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RKC
2848 Posts
Page 3-4: Djokovic produces documents of testing positive on a PCR test on 16th Dec (and negative on 22nd). Page 26: He mentions the same two days but the month of November instead (maybe an innocent slip of tongue?) Anyway, his defence is that any COVID infection before 6 months of travel qualifies for exemption. He confirms that he is unvaccinated, and was previously infected in June 2020. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8828 Posts
On January 11 2022 12:50 Mohdoo wrote: I mean there's really no way he got admission based on what we know about his situation and the requirements. yes but getting caught falsifying legal documents gives more ground for the immigration minister to exercise his power. its one thing to be granted an exemption due to a technicality and another to get a free pass despite having falsified records | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On January 11 2022 14:46 evilfatsh1t wrote: yes but getting caught falsifying legal documents gives more ground for the immigration minister to exercise his power. its one thing to be granted an exemption due to a technicality and another to get a free pass despite having falsified records If they prove he lied and then let him play, after all the lockdowns people in Australia went through, I’d expect riots | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8828 Posts
On January 11 2022 15:37 Mohdoo wrote: If they prove he lied and then let him play, after all the lockdowns people in Australia went through, I’d expect riots funnily enough there were riots yesterday, except it was djokovic's fans that caused it. this also happened after he was cleared to play, not while he was being detained, which was weird. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9188 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22155 Posts
On January 11 2022 21:28 BlackJack wrote: And its sad that you see that as hypocrisy to be mocked instead of a dire message on just how bad hospitals are doing and how bad this Omicron wave is.California Govenor Gavin Newsom now says COVID+ healthcare workers can return to work immediately if they are asymptomatic. No quarantine period, no tests needed. So we now live in a world where HCWs get suspended or fired for not getting vaccinated from COVID but they are approved to work while having COVID. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 11 2022 21:41 Gorsameth wrote: And its sad that you see that as hypocrisy to be mocked instead of a dire message on just how bad hospitals are doing and how bad this Omicron wave is. I see it as both | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On January 12 2022 01:03 JimmiC wrote: Im not sure its even that, health care is wildy expensive and the feds are picking up thr covid tab. Its an odd mix, if it was purely money you would have forced vaccination and super harsh penalties for amy risky behavior. Yes I agree. But since forced vaccination can't be a thing in the US, all the crap eventually settles down to the worker bees at the bottom. It's the employees that have to pick up and support the pieces, sacrificing themselves over and over again, wave after wave. I'm more in favor of "if we're short staffed, we're short staffed." | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26440 Posts
On January 12 2022 01:22 Titusmaster6 wrote: Yes I agree. But since forced vaccination can't be a thing in the US, all the crap eventually settles down to the worker bees at the bottom. It's the employees that have to pick up and support the pieces, sacrificing themselves over and over again, wave after wave. I'm more in favor of "if we're short staffed, we're short staffed." Do you get paid for being off? I’d largely agree with the last point, with the exception of genuine critical health and emergency services if they’re getting pushed past capacity | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On January 12 2022 01:30 WombaT wrote: Do you get paid for being off? I’d largely agree with the last point, with the exception of genuine critical health and emergency services if they’re getting pushed past capacity At this time, we are payed while off. The real question is, can people actually get time off? | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
https://globalnews.ca/news/8502714/ontario-incidental-covid-hospitalizations-january-11/ The province indicated that there are currently 3,220 people in hospital with COVID-19 — around 54 per cent of them were admitted because of the virus, while about 46 per cent were admitted for other reasons but tested positive for COVID-19. ... Of those hospitalized, 477 are in ICUs, which is up by 39. Around 83 per cent of those in intensive care were admitted because of COVID, while around 17 per cent were admitted for other reasons. In other news, we now have figures from Ontario about hospitalization with/from covid. Hospitalizations as a whole are up, the majority of ICU patients are because of covid, not with covid. As "mild" as omicron is, it's crushing society as a whole because of how many people it's taking out. Side Note: I managed to dodge omicron apparently and got a booster now, I think I'm probably clear til the next variant pops up. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22155 Posts
On January 12 2022 01:22 Titusmaster6 wrote: The problem is that with a short staffed overfull hospital people die despite being curable simply because there is no one to treat them.Yes I agree. But since forced vaccination can't be a thing in the US, all the crap eventually settles down to the worker bees at the bottom. It's the employees that have to pick up and support the pieces, sacrificing themselves over and over again, wave after wave. I'm more in favor of "if we're short staffed, we're short staffed." Getting sick doctors and nurses to still come in isn't because of money over everything, its because you absolutely do not want to have to resort to medical triage. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On January 12 2022 02:00 Gorsameth wrote: The problem is that with a short staffed overfull hospital people die despite being curable simply because there is no one to treat them. Getting sick doctors and nurses to still come in isn't because of money over everything, its because you absolutely do not want to have to resort to medical triage. I think we all know the problem. My fight is that I feel the US public has not really empathized or felt what healthcare workers had to go through as a whole. I think medical triage is absolutely appropriate, even in times when we don't have a pandemic. We would rather force healthcare workers to work while sick and infectious than force people to get a couple jabs. Obviously people will think my opinion is biased since I'm a healthcare provider but it's hard to hide this frustration and anger any longer. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On January 12 2022 02:04 Mohdoo wrote: Omicron does not appear to be spreading within the staff at hospitals. It seems like it’s just “gotta live my life” folks who work at hospitals. And if it isn’t spreading among staff, and they are no longer symptomatic, it makes sense for them to work I'm not sure what the distinguishing thing is Mohdoo but in my experience, with a positivity rate of almost 25% in CT, everyone is catching Covid whether they are "living life" or not. One could argue, that for those with 2 vaccinations and the most recent booster, now is the "best" time to catch the virus. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22155 Posts
On January 12 2022 02:05 Titusmaster6 wrote: Oh I completely understand where your coming from, its a miracle and a testament to the healthcare workers that the entire system hasn't collapsed from just pure exhaustion. I don't know the nitty gritty of how it is in the US but here its been non stop pressure for 2 years now, if its not a Covid peak its working to reduce the backlog caused by the previous peak halting all non-critical care.I think we all know the problem. My fight is that I feel the US public has not really empathized or felt what healthcare workers had to go through as a whole. I think medical triage is absolutely appropriate, even in times when we don't have a pandemic. We would rather force healthcare workers to work while sick and infectious than force people to get a couple jabs. Obviously people will think my opinion is biased since I'm a healthcare provider but it's hard to hide this frustration and anger any longer. I'm all in favor of forced vaccination. Or a simply choice 'take the jab or sign here that you will renounce all medical care if you catch Covid' and lets all get on with our lives. If people want to keep being stupid they can take their chance with god. | ||
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