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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
June 30 2022 14:12 GMT
#12161
On June 30 2022 22:46 Magic Powers wrote:
For those who like to speak facts and not personal opinions, the following survey is quite recent.
Most Americans are still concerned. 40% still wear masks.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/axios-ipsos-coronavirus-index


Wow, that actually surprises me. Just going about my daily life in my area I would have easily put it at less than 5% of people. Admittedly I'm not in California or New York, but I am in a liberal leaning city (Charlotte).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
June 30 2022 14:35 GMT
#12162
Working from home was a sensible, life-improving change for many people that was ‘not viable’ but hey was actually viable.

Of all the changes Covid brought I’m alright if that one sticks around

As per COVID in my locale, purely anecdotally seems a lot more are coming down with it recently.

There’s a considerably more laissez faire attitude in general, which I think is to be expected to some degree. It’s not particularly helped when those who do wish to take it seriously don’t get a mandated isolation period anymore.

It’s either be responsible and take a hit on your wages or come in and potentially spread it about.

And especially with this cost of living crisis people outright can’t afford that.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
June 30 2022 15:27 GMT
#12163
I think every person I know first hand, that had Covid, in the last like 3 months were vaxxed and boostered; including me. So I don't know if we can really say "oh, they are all vaxxed, so it is fine"... even for "seriousness" of Covid. I know of everything from a little fever and headache for a day (me...) to 3 days in the hospital. (she is fine; just saw her on Monday, dancing away). Most stay at home and have some coughs for a week. There must be other factors!

But about seriousness:
On June 30 2022 18:53 BlackJack wrote:
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone get intubated with COVID since omicron became the dominant strain. It’s like a whole different disease. A lot of sources say 2/3rds of COVID hospital admissions are there for another problem and they just happen to have COVID. I honestly think it’s even higher than that.

Don't know other reasons. But here in Germany we have the DIVI! And they have quite accurate numbers of Covid patients in hospitals:
> https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/laendertabelle
One thing they also show is how many of those have to be ventilated. And during the "dark times", if I looked there the ventilated% was always >50-60%! Now - look - it is about 30%! That is much lower!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 30 2022 19:49 GMT
#12164
On July 01 2022 00:27 Geisterkarle wrote:
I think every person I know first hand, that had Covid, in the last like 3 months were vaxxed and boostered; including me. So I don't know if we can really say "oh, they are all vaxxed, so it is fine"... even for "seriousness" of Covid. I know of everything from a little fever and headache for a day (me...) to 3 days in the hospital. (she is fine; just saw her on Monday, dancing away). Most stay at home and have some coughs for a week. There must be other factors!

But about seriousness:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2022 18:53 BlackJack wrote:
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone get intubated with COVID since omicron became the dominant strain. It’s like a whole different disease. A lot of sources say 2/3rds of COVID hospital admissions are there for another problem and they just happen to have COVID. I honestly think it’s even higher than that.

Don't know other reasons. But here in Germany we have the DIVI! And they have quite accurate numbers of Covid patients in hospitals:
> https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/laendertabelle
One thing they also show is how many of those have to be ventilated. And during the "dark times", if I looked there the ventilated% was always >50-60%! Now - look - it is about 30%! That is much lower!


Those numbers don’t even make sense to me. The CDC/Kaiser study from earlier this year tracked 52,000+ patients with omicron. Of those 52k, 225 were admitted to the hospital. Of those 225 not a single one required ventilation. Not sure how you’re anywhere near 30% requiring ventilation.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
July 02 2022 01:38 GMT
#12165
On June 30 2022 05:54 Lmui wrote:
Well I've been to a wedding, probably 90% of my friends have caught covid despite 3x boosters. Some (including me) have had rough times with the recovery, with some of the symptoms including fatigue, and a cough taking weeks to a month+ to subside. It's definitely still something to worry about, even as a group of ~30 year olds. We're hoping that it'll be quicker to tune boosters for variants, since we'll pretty much all grab it as soon as it's available this fall. Covid is not a disease than any of us are eager to catch again.

Basically though, we're all back to normal, but very cautious about proactively telling people if we're sick and bailing on activities if we're sick.

I can definitely relate to you. My wife and I worked in the hospital through the entire pandemic, never got it due to diligent PPE use. We both went to a wedding last week and came back with covid. Overall illness is mild but I do hate the cough.

I'm pretty much treating it like the flu now that hospital census is ok in my region and I'm vaccinated.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 02 2022 07:01 GMT
#12166
Most of the people I know who caught COVID the earliest (since almost everyone I know has caught it) are those who travel and socialise the most, even got jabbed the earliest and most times and religiously abide to SOPs (mask, social-distancing, etc). The exceptional few who have not caught COVID are elderly relatives who continue to isolate at home in fear of the virus and only really go out for essentials and family celebrations (birthdays, anniversary). Oh, and they happen to be rather vaccine-sceptic at first and were slowest to get jabbed.

You can disregard that as anecdotal or question my bona fide, whatever, not going to respond to such stuff anymore (never quite did anyway).

