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pmh
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4251 Posts
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/07/cdc-raises-monkeypox-alert-as-global-cases-surpass-1000.html The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stepped up its monkeypox guidance, urging travelers to take extra precautions including wearing face masks as global cases of the virus surpass 1,000. The CDC ramped up its alert to a level 2 on Monday, encouraging people to "practice enhanced precautions" to stem the outbreak, which has spread to 29 non-endemic countries in the past month. The highest level alert — level 3 — would caution against non-essential travel. | ||
Lmui
Canada6157 Posts
On June 07 2022 21:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: CDC raised the alert level for the Monkeypox outbreak to 2 and now recommends masks while travelling and avoiding sick animals & people. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/07/cdc-raises-monkeypox-alert-as-global-cases-surpass-1000.html It's a worrying trend, and concerning, but primarily because of its transmission in first world countries. Ring vaccination is far more effective though because I believe it's effective prior to, and for a short duration after infection. Quebec began offering a smallpox vaccine to certain close contacts of infected people in late May, and the Health Ministry says it has since vaccinated 813 people. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-monkeypox-cases-1.6480790 Back to covid though, looking increasingly likely that we'll get bivalent boosters in the fall from Moderna. Hopefully that'll be enough to stem Omicron. Flu shot + Covid shot this year I guess, hopefully I can do both at the same appointment. https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/moderna-touts-omicron-combo-booster-for-fall-shots-ahead-of-fda-talks/ | ||
Slydie
1778 Posts
On June 02 2022 03:35 Sermokala wrote: Mass testing (as long as its free) isn't a zero-covid strategy its just the cheapest strategy to mitigate massive outbreaks by having the information about whats going on. Except it isn't. Denmark tried exactly that, mandating biweekly testing for anyone working or going to school for long stretches of time, testing around 10x as many as other western countries, who also teste a lot. Many got problems in their nose by all the stick-digging up there. Did it prevent outbreaks in any meaningful way? Not at all! The tests are not accurate enough, and you can never test people often enough to make sure nobody is infected. Once a critical mass of infection is out there, mass testing did very little, and it should be debated if it was worth the cost. I have taken my last COVID test unless I am absolutely forced to. I had a lot of faith in mass testing once, not anymore. I am ok with getting another vaccine shot, though, at least until it is certain that infections are really better for you long term, which we won't know for years. | ||
Sbrubbles
Brazil5763 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13538 Posts
On June 10 2022 04:44 Slydie wrote: Except it isn't. Denmark tried exactly that, mandating biweekly testing for anyone working or going to school for long stretches of time, testing around 10x as many as other western countries, who also teste a lot. Many got problems in their nose by all the stick-digging up there. Did it prevent outbreaks in any meaningful way? Not at all! The tests are not accurate enough, and you can never test people often enough to make sure nobody is infected. Once a critical mass of infection is out there, mass testing did very little, and it should be debated if it was worth the cost. I have taken my last COVID test unless I am absolutely forced to. I had a lot of faith in mass testing once, not anymore. I am ok with getting another vaccine shot, though, at least until it is certain that infections are really better for you long term, which we won't know for years. The people who told you these things lied to you. It's not meant to prevent outbreaks it's meant to find out about them before hand and to investigate the clusters when they happen. Random stories about people having problems after testing so much should raise red flags about who's telling you this and how. Neither of these things say anything about the cost effectiveness of mass testing. That should also give you a red flag as someone yelling you something is wrong for reasons that have nothing to do with what originally they said is wrong doesn't make sense. Do you think Denmark is more incompetent than the asian countries that did mass testing and succeeded with it? Or do you think that there is something else in play? | ||
JimmiC
Canada22794 Posts
