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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1373 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-03 19:16:28
June 03 2022 13:35 GMT
#12101
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4374 Posts
June 07 2022 12:14 GMT
#12102
CDC raised the alert level for the Monkeypox outbreak to 2 and now recommends masks while travelling and avoiding sick animals & people.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/07/cdc-raises-monkeypox-alert-as-global-cases-surpass-1000.html


The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stepped up its monkeypox guidance, urging travelers to take extra precautions including wearing face masks as global cases of the virus surpass 1,000.

The CDC ramped up its alert to a level 2 on Monday, encouraging people to "practice enhanced precautions" to stem the outbreak, which has spread to 29 non-endemic countries in the past month. The highest level alert — level 3 — would caution against non-essential travel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
June 09 2022 17:15 GMT
#12103
On June 07 2022 21:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
CDC raised the alert level for the Monkeypox outbreak to 2 and now recommends masks while travelling and avoiding sick animals & people.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/07/cdc-raises-monkeypox-alert-as-global-cases-surpass-1000.html

Show nested quote +

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stepped up its monkeypox guidance, urging travelers to take extra precautions including wearing face masks as global cases of the virus surpass 1,000.

The CDC ramped up its alert to a level 2 on Monday, encouraging people to "practice enhanced precautions" to stem the outbreak, which has spread to 29 non-endemic countries in the past month. The highest level alert — level 3 — would caution against non-essential travel.


It's a worrying trend, and concerning, but primarily because of its transmission in first world countries. Ring vaccination is far more effective though because I believe it's effective prior to, and for a short duration after infection.

Quebec began offering a smallpox vaccine to certain close contacts of infected people in late May, and the Health Ministry says it has since vaccinated 813 people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-monkeypox-cases-1.6480790

Back to covid though, looking increasingly likely that we'll get bivalent boosters in the fall from Moderna. Hopefully that'll be enough to stem Omicron. Flu shot + Covid shot this year I guess, hopefully I can do both at the same appointment.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/moderna-touts-omicron-combo-booster-for-fall-shots-ahead-of-fda-talks/
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1928 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-09 19:44:45
June 09 2022 19:44 GMT
#12104
On June 02 2022 03:35 Sermokala wrote:
Mass testing (as long as its free) isn't a zero-covid strategy its just the cheapest strategy to mitigate massive outbreaks by having the information about whats going on.


Except it isn't. Denmark tried exactly that, mandating biweekly testing for anyone working or going to school for long stretches of time, testing around 10x as many as other western countries, who also teste a lot. Many got problems in their nose by all the stick-digging up there.

Did it prevent outbreaks in any meaningful way? Not at all! The tests are not accurate enough, and you can never test people often enough to make sure nobody is infected. Once a critical mass of infection is out there, mass testing did very little, and it should be debated if it was worth the cost.

I have taken my last COVID test unless I am absolutely forced to. I had a lot of faith in mass testing once, not anymore.

I am ok with getting another vaccine shot, though, at least until it is certain that infections are really better for you long term, which we won't know for years.
Buff the siegetank
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
June 09 2022 19:53 GMT
#12105
A bunch of people close to me have been diagnosed with covid and regular flu these last few weeks here in Sao Paulo. Brazil had more or less evaded the march covid wave (peaking in january but mostly subsiding afterwards), but it feels things are getting worse, even if numbers aren't bad yet. Vaccination rates are high, so I don't expect things to go sour, but it's still unsettling
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14060 Posts
June 09 2022 19:58 GMT
#12106
On June 10 2022 04:44 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2022 03:35 Sermokala wrote:
Mass testing (as long as its free) isn't a zero-covid strategy its just the cheapest strategy to mitigate massive outbreaks by having the information about whats going on.


Except it isn't. Denmark tried exactly that, mandating biweekly testing for anyone working or going to school for long stretches of time, testing around 10x as many as other western countries, who also teste a lot. Many got problems in their nose by all the stick-digging up there.

Did it prevent outbreaks in any meaningful way? Not at all! The tests are not accurate enough, and you can never test people often enough to make sure nobody is infected. Once a critical mass of infection is out there, mass testing did very little, and it should be debated if it was worth the cost.

