, is that even stricter than lockdown at the moment? So no going to shop too, just delivery? Well, not sure about Germany, our head of things says we will be able to go out with a valid thing, so maybe the French(??) model where you write in advance where you go and what for when the police checks you? And if this written statement isn't valid you get into troubles? Because Czech delivery services with food have like 4-day long queue and it's growing. I just checked and there are free spots for delivery(it's working 7 days in week, 8-20) on Tuesday, I believe today is Friday  Edit> and we can still go shopping ourselves, with a proper curfew people will get hungry pretty fast. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On March 20 2020 20:31 SC-Shield wrote: When you say curfew, is that even stricter than lockdown at the moment? So no going to shop too, just delivery? Restrictions like in Italy. Only allowed to leave the house to go to work, shop for essentials (food) or other essential things like visiting the doctor. I was only speaking for Germany btw. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria893 Posts
On March 20 2020 20:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Restrictions like in Italy. Only allowed to leave the house to go to work, shop for essentials (food) or other essential things like visiting the doctor. I was only speaking for Germany btw. Ah, ok. Officially in the media they call it "lockdown" or at least media I visit, so I thought you already had lockdown and you're transitioning to something harsher (curfew). Ok, we've had these restrictions in Bulgaria since last Friday-Saturday. It's until 29 March for us, but I think there's a high chance it's going to be extended as we still get 8-14 coronavirus cases daily, which isn't as many as Italy but still not good enough. Right now politicians are considering to convert sport centres to hospitals in case of emergency. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5232 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On March 20 2020 20:01 Harris1st wrote: It (still) takes way too long for some EU laws to actually do something and get accepted by everyone and so on. So this seems logical to make the chain of command faster. I wouldn't read too much into it. Now for the economy, that is a whole different horse I HAVE to go shopping today. Tried to avoid it as long as possible. I don't have shit at home anymore. I tell you, I am afraid of the crazies that awaits me. Not afraid of empty isles, but afraid of people bashing my head in because I have something in my cart they want or sth ^^' Best time to go shopping imo is tuesday-thursday. Was yesterday and apart from people being too close to each other it was fine and mostly restocked. Didn't look for TP though cause we still have a pack at home. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On March 20 2020 20:48 Uldridge wrote: Basically we have to act like China did. This means 2 months of quarantined regions. The measures to the end of March or beginning of April are carefully optimistic measure to ease the people into the fact theyll probably have to be uneasy/suffering for quite a bit longer. We can't, we missed this opportunity. So, what China did was to lockdown one province and location related to it or where people from this province travelled. The rest of China was supporting this paralyzed province while keeping some restrictions to themselves. (feel free to fix this China TLers) How do you want to do this in Europe? Or in Italy? I can't see this happening to the Czech Republic, we have corona in every major town now and in every province(? not sure if it's the correct term). If we adopt the China solution there's no one who can support those in quarantine. And it's not like EU can support us now. Can you be more specific? | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria893 Posts
On March 20 2020 21:01 deacon.frost wrote: We can't, we missed this opportunity. So, what China did was to lockdown one province and location related to it or where people from this province travelled. The rest of China was supporting this paralyzed province while keeping some restrictions to themselves. (feel free to fix this China TLers) How do you want to do this in Europe? Or in Italy? I can't see this happening to the Czech Republic, we have corona in every major town now and in every province(? not sure if it's the correct term). If we adopt the China solution there's no one who can support those in quarantine. And it's not like EU can support us now. Can you be more specific? Just lockdown period, so you're limited to - going to supermarket and pharmacy - going to work At all other times, stay at home. Hopefully going for a short walk is allowed so we don't lose our minds. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On March 20 2020 21:04 SC-Shield wrote: Just lockdown period, so you're limited to - going to supermarket and pharmacy - going to work At all other times, stay at home. Hopefully going for a short walk is allowed so we don't lose our minds. Bavaria did put a "lockdown" in place where groups of people are prohibited. According to the press conference, you can go for a jog or walk no problem though. Albeit without getting to close to others. Whether you are supposed not to walk hand in hand with your partner idk. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria893 Posts
On March 20 2020 21:13 Artisreal wrote: Bavaria did put a "lockdown" in place where groups of people are prohibited. According to the press conference, you can go for a jog or walk no problem though. Albeit without getting to close to others. Whether you are supposed not to walk hand in hand with your partner idk. If you can't do that, it will be a false measure anyway because they probably kiss at home. It's also funny when I see partners and only one of them has a a mask. This protection is as strong as the weakest link, so if one is infected, the other one might also be. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24391 Posts
