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On August 08 2021 00:22 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2021 00:11 Mohdoo wrote:On August 08 2021 00:07 LegalLord wrote:
There are always doses being thrown out. Probably a sign of either wasteful allocation (maybe send them to one of the many places in the world where they're in short supply instead?) or just the nature of making them available on a walk-in basis. Sure, it gives a couple people who want to get a third dose by their own initiative be able to freeload a dose without any immediate consequence, but that obviously doesn't scale to widespread administration of third doses.
I assume you're getting a fourth, fifth, and sixth dose as well based on the same logic? No idea if it really increases immunity by any appreciable amount, but hey, it can't make immunity worse and at least these are doses that would otherwise get thrown away, right? You're creating a silly straw man. You know this is silly. Not at all. Your justification for why a third dose is worth it seems flimsy at best, and the fact that you go immediately towards crying "silly straw man" corroborates that you don't really have a good reason behind it. The reason you wouldn't go for the fourth, fifth, and sixth dose is the same reason that most wouldn't go for the third: the marginal benefit of doing so is... marginal. At best.
I’ve described the logic in my post above. It sounds like you haven’t read literature on the 3rd dose so I understand your skepticism. The information is out there if you want it.
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On August 08 2021 00:22 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2021 00:11 Mohdoo wrote:On August 08 2021 00:07 LegalLord wrote:
There are always doses being thrown out. Probably a sign of either wasteful allocation (maybe send them to one of the many places in the world where they're in short supply instead?) or just the nature of making them available on a walk-in basis. Sure, it gives a couple people who want to get a third dose by their own initiative be able to freeload a dose without any immediate consequence, but that obviously doesn't scale to widespread administration of third doses.
I assume you're getting a fourth, fifth, and sixth dose as well based on the same logic? No idea if it really increases immunity by any appreciable amount, but hey, it can't make immunity worse and at least these are doses that would otherwise get thrown away, right? You're creating a silly straw man. You know this is silly. Not at all. Your justification for why a third dose is worth it seems flimsy at best, and the fact that you go immediately towards crying "silly straw man" corroborates that you don't really have a good reason behind it. The reason you wouldn't go for the fourth, fifth, and sixth dose is the same reason that most wouldn't go for the third: the marginal benefit of doing so is... marginal. At best.
Well, there is data to support a third dose. Is there to support your suggested fourth? Fifth? Sixth?
Working as an ICU-doctor I am probably among the most intensely exposed (though with some of the best equipment). I haven't been offered a third dose yet, I would consider taking it as I was vaccinated last January, but not so much due to Delta. In dual-vaccinated the disease-course seems rather mild.
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On August 08 2021 00:36 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2021 00:22 LegalLord wrote:On August 08 2021 00:11 Mohdoo wrote:On August 08 2021 00:07 LegalLord wrote:
There are always doses being thrown out. Probably a sign of either wasteful allocation (maybe send them to one of the many places in the world where they're in short supply instead?) or just the nature of making them available on a walk-in basis. Sure, it gives a couple people who want to get a third dose by their own initiative be able to freeload a dose without any immediate consequence, but that obviously doesn't scale to widespread administration of third doses.
I assume you're getting a fourth, fifth, and sixth dose as well based on the same logic? No idea if it really increases immunity by any appreciable amount, but hey, it can't make immunity worse and at least these are doses that would otherwise get thrown away, right? You're creating a silly straw man. You know this is silly. Not at all. Your justification for why a third dose is worth it seems flimsy at best, and the fact that you go immediately towards crying "silly straw man" corroborates that you don't really have a good reason behind it. The reason you wouldn't go for the fourth, fifth, and sixth dose is the same reason that most wouldn't go for the third: the marginal benefit of doing so is... marginal. At best. Well, there is data to support a third dose. Is there to support your suggested fourth? Fifth? Sixth? Working as an ICU-doctor I am probably among the most intensely exposed (though with some of the best equipment). I haven't been offered a third dose yet, I would consider taking it as I was vaccinated last January, but not so much due to Delta. In dual-vaccinated the disease-course seems rather mild.
The bolded is kind of the point. When the benefit is marginal, and we're not even talking about a delta-specific booster, there's good reason not to waste resources that are globally in short supply.
