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On January 12 2022 02:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2022 02:05 Titusmaster6 wrote:On January 12 2022 02:00 Gorsameth wrote:On January 12 2022 01:22 Titusmaster6 wrote:On January 12 2022 01:03 JimmiC wrote:On January 12 2022 01:01 Titusmaster6 wrote:
It's the same bullshit in Connecticut. I expect it's the same everywhere. Money over everything. Im not sure its even that, health care is wildy expensive and the feds are picking up thr covid tab. Its an odd mix, if it was purely money you would have forced vaccination and super harsh penalties for amy risky behavior. Yes I agree. But since forced vaccination can't be a thing in the US, all the crap eventually settles down to the worker bees at the bottom. It's the employees that have to pick up and support the pieces, sacrificing themselves over and over again, wave after wave. I'm more in favor of "if we're short staffed, we're short staffed." The problem is that with a short staffed overfull hospital people die despite being curable simply because there is no one to treat them. Getting sick doctors and nurses to still come in isn't because of money over everything, its because you absolutely do not want to have to resort to medical triage. I think we all know the problem. My fight is that I feel the US public has not really empathized or felt what healthcare workers had to go through as a whole. I think medical triage is absolutely appropriate, even in times when we don't have a pandemic. We would rather force healthcare workers to work while sick and infectious than force people to get a couple jabs. Obviously people will think my opinion is biased since I'm a healthcare provider but it's hard to hide this frustration and anger any longer. Oh I completely understand where your coming from, its a miracle and a testament to the healthcare workers that the entire system hasn't collapsed from just pure exhaustion. I don't know the nitty gritty of how it is in the US but here its been non stop pressure for 2 years now, if its not a Covid peak its working to reduce the backlog caused by the previous peak halting all non-critical care. I'm all in favor of forced vaccination. Or a simply choice 'take the jab or sign here that you will renounce all medical care if you catch Covid' and lets all get on with our lives. If people want to keep being stupid they can take their chance with god.
Yes absolutely. I am with you 100%
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On January 12 2022 02:08 Titusmaster6 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2022 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Omicron does not appear to be spreading within the staff at hospitals. It seems like it’s just “gotta live my life” folks who work at hospitals. And if it isn’t spreading among staff, and they are no longer symptomatic, it makes sense for them to work I'm not sure what the distinguishing thing is Mohdoo but in my experience, with a positivity rate of almost 25% in CT, everyone is catching Covid whether they are "living life" or not. One could argue, that for those with 2 vaccinations and the most recent booster, now is the "best" time to catch the virus.
The people I know who have gotten covid regularly do one or more of the following: indoor dining, sports games, social gatherings, bars, other forms of indoor gathering
Out of my friends and family who don’t do any of those things, none of them have gotten covid yet.
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Well, Quebec is starting the movement to tax the unvaccinated
Quebec Premier François Legault said Tuesday the province would be imposing a health tax on Quebecers who refuse to get their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine in the coming weeks.
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Legault did not say when the tax would take effect or how much it would cost, but he did say he wanted it to be significant enough to act as incentive to get vaccinated — more than 50 or 100 dollars, he added. Legault said details would be revealed "in the coming weeks."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/unvaccinated-health-contribution-quebec-1.6311054
Gonna be interesting to see how it's implemented, and what happens as it winds its way through the courts.
USA insurance providers should do the same to be honest, but there's little incentive as the US gov't still pays for costs. If the insurance providers had to pay, they'd change their tune real quick.
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Cover everything but covid doesn't seem that useful compared to higher insurance premiums if unvacced or a government tax.
Hospital stays, esp ICU, are expensive. Without coverage people simply go bankrupt and the cost gets calculated around to everyone else to make up for it.
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On January 12 2022 05:41 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2022 05:21 Gorsameth wrote:
Cover everything but covid doesn't seem that useful compared to higher insurance premiums if unvacced or a government tax.
Hospital stays, esp ICU, are expensive. Without coverage people simply go bankrupt and the cost gets calculated around to everyone else to make up for it. I'm not an expert on the US health system so I'm not sure how it work, just stating that exclusions are fairly common in insurance. My guess is while you would have some go bankrupt most people find that extremely frightening and the majority would get vaxxed and those who do not would likely get terrible care and the poor would like you say file and the rest would lose everything. The US system seems pretty ruthless. Private insurers would probably do the math on what is better for them. (A lot of) Anti-vaxxers don't believe they will land in the hospital in the first place, that's why they don't see the need for the vaccine but begrudgingly do so when not being vaccinated means they can't go to the pub.
So they won't fear medical bankruptcy from getting Covid, because its just the flu.
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Interesting to see how he can wriggle out of this damning evidence. Feign ignorance over his PCR test?
The greatest irony could be that the first PCR test was a false positive, and he didn't really have that serious of a COVID infection after all (which explains his carefree outgoing behaviour). And then his agents thought using the first PCR test would be a golden ticket to get into Australia (did the experts who cleared him even know of the second negative test and take effort to dig deeper on his condition via an interview or questionnaire?).