On June 10 2022 04:53 Sbrubbles wrote: A bunch of people close to me have been diagnosed with covid and regular flu these last few weeks here in Sao Paulo. Brazil had more or less evaded the march covid wave (peaking in january but mostly subsiding afterwards), but it feels things are getting worse, even if numbers aren't bad yet. Vaccination rates are high, so I don't expect things to go sour, but it's still unsettling We had a big wave of omni but with our highish vaccination and its less severity we went through it without any major stress on the hospitals. Most work places were impacted with so many out sick, but generally each person missed a weekish. A couple classes had to be canceled as there was a sub shortage from teachers. Now we are down to no one in the ICU with covid, which is the first in a long time. I think as long as delta does not surge in low vaccination areas (omni infection provides almost no protection vs it) around here we should be able to be without shutting anything down or our hospitals getting too stressed. And I guess some awful mutation that makes omni contagious but delta bad, but I'm going to be hopeful that just does not happen, knock on wood. I will be getting my flu shot in the fall and if they have a new booster that as well. Getting sick is shitty, why not do what you can to avoid or lessen it. | ||
Magic Powers
Austria2659 Posts
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/ I'm not sure why it took them so long to realize how urgent the situation is. Experts should've predicted weeks ago that the spread was going to get a lot worse, and some probably did. Also, the virus has a very high mutation rate that is very unexpected, this fact was also known weeks ago. Only the cause (and impact on the spread) of these mutations is uncertain. "Based on normal evolutionary timelines, scientists would expect a virus like monkeypox to pick up that many mutations over perhaps 50 years, not four, Neher said." https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/ | ||
JimmiC
Canada22794 Posts
On June 15 2022 07:00 Slydie wrote: I am challenging your logic here. First, you don't specify anything about "masks". There are different types, different situations, different levels of infection in the population. Just stating "masks makes fewer sick" makes no sense. Which masks? Used when? How? At what point in the pandemic? These questions are so far ignored in favour of a moralistic and propaganda like information campaigns. The real question should be: how many hospitalisations and deaths do masks prevent, and what are the negative consequences of mask use? The research afaik is far from conclusive, and it is very easy to find studies both supporting and dismissing masks as effective. Given that countries have had to fight major waves of infections near despite universal use makes me believe their usefulness is very limited, and that you need 10.000s of hours of use just to prevent a single infection, which would likely happen at a later point anyway. Also, you can force people to wear masks in public, but you can not force them in private nor to wear them correctly. I think Norway had a healthy approach to masks, the first thing they did was digging up all research on the topic, not to jump on it guessing it would be an important measure. There were only local mandates in specific situations and for limited time, but I doubt they ever had much impact. While I do believe that people wearing masks reduces the spread of all viruses. And I base that on the mountains of scientific evidence that says they do and has for 100's of years. Sick people are bad for the economy and I'm not only talking about covid. The burden of proof is not on me. I'm not saying masking increases economic output. I'm saying it is silly to suggest that masking is somehow hurting the economy let alone to a point where it would be a bigger factor than Russia invading Ukraine for both inflation and oil prices. If you would like to make a case on why masking hurts the economy with something other than that you do not like it, by all means go ahead but I'm not going down your strange rabbit hole. | ||
iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4251 Posts
On June 15 2022 03:29 Magic Powers wrote: "WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that it was time to consider stepping up the response because the virus is behaving unusually, more countries are affected, and there is a need for international co-ordination." https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/ I'm not sure why it took them so long to realize how urgent the situation is. Experts should've predicted weeks ago that the spread was going to get a lot worse, and some probably did. Also, the virus has a very high mutation rate that is very unexpected, this fact was also known weeks ago. Only the cause (and impact on the spread) of these mutations is uncertain. "Based on normal evolutionary timelines, scientists would expect a virus like monkeypox to pick up that many mutations over perhaps 50 years, not four, Neher said." https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-set-decide-if-monkeypox-represents-health-emergency-2022-06-14/ It seems very mild at this stage, over 1000 cases outside Africa and no deaths yet.A guy on the Monkeypox subreddit posted images of his confirmed Monkeypox infection and it looked like a couple of cold sores on his chin.Nothing too crazy. Also he was a gay chap, currently this seems to be mostly affecting gay men, hence the WHO putting out Monkeypox health advice specifically for gay and bisexual men https://www.who.int/news/item/25-05-2022-monkeypox--public-health-advice-for-gay--bisexual-and-other-men-who-have-sex-with-men WHO will be changing the name from Monkeypox shortly because it’s racist apparently. https://time.com/6187445/monkeypox-who-rename-stigma/?utm_source=reddit.com | ||
