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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control.

It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you.

Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly.

This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here.

Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13819 Posts
May 20 2022 08:52 GMT
#12081
Until it becomes it's own thing probably here.

Monkey pox shouldn't be a problem if it's the same as it has been for decades but I expect fox news to fear monger it into the next covid any day now. Don't spend much time on it for now.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-20 12:59:40
May 20 2022 12:58 GMT
#12082
Yes hopefully it blows over but i’m not liking the amount of media coverage it’s getting.Feels like early 2020 all over again.

WHO just convened an emergency meeting about it : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/monkeypox-virus-infection-case-symptoms-live-uk-b2083515.html?amp


WHO will convene a group of leading experts at a meeting to discuss the ongoing outbreak today, according to The Telegraph .

The newspaper said it was believed the main topics of discussion would be how the virus is being spread, the unusually high prevalence in gay and bisexual men, and the vaccination situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6211 Posts
May 20 2022 16:59 GMT
#12083
Bad timing. I'm literally going to the one place in Canada with confirmed cases (Montreal) next week for my first vacation in 2.5 years. Seems less likely to spread than Covid though, but still a bad time if I'm really really unlucky.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13819 Posts
May 20 2022 17:26 GMT
#12084
The media coverage is super skewed because it's being compared to something out of China that no-one knew about how bad it was going to be until marchish. And a media that is a lot more sensitive to new diseases.

From everything I've seen it's not a society breaking event kike covid was going to to be if we knew what we should have known.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3738 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-30 01:06:48
May 20 2022 22:49 GMT
#12085
I've been watching this tracker, and it's clear the number of monkeypox cases is rising very quickly in several countries. Also, most of the "probable" cases end up being moved to "confirmed".

https://bnonews.com/monkeypox/

According to experts, a major cause of this sharp rise is likely the fact that very few people have any immunity against smallpox, because vaccination against smallpox (which had a sterilizing effect on the virus) mostly ended in the 70's. This means we have roughly 50 years of unvaccinated people who were born since smallpox was officially eradicated.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01421-8

A sterilizing vaccine exists.


Update May 24th:
Since the 21st, confirmed cases have increased from 92 to 176, and total (incl. suspected) cases have increased from 120 to 260. The number of affected countries has increased from 12 to 18.

Update May 27th:
Confirmed cases 333. Total cases 375. Countries 22. No deaths yet.

Update May 30th:
Confirmed cases 424. Total cases 497. Countries 28. No deaths.

I'm posting this edit to keep track of the rate of increase. Will be updating the comment every so often.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 26 2022 23:43 GMT
#12086
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-27 02:10:01
May 27 2022 02:05 GMT
#12087
Yes pretty dumb considering any veterinarian coming into contact with their animals would be vaccinated.

That said though it’s well past time for Canada to remove those vaccination entry requirements as countries all over the world are doing.And even in Australia there was never a requirement to be vaccinated to get on a public train.Such things you could expect to see in communist China, shame to see Canada become so extreme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 27 2022 02:08 GMT
#12088
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
May 27 2022 02:16 GMT
#12089
On May 27 2022 11:08 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2022 11:05 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Yes pretty dumb considering any veterinarian coming into contact with their animals would be vaccinated.

That said though it’s time for Canada to remove those vaccination entry requirements as countries all over the world are doing.And even in Australia there was never a requirement to be vaccinated to get on a public train.Such things you could expect to see in communist China, shame to see Canada become so extreme.

Tons of countries had vaccination requirements before covid. Id bet its still a super popular policy, seems pretty democratic to me.

Weren’t those vaccines actually effective at stopping transmission though? Like the yellow fever jab.One dose, lifelong immunity.

Have you had your fourth covid jab yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 27 2022 02:21 GMT
#12090
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
May 27 2022 07:05 GMT
#12091
I'm not sure about most animals... but I know that quite a few of them get regular shots for whatever-animal-diseases!

Also why did nobody point out, that most farm animals are tagged with a GPS? So the vaccination is useless there!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
May 29 2022 09:48 GMT
#12092
You still cant go to the EU from the UK if you are unvaccinated,a negative test is not enough.
There is a few exceptions but in general you can not go to the EU from the UK for a short visit. Because the UK is classified as a high risk country.

It makes little sense,the situation in the UK is not really different from anywhere else in the EU. We dropped all masks and we dont really test anymore (only vulnerable people are recommanded to get an official test).
Planes fly from UK to EU and back all the time,hundreds of flights a day probably. Yet you still can not visit the EU from the UK if you are unvaccinated.

