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On July 25 2022 14:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.
Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior.
The main reason for taking it easy would be "crying wolf". If emergencies are thrown around, people and governments might not care when it actually matters.
I have read that with the latest strains of COVID, the vaccines are now completely ineffective at preventing mild sympthoms and infection. I assume there is still some prevention of serious illness.
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I finally got covid :3 Lets see what this has all been about! Girlfriend and I are both positive so we get to be hermits for a while.
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On July 26 2022 00:30 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2022 14:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.
Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior. The main reason for taking it easy would be "crying wolf". If emergencies are thrown around, people and governments might not care when it actually matters. I have read that with the latest strains of COVID, the vaccines are now completely ineffective at preventing mild sympthoms and infection. I assume there is still some prevention of serious illness.
Even the belief they prevent serious illness is very questionable now.Biden has had four covid jabs and still had to be treated with paxlovid.
The vaccines were initially sold as a Ferrari but have eventually been shown to be more a broken down Ford Pinto.
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On July 26 2022 21:05 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2022 00:30 Slydie wrote:On July 25 2022 14:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.
Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior. The main reason for taking it easy would be "crying wolf". If emergencies are thrown around, people and governments might not care when it actually matters. I have read that with the latest strains of COVID, the vaccines are now completely ineffective at preventing mild sympthoms and infection. I assume there is still some prevention of serious illness. Even the belief they prevent serious illness is very questionable now.Biden has had four covid jabs and still had to be treated with paxlovid. The vaccines were initially sold as a Ferrari but have eventually been shown to be more a broken down Ford Pinto.
Biden is a fairly close to a prime example of a high risk patient - and on top of that he is the President. No matter what, the moment he tested positive he was going to be prescribed paxlovid regardless of number of vaccinations. Frankly, his position alone would be enough.
Further, if you want to compare vaccines to cars you should at least get your analogy right. They were sold as being ferraris on the road, however we are now faced with at best a gravel road, but more likely sand dunes. The vaccines haven't gotten worse - the disease has (as expected) mutated. And the newer strains appear to be less virulent (as hoped).
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On July 26 2022 21:26 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2022 21:05 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 26 2022 00:30 Slydie wrote:On July 25 2022 14:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.
Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior. The main reason for taking it easy would be "crying wolf". If emergencies are thrown around, people and governments might not care when it actually matters. I have read that with the latest strains of COVID, the vaccines are now completely ineffective at preventing mild sympthoms and infection. I assume there is still some prevention of serious illness. Even the belief they prevent serious illness is very questionable now.Biden has had four covid jabs and still had to be treated with paxlovid. The vaccines were initially sold as a Ferrari but have eventually been shown to be more a broken down Ford Pinto. Biden is a fairly close to a prime example of a high risk patient - and on top of that he is the President. No matter what, the moment he tested positive he was going to be prescribed paxlovid regardless of number of vaccinations. Frankly, his position alone would be enough. Further, if you want to compare vaccines to cars you should at least get your analogy right. They were sold as being ferraris on the road, however we are now faced with at best a gravel road, but more likely sand dunes. The vaccines haven't gotten worse - the disease has (as expected) mutated. And the newer strains appear to be less virulent (as hoped).
No amount of revision in the face of new developments and information seems to dissuade folks from arguing that we were promised infallible vaccines that would eradicate the virus, for some reason.
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On July 26 2022 22:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2022 21:26 Ghostcom wrote:On July 26 2022 21:05 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 26 2022 00:30 Slydie wrote:On July 25 2022 14:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.
Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior. The main reason for taking it easy would be "crying wolf". If emergencies are thrown around, people and governments might not care when it actually matters. I have read that with the latest strains of COVID, the vaccines are now completely ineffective at preventing mild sympthoms and infection. I assume there is still some prevention of serious illness. Even the belief they prevent serious illness is very questionable now.Biden has had four covid jabs and still had to be treated with paxlovid. The vaccines were initially sold as a Ferrari but have eventually been shown to be more a broken down Ford Pinto. Biden is a fairly close to a prime example of a high risk patient - and on top of that he is the President. No matter what, the moment he tested positive he was going to be prescribed paxlovid regardless of number of vaccinations. Frankly, his position alone would be enough. Further, if you want to compare vaccines to cars you should at least get your analogy right. They were sold as being ferraris on the road, however we are now faced with at best a gravel road, but more likely sand dunes. The vaccines haven't gotten worse - the disease has (as expected) mutated. And the newer strains appear to be less virulent (as hoped). No amount of revision in the face of new developments and information seems to dissuade folks from arguing that we were promised infallible vaccines that would eradicate the virus, for some reason.
We were indeed promised incredibly effective vaccines that would end the pandemic. You can look at Biden or Rachel Maddow saying "if you get this vaccine you won't get COVID, it stops it in its tracks" (paraphrasing). Or you can look at Fauci and others repeatedly sounding off on the % we need to hit to get herd immunity and end the pandemic. Fauci was at least honest enough to admit that anytime that we got close to the % he predicted he would purposefully move the goalposts back.