Amui
Canada10558 Posts
On June 15 2022 09:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: It seems very mild at this stage, over 1000 cases outside Africa and no deaths yet.A guy on the Monkeypox subreddit posted images of his confirmed Monkeypox infection and it looked like a couple of cold sores on his chin.Nothing too crazy. Also he was a gay chap, currently this seems to be mostly affecting gay men, hence the WHO putting out Monkeypox health advice specifically for gay and bisexual men https://www.who.int/news/item/25-05-2022-monkeypox--public-health-advice-for-gay--bisexual-and-other-men-who-have-sex-with-men WHO will be changing the name from Monkeypox shortly because it’s racist apparently. https://time.com/6187445/monkeypox-who-rename-stigma/?utm_source=reddit.com I think a one way to put it is that monkeypox is more average than covid in severity. Minimum severity seems higher and maximum severity is lower. Sexually active gay men are generally young and reasonably healthy so it might be a bit skewed. That being said, it does not look like a good time, and the scarring would be pretty cosmetically damaging for most people. Funnily enough that might actually be a better motive for containment than the less visible, but potentially much more severe effects of having had covid. | ||
Magic Powers
Austria2659 Posts
The speed and range of the outbreak is highly concerning, it does in many ways resemble the sars-cov-2 outbreak in 2020. | ||
iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4251 Posts
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6484677 Speaking to reporters, Dr. Theresa Tam said 112 cases of the disease have been detected across the country — 98 in Quebec. There are nine cases in Ontario, four in Alberta and one in British Columbia. Tam said all of the patients are males between the ages of 20 and 63. The majority of them had sexual contact with other men. | ||
Magic Powers
Austria2659 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3256 Posts
btw.: where are those numbers "going up fast"? I don't see them in any charts... | ||
Magic Powers
Austria2659 Posts
https://ourworldindata.org/monkeypox When sars-cov-2 broke out, total infections in many countries doubled every few days, which is also roughly what we're currently observing with monkeypox. The rate of transmission appears to be slower by up to 50% (my own estimate). | ||
iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4251 Posts
On June 15 2022 16:23 Magic Powers wrote: The virus is already spreading much more evenly across the whole population. UK Health Security Agency did a detailed survey on Monkeypox patients.Of the 152 surveys completed 151 respondents identified as men who have sex with men. https://mobile.twitter.com/UKHSA/status/1535291575420473347 Taken from official UK technical analysis on Monkeypox here : https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/monkeypox-outbreak-technical-briefings So while it may spread more evenly down the line, it certainly isn’t at this time.As for rapidly rising cases, maybe there is some shortfall in testing because that world in data chart looks pretty linear right now. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22794 Posts
What concerns me is that the same people who feared the Covid vaccine are already calling it another scam and that they won't get this vaccine. Which makes me think they will fear every vaccine for their made up nonsense reason. With the increasing travel, population, extreme weather and so on pandemics will become more common and for political/fantasy reasons a way to large group is scared of them. | ||
Magic Powers
Austria2659 Posts
With HIV it's similar, the common variable is not sexual orientation, but anal sex, which is more common among gay couples. That's why straight people who perform anal sex also get AIDS at a much higher rate than those who don't. | ||
Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On June 15 2022 23:39 Magic Powers wrote: The common variable for monkeypox infections is not sexual orientation, but close physical contact. With HIV it's similar, the common variable is not sexual orientation, but anal sex, which is more common among gay couples. That's why straight people who perform anal sex also get AIDS at a much higher rate than those who don't. Is what you're looking for really sexual orientation or intercourse? On Covid though: I hope my beloved (!) Germany doesn't bring back the draconian measures again. I'm pretty sure we're at the point where the measures and vaccine side effects kill more people than Covid itself. | ||
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