Even if he could somehow justify his exemption on some technicality, hard to see how anyone can empathise with him or his tennis crew. There's either some wilful deception, or reckless opportunistic behaviour.
Djokovic Covid timeline: Did he break rules after testing positive? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59939122
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On January 12 2022 04:47 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2022 04:31 Lmui wrote:Well, Quebec is starting the movement to tax the unvaccinated Quebec Premier François Legault said Tuesday the province would be imposing a health tax on Quebecers who refuse to get their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine in the coming weeks.
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Legault did not say when the tax would take effect or how much it would cost, but he did say he wanted it to be significant enough to act as incentive to get vaccinated — more than 50 or 100 dollars, he added. Legault said details would be revealed "in the coming weeks." https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/unvaccinated-health-contribution-quebec-1.6311054Gonna be interesting to see how it's implemented, and what happens as it winds its way through the courts. USA insurance providers should do the same to be honest, but there's little incentive as the US gov't still pays for costs. If the insurance providers had to pay, they'd change their tune real quick. I was just going to post this. I think a tax like this makes a lot of sense, they are way more expensive. It is along the same lines as taxes on cigarettes and so on. The US will be interesting because not only will it get really really expensive for the unvaccinated or will their be exclusions (we will cover everything but covid), and are the Feds going to shoulder the costs for the all the long covid cases.
In Canada, only if you don't believe in 2-tier healthcare- the very thing the Liberals at the federal level keep trying to scare their base with the ReformaCONs boogeymen hiding the closet, ready to impose American-style healthcare on unsuspecting Canadians.
It is absolutely not like taxes on cigarettes. That's a consumption tax on something you buy. Unless you intend on privatizing our entire public healthcare system, entering a hospital is not something you directly buy.
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On January 12 2022 12:11 RKC wrote:Interesting to see how he can wriggle out of this damning evidence. Feign ignorance over his PCR test? The greatest irony could be that the first PCR test was a false positive, and he didn't really have that serious of a COVID infection after all (which explains his carefree outgoing behaviour). And then his agents thought using the first PCR test would be a golden ticket to get into Australia (did the experts who cleared him even know of the second negative test and take effort to dig deeper on his condition via an interview or questionnaire?). Even if he could somehow justify his exemption on some technicality, hard to see how anyone can empathise with him or his tennis crew. There's either some wilful deception, or reckless opportunistic behaviour. Djokovic Covid timeline: Did he break rules after testing positive? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59939122
Novak Djokovic: Mistake on Australia travel form was human error https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59935127
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On January 12 2022 13:20 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2022 12:11 RKC wrote:Interesting to see how he can wriggle out of this damning evidence. Feign ignorance over his PCR test? The greatest irony could be that the first PCR test was a false positive, and he didn't really have that serious of a COVID infection after all (which explains his carefree outgoing behaviour). And then his agents thought using the first PCR test would be a golden ticket to get into Australia (did the experts who cleared him even know of the second negative test and take effort to dig deeper on his condition via an interview or questionnaire?). Even if he could somehow justify his exemption on some technicality, hard to see how anyone can empathise with him or his tennis crew. There's either some wilful deception, or reckless opportunistic behaviour. Djokovic Covid timeline: Did he break rules after testing positive? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59939122 Novak Djokovic: Mistake on Australia travel form was human error https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59935127
How to destroy your reputation and tarnsh your legacy for absolutely no reason masterclass, by Djokovic. You would think the people around him knew better.
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On January 12 2022 18:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2022 13:20 RKC wrote:On January 12 2022 12:11 RKC wrote:Interesting to see how he can wriggle out of this damning evidence. Feign ignorance over his PCR test? The greatest irony could be that the first PCR test was a false positive, and he didn't really have that serious of a COVID infection after all (which explains his carefree outgoing behaviour). And then his agents thought using the first PCR test would be a golden ticket to get into Australia (did the experts who cleared him even know of the second negative test and take effort to dig deeper on his condition via an interview or questionnaire?). Even if he could somehow justify his exemption on some technicality, hard to see how anyone can empathise with him or his tennis crew. There's either some wilful deception, or reckless opportunistic behaviour. Djokovic Covid timeline: Did he break rules after testing positive? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59939122 Novak Djokovic: Mistake on Australia travel form was human error https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59935127 How to destroy your reputation and tarnsh your legacy for absolutely no reason masterclass, by Djokovic. You would think the people around him knew better.
What reputation?
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This was the first time in 2 years that I've visited TL.net and not see this thread in the top 5 of the general section O.o Time to bump ^^
So how are you all holding up?
In Germany they coupled the covid rules to the ICU rate/ hospitalization a while back and now ICU numbers are looking decent againt but they just keep the strict ruleset up. Politicians lol
semi offtopic: Djokovic is ridiculous. The amount of integrity this guys is missing is astounding. I hope he is never allowed to play AUS Open again
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Finland is in a weird place. Government is trying to push for stricter approach again, considering closing all restaurants and maybe pushing schools towards distance teaching. At the same time municipalities and regional health boards are shortening quarantine requirements, abandoning tracking of infections and advising against widespread testing for low/non-symptomatic vaccinated adults.