Also our medical drama TV shows have had to deliver their medical supply props (they are real gowns, gloves, masks, etc...) to local hospitals. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria893 Posts
On March 20 2020 21:28 GreenHorizons wrote: I know masks are needed for medical professionals but shouldn't we all (where there is a lot of community spread) be wearing them since we can spread it while not symptomatic? Also our medical drama TV shows have had to deliver their medical supply props (they are real gowns, gloves, masks, etc...) to local hospitals. I don't wear mask at the moment because I'm in my late 20s, so I consider coronavirus to be lower risk for me, especially that I don't have underlying health problems as far as I'm aware. If that saves a mask for a medical person or an older person, then I think I'm doing a good job. Also, UK's herd immunity sort of makes sense, but it's best if we don't play so risky to expose so many people to a life/death situation. | ||
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Sharkies
Hong Kong92 Posts
On March 20 2020 21:01 deacon.frost wrote: We can't, we missed this opportunity. So, what China did was to lockdown one province and location related to it or where people from this province travelled. The rest of China was supporting this paralyzed province while keeping some restrictions to themselves. (feel free to fix this China TLers) How do you want to do this in Europe? Or in Italy? I can't see this happening to the Czech Republic, we have corona in every major town now and in every province(? not sure if it's the correct term). If we adopt the China solution there's no one who can support those in quarantine. And it's not like EU can support us now. Can you be more specific? Just my two cents on this: - Hubei (the province where Wuhan is) went into complete lockdown end January. This literally meant everyone at home (no work, no shopping, outside exercise for one hour per week or something along those lines). - Other parts of China = severely discouraged travel. Numerous teams tracing all known contacts of any identified cases and putting those contacts into mandatory forcible quarantine (i.e. not just asking people politely). This type of quarantine is going to be very difficult for most of Europe and North America to emulate because: (a) different attitudes towards individual freedoms (b) different attitudes (particularly in Europe) towards data privacy and data protection (a big part of the reason why mega tech companies exist only in the US and China) (c) lack of logistics to support a large scale quarantine (China moved towards the online shopping and delivery model far more than most other countries) (d) inability to source medical assistance on a large scale (the rest of China sent 30,000 doctors and countless medical supplies to Wuhan...this would be equivalent to the rest of Europe sending a lot of their doctors and medical supplies to northern Italy about three weeks ago to quell the source in Europe before it could spread) I wouldn't say we missed the opportunity. Having seen the China situation managed from that part of the world, I'll just say that it will take a change of attitude amongst a lot of the population in Europe and North America to contain the virus. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
A mask on an infected patient is a lot more effective than a mask on everyone else. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24391 Posts
On March 20 2020 21:57 Firebolt145 wrote: Masks, unless fitted properly, cause the issue where you're more likely to touch your face to adjust them and in so doing raise your risk of infection. A mask on an infected patient is a lot more effective than a mask on everyone else. There are thousands of asymptomatic people infecting others and they should be (properly) wearing a mask (if the world wasn't so unprepared), no? | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
The whole way through the crisis, it's been true that making masks mandatory would reduce the spread, but we've never been able to do it because the masks themselves don't exist in the numbers needed. Asian countries have done much better at this because a lot more people habitually own and wear masks anyway. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22664 Posts
Wearing masks is much more normal in Asia so they had a much bigger supply to use. In the West we need what masks we have for critical personal. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24391 Posts
On March 20 2020 22:13 Belisarius wrote: That's correct except that most western countries barely have enough masks for critical medical personnel as it is. The whole way through the crisis, it's been true that making masks mandatory would reduce the spread, but we've never been able to do it because the masks themselves don't exist in the numbers needed. Asian countries have done much better at this because a lot more people habitually own and wear masks anyway. Should I sell the ones I have to the closest hospital instead of neighbors then? $5 each (cost ~$0.60 for me) sound fair? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22664 Posts
On March 20 2020 22:21 GreenHorizons wrote: How about simply giving them away...Should I sell the ones I have to the closest hospital instead of neighbors then? $5 each (cost ~$0.60 for me) sound fair? | ||
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