That's my experience, and the experiences of my close friends. It is what it is. Your mileage might vary where you are, but I'm just stating as a fact of where I am.

gg no re thx
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-02 09:37:46
July 02 2022 09:32 GMT
#12167
Head of WHO Europe calls for ‘urgent action’ to stop the spread as Monkeypox cases in Europe triple since June 15.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/01/who-says-monkeypox-cases-triple-in-europe-in-two-weeks-urgent-action-needed-to-contain-spread.html


The World Health Organization on Friday warned that urgent action is needed to contain the spread of monkeypox in Europe, as cases have tripled over the past two weeks.

Henri Kluge, the head of WHO Europe, called on governments to ramp efforts to prevent monkeypox from establishing itself on the continent, warning that time is of the essence.

“Urgent and coordinated action is imperative if we are to turn a corner in the race to reverse the ongoing spread of this disease,” Kluge said.

Future restrictions are more likely to come from the Monkeypox outbreak than covid.Hopefully they aren’t too restrictive, the economy and supply chains are already in bad shape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 02 2022 12:14 GMT
#12168
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
July 03 2022 09:54 GMT
#12169
Australia just dropped vaccination requirements for overseas (non-citizen) arrivals.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/coronavirus/australian-covid-19-border-restrictions-and-vaccine-mandates-dropped-for-international-travellers-c-7390446


Australia will lift all COVID-19 restrictions at its international borders from midnight on Wednesday. Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil on Sunday revealed the nation’s Digital Passenger Declaration, used to assess travellers’ vaccination status, would be scrapped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 03 2022 10:27 GMT
#12170
no one cares here.
no masks since march; every now and then(some months apart) people/coworkers cough about, one day someone, after 3-4 days other ones, and so on, until it dies out. everything is treated as a regular flu.

there's no way they(gov.) can pull what they pulled with covid, with monkeypox. people will flipthefuckout; with the inflation and the recession and the gas prices and the food prices etcetcetc ... no way. you(officials) telling me to stay put and quarantine ... get the fuck out. i need to go out and swindle goods, make money, feed my peers.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
July 17 2022 01:00 GMT
#12171
Shouldn’t have surprised anyone who reads vaccine anecdotes from women but a new study has confirmed period irregularities in 42% of women who took the jabs.

Most returned to normal but hopefully their cycle wasn’t further affected if they were planning on taking a booster every three months.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/study-shows-that-covid19-jabs-affect-menstrual-cycles/news-story/fca7cc75b3904e7e3046918103768d09


Around 42 percent of those who had regular menstrual cycles had bled more heavily than usual after they were vaccinated, while 44 percent reported no change after being vaccinated. A much smaller proportion of people experienced lighter periods.

• Participants who typically do not menstruate because they are menopausal or take reversible contraceptives or gender affirming hormones also experienced breakthrough bleeding.

• Those who bled heavier than usual after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine were likely to be older, identify as Latino or Hispanic, or have pre-existing conditions such as endometriosis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-17 15:37:59
July 17 2022 15:35 GMT
#12172
Oh wow so we're taking boosters every 3 months now? I was under the impression we we'regoing to be getting them every 6 months before. I bet getting covid itself also disrupts your cyle, sometimes permanently.

There have only been 3 shots available to gen pop. The only people that have been able to get a 4th have been people too old to have children anymore.

Ba5 looks like it's going to be a really bad one for the unvaccinated. I doubt the vaccinated have the sympathy for them anymore to try and protect them.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
July 17 2022 15:48 GMT
#12173
I find it uplifting that this research is taking place.
Usually women's issues are swept under the rug. They also state in the paper that this is not representative of overall population:
Data used in these analyses are unable to represent population prevalence of postvaccine menstrual changes

Source
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-23 19:10:45
July 23 2022 18:52 GMT
#12174
The WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declares monkeypox a PHEIC (Public Health Emergency of International Concern). There's not yet a consensus in the WHO on his call. The risk is considered moderate to high (the latter in Europe).
The number of cases has reached ~16 000.

https://www.who.int/news/item/23-07-2022-second-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-(ihr)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-multi-country-outbreak-of-monkeypox

My stance remains unchanged. The WHO is treating this situation with far too little urgency. It's not only relevant what is being observed on the ground, but also what could unfold as a result of inaction, as demonstrated by the covid outbreak, which could've been prevented with transparency and rapid early measures. The window of opportunity to make absolutely sure this doesn't get completely out of control is closing and the WHO is gambling with people's health with their indecision.


Edit: the director-general has overruled the panel.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/544505-just-in-who-declares-monkeypox-global-emergency.html
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
July 24 2022 14:40 GMT
#12175
I feel like its sad when the panel on WHO seem to have given up on caution facing uncertainty in favor of ??? capitalism?

I don't understand, we are still having lived experiences with COVID
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 24 2022 15:07 GMT
#12176
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-24 22:21:53
July 24 2022 22:15 GMT
#12177
On July 24 2022 23:40 BlueBird. wrote:
I feel like its sad when the panel on WHO seem to have given up on caution facing uncertainty in favor of ??? capitalism?

I don't understand, we are still having lived experiences with COVID

16,000 cases, how many deaths? Zero outside Africa?
Someone has to come clean because we were told by the news that Monkeypox had a death rate of 1-3%.Clearly that is not the case, fake news.

Should have stuck with the WHO boards decision.If people actually start dying from it then reconsider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 24 2022 22:32 GMT
#12178
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
July 25 2022 05:29 GMT
#12179
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.

Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 25 2022 13:33 GMT
#12180
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