Why is this?
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9234 Posts
May 29 2022 10:08 GMT
#12093
Nudging, as there is very little to say for not vaccinating, would be my guess
passive quaranstream fan
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-29 10:26:29
May 29 2022 10:19 GMT
#12094
A friend of me from the UK she doesnt want the vaccine. She isnt into conspiracy theories but she has had bad allergies before and she just doesnt want to risk it (i tried everything to convince her). She most likely also had covid at the very start of the pandemic.
She just doesnt want the vaccine and at this point i can not blame her. She is below 40 and in excelent health condition.

Why cant she just take a test and come for a visit? I could understand the requierement if we still tried to slow down the virus. Lockdowns,digital certificates and all that. But all that is gone,we are not trying to slow down the virus at all and hunderds of planes fly every day without tests,masks or whatever.
Border patrol doesnt check for them (i called customs at the airport to ask if they check people for test or vaccination status and they said they didnt). I guess she could just go and nothing would happen but we are the type of people that dont want to do anything illegal so that is kinda where it ends.

Its not even the requierement that bothers me,its the inconsistency of everything.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-01 14:01:22
June 01 2022 14:00 GMT
#12095

China is planning on keeping it's Covid Zero strategy going for years.They want testing booths within a 15 minute walk for anyone in a big city with negative tests required up to every 48 hours to do basic tasks like ride a subway.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/china-plans-for-years-of-covid-zero-with-tests-on-every-corner


After a bruising lockdown in Shanghai and severe curbs in Beijing were needed to halt the spread of Covid-19, China is doubling down on mass-testing in a move that’s dashing hopes for a shift away from its costly Covid Zero strategy.

A network of tens of thousands of lab testing booths are being set up across the country’s largest and most economically vital cities, with the goal of having residents always just a 15 minute walk away from a swabbing point. The infrastructure will allow cities like Beijing, Shanghai, tech hub Shenzhen and e-commerce heartland Hangzhou to require tests as often as every 48 hours, with negative results needed to get on the subway or even enter a store.

The booths, solid though quickly made, will be ubiquitous in urban centers with at least 10 million residents, part of a seamless process designed to feed test results into popular smartphone apps such as Tencent Holdings Ltd.’s WeChat or Alipay, the payment app from Ant Group Co, in just a few hours. Some 420 million people live in cities and towns that have committed to routine Covid tests, according to data compiled by Soochow Securities Co.

The intent is to root out silent chains of transmission before the virus has a chance to spread widely in the community. But it will also make testing an inescapable part of everyday life for hundreds of millions of Chinese city dwellers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8622 Posts
June 01 2022 15:02 GMT
#12096
theres literally no other way to look at that proposal than think its a surveillance program in disguise. what a ridiculous policy
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 01 2022 16:10 GMT
#12097
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24609 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-01 16:54:59
June 01 2022 16:54 GMT
#12098
On June 02 2022 01:10 JimmiC wrote:
Does China need to disguise a surveillance program? It is pretty open that they have a massive one and monitor and curate the internet as well.

Haha aye, it’s the equivalent of having a van with ‘FBI’ parked outside your house for a few weeks. Not exactly news!

If you untethered it from the genuinely insidious social credit stuff, such mechanisms would be bloody useful.

Tracking something like a pandemic being near enough the number 1 application. But other things too like building more efficient transport infrastructure, if you had the data of everyone’s travel patterns.

Anonymising that data is hardly impossible, but us Westerners seem to instinctively recoil from that
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13819 Posts
June 01 2022 18:35 GMT
#12099
Mass testing (as long as its free) isn't a zero-covid strategy its just the cheapest strategy to mitigate massive outbreaks by having the information about whats going on.

Zero-covid would be forcing everyone into their homes and do something crazy like screw the doors shut and create welded cages to keep them in. Would be crazy if they had drones flying overhead taking pictures of people screaming at night when they think its safe and playing "control your hearts desire for freedom" all the time when people are trying to sleep.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3738 Posts
June 02 2022 09:47 GMT
#12100
Monkeypox is continuing to spread rapidly. BNO News has added graphs that illustrate it.
No deaths yet.

https://bnonews.com/monkeypox/

The last outbreak in the US in 2003 affected only 47 people and was contained. They're currently at 19 cases, while the UK is at 196 cases. The spread is likely going to continue and it has potential to infect any demographic.

The incubation period of monkeypox is 7-14 days or 5-21 days.
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