But yes, things change, there are new variants, etc. That's not a knock on the vaccines and their effectiveness against the original strains and it doesn't mean we were being lied to. But it does mean that the places in the world that still require vaccine passports for a vaccine that does very little to stop you from catching and spreading COVID are completely devoid of rational thought.
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On July 27 2022 05:47 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2022 22:01 WombaT wrote:On July 26 2022 21:26 Ghostcom wrote:On July 26 2022 21:05 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 26 2022 00:30 Slydie wrote:On July 25 2022 14:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.
Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior. The main reason for taking it easy would be "crying wolf". If emergencies are thrown around, people and governments might not care when it actually matters. I have read that with the latest strains of COVID, the vaccines are now completely ineffective at preventing mild sympthoms and infection. I assume there is still some prevention of serious illness. Even the belief they prevent serious illness is very questionable now.Biden has had four covid jabs and still had to be treated with paxlovid. The vaccines were initially sold as a Ferrari but have eventually been shown to be more a broken down Ford Pinto. Biden is a fairly close to a prime example of a high risk patient - and on top of that he is the President. No matter what, the moment he tested positive he was going to be prescribed paxlovid regardless of number of vaccinations. Frankly, his position alone would be enough. Further, if you want to compare vaccines to cars you should at least get your analogy right. They were sold as being ferraris on the road, however we are now faced with at best a gravel road, but more likely sand dunes. The vaccines haven't gotten worse - the disease has (as expected) mutated. And the newer strains appear to be less virulent (as hoped). No amount of revision in the face of new developments and information seems to dissuade folks from arguing that we were promised infallible vaccines that would eradicate the virus, for some reason. We were indeed promised incredibly effective vaccines that would end the pandemic. You can look at Biden or Rachel Maddow saying "if you get this vaccine you won't get COVID, it stops it in its tracks" (paraphrasing). Or you can look at Fauci and others repeatedly sounding off on the % we need to hit to get herd immunity and end the pandemic. Fauci was at least honest enough to admit that anytime that we got close to the % he predicted he would purposefully move the goalposts back. But yes, things change, there are new variants, etc. That's not a knock on the vaccines and their effectiveness against the original strains and it doesn't mean we were being lied to. But it does mean that the places in the world that still require vaccine passports for a vaccine that does very little to stop you from catching and spreading COVID are completely devoid of rational thought.
There were some very dubious half-lies when the vaccines were hyped up in the beginning. For example, the very high protection of over 90% were released after a very short time and involved subjects who were full of antibodies right after a shot. They knew very well these numbers were unrealistic and would not stay over time. Also, why are we keep taking boosters which seem less and less effective? If I am getting more jabs now, it better be an updated one!
Anyway, enhanced focus on distancing and (even) less physical contact with people I am not very close to seems pretty engraved in my brain now. Handshakes and potentially awkward hugs are usually conveniently avoided, and when a collegue told me they just had it and was recovering, a mental "careful" reflex happened. Even trying to downplay this for myself, getting completely back to normal mentally takes longer than expected!
At least I haven't gotten sick.
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On July 27 2022 06:19 JimmiC wrote:
There is more and more research that the unvaccinated are getting sick more from basically everything non covid related. (My hypothosis is because they do not trust doctors or follow health advice) So there is other reasons not too . Also, if they have a booster for omni that comes out it would be really hars to restart the rules. Most airlines are alos struggling with staffing so having more people is not a huge concern and much of the staff has had terrible run ins with anti vax or anti maskers so they are not wanting more of those people either.
Some of it is natural consequences from so many being dicks.
There is more and more research that the unvaccinated are getting sick more from basically everything non covid related.
Do you have a source for this,if only one or two research papers?
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Northern Ireland24690 Posts
On July 27 2022 05:47 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2022 22:01 WombaT wrote:On July 26 2022 21:26 Ghostcom wrote:On July 26 2022 21:05 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 26 2022 00:30 Slydie wrote:On July 25 2022 14:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
WHO board voted 9-6 against declaring it an emergency, would love to see the minutes/reasoning as to why they voted against it.