I have taken my last COVID test unless I am absolutely forced to. I had a lot of faith in mass testing once, not anymore.

I am ok with getting another vaccine shot, though, at least until it is certain that infections are really better for you long term, which we won't know for years.

The people who told you these things lied to you. It's not meant to prevent outbreaks it's meant to find out about them before hand and to investigate the clusters when they happen. Random stories about people having problems after testing so much should raise red flags about who's telling you this and how. Neither of these things say anything about the cost effectiveness of mass testing. That should also give you a red flag as someone yelling you something is wrong for reasons that have nothing to do with what originally they said is wrong doesn't make sense.

Do you think Denmark is more incompetent than the asian countries that did mass testing and succeeded with it? Or do you think that there is something else in play?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 09 2022 20:27 GMT
#12107
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
June 14 2022 18:29 GMT
#12108
"WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that it was time to consider stepping up the response because the virus is behaving unusually, more countries are affected, and there is a need for international co-ordination."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/

I'm not sure why it took them so long to realize how urgent the situation is. Experts should've predicted weeks ago that the spread was going to get a lot worse, and some probably did.


Also, the virus has a very high mutation rate that is very unexpected, this fact was also known weeks ago. Only the cause (and impact on the spread) of these mutations is uncertain.

"Based on normal evolutionary timelines, scientists would expect a virus like monkeypox to pick up that many mutations over perhaps 50 years, not four, Neher said."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 14 2022 22:44 GMT
#12109
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4374 Posts
June 15 2022 00:55 GMT
#12110
On June 15 2022 03:29 Magic Powers wrote:
"WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that it was time to consider stepping up the response because the virus is behaving unusually, more countries are affected, and there is a need for international co-ordination."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/

I'm not sure why it took them so long to realize how urgent the situation is. Experts should've predicted weeks ago that the spread was going to get a lot worse, and some probably did.


Also, the virus has a very high mutation rate that is very unexpected, this fact was also known weeks ago. Only the cause (and impact on the spread) of these mutations is uncertain.

"Based on normal evolutionary timelines, scientists would expect a virus like monkeypox to pick up that many mutations over perhaps 50 years, not four, Neher said."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/

It seems very mild at this stage, over 1000 cases outside Africa and no deaths yet.A guy on the Monkeypox subreddit posted images of his confirmed Monkeypox infection and it looked like a couple of cold sores on his chin.Nothing too crazy.

Also he was a gay chap, currently this seems to be mostly affecting gay men, hence the WHO putting out Monkeypox health advice specifically for gay and bisexual men https://www.who.int/news/item/25-05-2022-monkeypox--public-health-advice-for-gay--bisexual-and-other-men-who-have-sex-with-men

WHO will be changing the name from Monkeypox shortly because it’s racist apparently.
https://time.com/6187445/monkeypox-who-rename-stigma/?utm_source=reddit.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 06:13:19
June 15 2022 06:10 GMT
#12111
On June 15 2022 09:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2022 03:29 Magic Powers wrote:
"WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that it was time to consider stepping up the response because the virus is behaving unusually, more countries are affected, and there is a need for international co-ordination."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/

I'm not sure why it took them so long to realize how urgent the situation is. Experts should've predicted weeks ago that the spread was going to get a lot worse, and some probably did.


Also, the virus has a very high mutation rate that is very unexpected, this fact was also known weeks ago. Only the cause (and impact on the spread) of these mutations is uncertain.

"Based on normal evolutionary timelines, scientists would expect a virus like monkeypox to pick up that many mutations over perhaps 50 years, not four, Neher said."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/

It seems very mild at this stage, over 1000 cases outside Africa and no deaths yet.A guy on the Monkeypox subreddit posted images of his confirmed Monkeypox infection and it looked like a couple of cold sores on his chin.Nothing too crazy.

Also he was a gay chap, currently this seems to be mostly affecting gay men, hence the WHO putting out Monkeypox health advice specifically for gay and bisexual men https://www.who.int/news/item/25-05-2022-monkeypox--public-health-advice-for-gay--bisexual-and-other-men-who-have-sex-with-men

WHO will be changing the name from Monkeypox shortly because it’s racist apparently.
https://time.com/6187445/monkeypox-who-rename-stigma/?utm_source=reddit.com

I think a one way to put it is that monkeypox is more average than covid in severity. Minimum severity seems higher and maximum severity is lower. Sexually active gay men are generally young and reasonably healthy so it might be a bit skewed.