Basically government is still trying to limit the spread, whereas regional/local authorities have already moved on to the mitigation of effects and living with the widespread infections. Mostly it seems to be a question of resources, the strategy of preventing new infections via testing and tracking eats too much of the resources needed to deal with the constantly rising caseload.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1
New study by Kaiser/CDC on Omicron among Kaiser patients in Southern California
53% less risk of symptomatic hospitalization
74% less risk of ICU admission
91% less risk of death
0 Omicron patients of 52,297 cases required mechanical ventilation
With what I am seeing I suspect this wave in Cali may have peaked already or is peaking this week. Again, very unimpressed, basically what you'd see in a typical flu season except the flu season would last for several weeks longer.
Here in California this wave was still used as justification for a fresh rollout of a bunch of new measures. More mandated boosters, more vaccine passports, etc. Word on the street is that Berkeley school district is going to require all their students to wear n95s all day lol... This wave will long have burned out before any of these measures to go into effect so it's basically for show. I guess they have to look like they are doing something to placate the COVID hysterics.
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On January 13 2022 21:34 BlackJack wrote:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1New study by Kaiser/CDC on Omicron among Kaiser patients in Southern California 53% less risk of symptomatic hospitalization 74% less risk of ICU admission 91% less risk of death 0 Omicron patients of 52,297 cases required mechanical ventilation With what I am seeing I suspect this wave in Cali may have peaked already or is peaking this week. Again, very unimpressed, basically what you'd see in a typical flu season except the flu season would last for several weeks longer. Here in California this wave was still used as justification for a fresh rollout of a bunch of new measures. More mandated boosters, more vaccine passports, etc. Word on the street is that Berkeley school district is going to require all their students to wear n95s all day lol... This wave will long have burned out before any of these measures to go into effect so it's basically for show. I guess they have to look like they are doing something to placate the COVID hysterics.
Yes, I completely agree. Around here, positive tests are everywhere, but you have to look really hard to find cases which were more than a few days of coughs and a light fever.
Politicians assumed the worst with Omnicron, but noone is ready to admit they were wrong and scale back unnecessary measures yet. Even the WHO seems very reluctant.
I absolutely hate the "better safe than sorry" approach, especially assuming that vaccines do nothing and that the initial data from South Africa was wrong. I am starting to think politicians and HC-authorities get high on their own impact and cling on to their power of people's lives, even though the most likely is that they are afraid of being called responsible for a disaster.
There is light in the end of the tunnel, though. The Spanish prime minister has said Covid will be vigilated like a common flu when this wave is over. Giving the newspaper a steady show of "shocking" numbers is a terrible strategy at this point. Hopefully, that will be very soon, and other countries will follow suit.
Source in Spanish
https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20220110/sanchez-estrategia-seguimiento-covid-gripe-precio-antigenos-13076306
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On January 13 2022 22:02 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2022 21:34 BlackJack wrote:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1New study by Kaiser/CDC on Omicron among Kaiser patients in Southern California 53% less risk of symptomatic hospitalization 74% less risk of ICU admission 91% less risk of death 0 Omicron patients of 52,297 cases required mechanical ventilation With what I am seeing I suspect this wave in Cali may have peaked already or is peaking this week. Again, very unimpressed, basically what you'd see in a typical flu season except the flu season would last for several weeks longer. Here in California this wave was still used as justification for a fresh rollout of a bunch of new measures. More mandated boosters, more vaccine passports, etc. Word on the street is that Berkeley school district is going to require all their students to wear n95s all day lol... This wave will long have burned out before any of these measures to go into effect so it's basically for show. I guess they have to look like they are doing something to placate the COVID hysterics. Yes, I completely agree. Around here, positive tests are everywhere, but you have to look really hard to find cases which were more than a few days of coughs and a light fever. Politicians assumed the worst with Omnicron, but noone is ready to admit they were wrong and scale back unnecessary measures yet. Even the WHO seems very reluctant. I absolutely hate the "better safe than sorry" approach, especially assuming that vaccines do nothing and that the initial data from South Africa was wrong. I am starting to think politicians and HC-authorities get high on their own impact and cling on to their power of people's lives, even though the most likely is that they are afraid of being called responsible for a disaster. There is light in the end of the tunnel, though. The Spanish prime minister has said Covid will be vigilated like a common flu when this wave is over. Giving the newspaper a steady show of "shocking" numbers is a terrible strategy at this point. Hopefully, that will be very soon, and other countries will follow suit. Source in Spanish https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20220110/sanchez-estrategia-seguimiento-covid-gripe-precio-antigenos-13076306
Can’t disagree. Norway has had its worst wave (mainly delta) in the past few weeks but as omicron is replacing Delta, the cases keep climbing while the hospitalization, icu patients and death go steadily down.
We’ll see in a few hours if the government is taking action as they have to decide if they ease or not the 5th wave restrictions.
Fingers crossed. I also am with you to think that omicron is probably the light at the end of the tunnel.
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