Every indication points to it being a milder variant than what has been seen prior. The main reason for taking it easy would be "crying wolf". If emergencies are thrown around, people and governments might not care when it actually matters. I have read that with the latest strains of COVID, the vaccines are now completely ineffective at preventing mild sympthoms and infection. I assume there is still some prevention of serious illness. Even the belief they prevent serious illness is very questionable now.Biden has had four covid jabs and still had to be treated with paxlovid. The vaccines were initially sold as a Ferrari but have eventually been shown to be more a broken down Ford Pinto. Biden is a fairly close to a prime example of a high risk patient - and on top of that he is the President. No matter what, the moment he tested positive he was going to be prescribed paxlovid regardless of number of vaccinations. Frankly, his position alone would be enough. Further, if you want to compare vaccines to cars you should at least get your analogy right. They were sold as being ferraris on the road, however we are now faced with at best a gravel road, but more likely sand dunes. The vaccines haven't gotten worse - the disease has (as expected) mutated. And the newer strains appear to be less virulent (as hoped). No amount of revision in the face of new developments and information seems to dissuade folks from arguing that we were promised infallible vaccines that would eradicate the virus, for some reason. We were indeed promised incredibly effective vaccines that would end the pandemic. You can look at Biden or Rachel Maddow saying "if you get this vaccine you won't get COVID, it stops it in its tracks" (paraphrasing). Or you can look at Fauci and others repeatedly sounding off on the % we need to hit to get herd immunity and end the pandemic. Fauci was at least honest enough to admit that anytime that we got close to the % he predicted he would purposefully move the goalposts back. But yes, things change, there are new variants, etc. That's not a knock on the vaccines and their effectiveness against the original strains and it doesn't mean we were being lied to. But it does mean that the places in the world that still require vaccine passports for a vaccine that does very little to stop you from catching and spreading COVID are completely devoid of rational thought.
I think that would be a prudent change of course, in light of the state of affairs on the ground. Vaccine passports seem somewhat inconsequential with vaccines that aren’t particularly effective with current variants.
You seem to move with actual information and changing circumstances, which is a different kettle of fish entirely. I’m just not having arguments from vaccine ‘skeptics’ who were never inclined to accept any argument from day 1, arguing about promises that were never really made, who refuse to accept that circumstances change or indeed people can merely be wrong without malice.
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Sometimes I think I live in a different timeline than some of you...
Yes, of course, things and knowledge changes. But I'm pretty sure that it was even me 2 years back that asked what happens with vaccines if Covid is changing like the flu. And I was linked some kind of scientific article that describes why the Covid-Virus is a very stable virus and it is not like the flu and so vaccines will be good against it! (it is 2years back, can't find that link anymore...)
... and well we are here now, knowing it better!
But damn, yes, the promise definitely was that vaccines are a gamechanger! And depending of definition we could discuss if they still are. But the original expectation definitely was that they help you not getting infected ... I think we can throw that out the window!
Now stepping back and "we didn't say that!" ... that is stupid!
Is this similar when people say that the Covid-vax doesn't have side-effects you have to be worried about? Because that is just false! Of course they are there! And people died because of that! Maybe those side-effects are rare, but they are here! And I'm confused why you would say that!
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The vaccines are a game changer. They changed the game from hundreds of people dying every day to very few dying of Covid anymore. And from people getting seriously ill from infection to only experiencing mild symptoms. I like the changed game much better.
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The scale of the rate of people going to the hospital andor then dying from covid is absolutely a game changer. Even with the latest variant it's still a massive difference between who's going to die and who doesn't get tested because they don't notice any real change at all.
Minnesota doesn't even post the daily cases and hospitalizations like it used to because it means less and less as more people get vaccinated and the ones that didn't get vaccinated die off. The wastewater tests have proven to be a lot more predictive of waves and variant spread.
Everything has gone exactly as you were told it would happen. I'm sorry you never decided to try to understand what was going on but we did and we're happy with the developments from our end.
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I am soo fucking tired of this discussion. Why is anti vaxx even/still a thing?
Getting vaccinated is better than getting covid. Getting vaccinated and then getting covid is better than not getting vaccinated and getting covid. All of these have been very obvious, and the only way not to see them is willfull ignorance.
And i don't even fucking get why. What do you gain by being anti-vaxx? It is just such a fucking stupid position to have.
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Feeling smart is more important than doing the right thing for a lot of folks.
As for me, I caught COVID last weekend. Was still waiting for the latest booster to be approved for folks under 50, but no dice. Felt like hell for a few days, and then for the last week or so just run down, congested, feeling kinda not great. That sore throat it gives you is no joke. Felt like I was swallowing glass for 3 days.
Be safe folks.
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Been a few days, not doing too bad. My girlfriend seems to be hit a bit harder (specifically with more difficulty breathing.) but we're fine. Hopefully it stays this way. And for the record she is vaccinated, I am not. After the initial spike of temperature/body aches/coughing fits, it's mostly just dealing with sore throats and stuffed sinuses, lethargy, etc.
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On July 28 2022 03:21 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
Been a few days, not doing too bad. My girlfriend seems to be hit a bit harder (specifically with more difficulty breathing.) but we're fine. Hopefully it stays this way. And for the record she is vaccinated, I am not. After the initial spike of temperature/body aches/coughing fits, it's mostly just dealing with sore throats and stuffed sinuses, lethargy, etc.
Get well soon! All the best wishes!
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