That being said, it does not look like a good time, and the scarring would be pretty cosmetically damaging for most people. Funnily enough that might actually be a better motive for containment than the less visible, but potentially much more severe effects of having had covid.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
June 15 2022 06:55 GMT
#12112
It affects not mostly gay men, it affects everyone and the speed of the outbreak only makes sense if that's the case. The WHO warning for bisexual couples was from several weeks ago. The evidence has changed dramatically since and a warning was given to all people.

The speed and range of the outbreak is highly concerning, it does in many ways resemble the sars-cov-2 outbreak in 2020.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4374 Posts
June 15 2022 07:16 GMT
#12113
Well as of four days ago all of the 112 people in Canada with Monkeypox were men aged between 20 and 63 and the majority had sex with other men, so to say it’s affecting the gay community disproportionately is hardly a stretch.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6484677


Speaking to reporters, Dr. Theresa Tam said 112 cases of the disease have been detected across the country — 98 in Quebec. There are nine cases in Ontario, four in Alberta and one in British Columbia.

Tam said all of the patients are males between the ages of 20 and 63. The majority of them had sexual contact with other men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 07:24:26
June 15 2022 07:23 GMT
#12114
No. Just because gay men have experienced a higher transmission rate doesn't mean it spreads to them more easily than to other demographics. The origin of the outbreak was mostly a group of gay men, so the concentration of monkeypox within the gay community was much greater to begin with. Furthermore gay men have a much higher rate of contact with other gay men, which skews the rate (not probability) of transmission in their direction until the virus has spread more evenly within the community. And that's what we're seeing right now. The numbers are going up so fast that it can't be explained with "oh it affects gay men more than others". It's wrong. The virus is already spreading much more evenly across the whole population.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
June 15 2022 07:57 GMT
#12115
The sample size for monkeypox cases is so small you can find basically anything in there and make it sound that "it" is the reason.
btw.: where are those numbers "going up fast"? I don't see them in any charts...
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
June 15 2022 10:01 GMT
#12116
I'm currently using ourworldindata as reference.

https://ourworldindata.org/monkeypox

When sars-cov-2 broke out, total infections in many countries doubled every few days, which is also roughly what we're currently observing with monkeypox. The rate of transmission appears to be slower by up to 50% (my own estimate).
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4374 Posts
June 15 2022 10:40 GMT
#12117
On June 15 2022 16:23 Magic Powers wrote:
The virus is already spreading much more evenly across the whole population.

UK Health Security Agency did a detailed survey on Monkeypox patients.Of the 152 surveys completed 151 respondents identified as men who have sex with men.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UKHSA/status/1535291575420473347

Taken from official UK technical analysis on Monkeypox here :
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/monkeypox-outbreak-technical-briefings

So while it may spread more evenly down the line, it certainly isn’t at this time.As for rapidly rising cases, maybe there is some shortfall in testing because that world in data chart looks pretty linear right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-15 13:03:11
June 15 2022 13:02 GMT
#12118
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
June 15 2022 14:39 GMT
#12119
The common variable for monkeypox infections is not sexual orientation, but close physical contact.

With HIV it's similar, the common variable is not sexual orientation, but anal sex, which is more common among gay couples. That's why straight people who perform anal sex also get AIDS at a much higher rate than those who don't.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-16 09:10:06
June 16 2022 09:08 GMT
#12120
On June 15 2022 23:39 Magic Powers wrote:
The common variable for monkeypox infections is not sexual orientation, but close physical contact.

With HIV it's similar, the common variable is not sexual orientation, but anal sex, which is more common among gay couples. That's why straight people who perform anal sex also get AIDS at a much higher rate than those who don't.

Is what you're looking for really sexual orientation or intercourse?

On Covid though: I hope my beloved (!) Germany doesn't bring back the draconian measures again. I'm pretty sure we're at the point where the measures and vaccine side effects kill more people than Covid itself.
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