No one is going to be talking about fourth doses when most of the world is at the 0-2 dose point, that much is true. But the logic there would be the same as that for three. I suppose if you go by the strict standard of "papers aren't being published about whether or not we should be doing 4th, 5th, 6th doses" then yes, third doses have an advantage in having been written about. Frankly, I'm not convinced from the literature as-written about 3rd doses, it doesn't sound like you are 100% convinced either (though erring on the side of caution due to being closer to the action), and the rationale for 4th+ doses wouldn't be any different.
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7 day averages for documented infections, and hospitalizations are both higher than they were this time last year in Washington state and trending higher. I didn't have high hopes for 2021, but damn...
www.nytimes.com
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then you should just close those places because I doubt there is test capacity to just test everyone constantly.
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Anyone know if the kf94 masks on Amazon are legit? Is there any way to buy directly from South Korea?
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On August 09 2021 21:26 teeel141 wrote:
Anyone know if the kf94 masks on Amazon are legit? Is there any way to buy directly from South Korea?
I'd recommend only buying the masks from drug stores. When it comes to safety, it makes sense to take as few chances as possible.
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On August 09 2021 09:29 GreenHorizons wrote:7 day averages for documented infections, and hospitalizations are both higher than they were this time last year in Washington state and trending higher. I didn't have high hopes for 2021, but damn... www.nytimes.com
The transmissibility is just way too high to be contained. Workplaces with mask mandates ending up with vaccinated people getting infected by working near each other for a long time. At this point the only way to avoid getting it is actual social distancing, shopping late at night, and just letting this next month blow over. It’s spreading so fast that we’ll probably be done within 2-3 weeks.
For anyone confused why the situation is way worse now, even with vaccines, here’s what we’re dealing with.
The covid from July of last year is on the left. Delta is on the right. I think this is why we’re seeing entire groups of vaccinated people infected
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On August 10 2021 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
Well it is only way worse for the unvaccinated. Sure vaccinated people are getting infected but for them Covid is just like getting the flu.
The issue is kids can't get the vaccine, so many adults have chosen not too and it is so bad for the unvaccinated that it is filling up the hospitals.
I didn’t mean infection is way worse. I meant the rate of people becoming infected is way worse. Sorry for being unclear, still early in the morning over here 
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On August 09 2021 21:26 teeel141 wrote:
Anyone know if the kf94 masks on Amazon are legit? Is there any way to buy directly from South Korea?
Given that Amazon can't even be trusted for selling legitimate products for simple things like flash drives or batteries, I'd absolutely never trust them for buying masks or anything medical. Current Amazon is basically the same as AliExpress except Amazon keeps pretending they don't have a counterfeit product issue. Even if you buy stuff that appears to be direct from Amazon themselves, there is a chance it could be counterfeit because they mix their own inventory with that of some third-party sellers.
I agree with the post about only buying them from drug stores. Though in some places, other stores like supermarkets might have them in the pharmacy section.
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On August 10 2021 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
Well it is only way worse for the unvaccinated. Sure vaccinated people are getting infected but for them Covid is just like getting the flu.
The issue is kids can't get the vaccine, so many adults have chosen not too and it is so bad for the unvaccinated that it is filling up the hospitals.
This isn't true in the US according to this article nymag.com
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On August 10 2021 02:09 teeel141 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2021 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
Well it is only way worse for the unvaccinated. Sure vaccinated people are getting infected but for them Covid is just like getting the flu.
The issue is kids can't get the vaccine, so many adults have chosen not too and it is so bad for the unvaccinated that it is filling up the hospitals. This isn't true in the US according to this article nymag.com
Very poor article. It makes bad comparisons. With testing and lockdown measures being so wildly different, there is nothing we can say to compare infection rates between the two times.
NYmag is making an effort to produce content that has the appearance of being valid. It isn't. This is a form of entertainment, just FYI
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On August 10 2021 03:27 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2021 02:09 teeel141 wrote:On August 10 2021 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
Well it is only way worse for the unvaccinated. Sure vaccinated people are getting infected but for them Covid is just like getting the flu.
The issue is kids can't get the vaccine, so many adults have chosen not too and it is so bad for the unvaccinated that it is filling up the hospitals. This isn't true in the US according to this article nymag.com Very poor article. It makes bad comparisons. With testing and lockdown measures being so wildly different, there is nothing we can say to compare infection rates between the two times. NYmag is making an effort to produce content that has the appearance of being valid. It isn't. This is a form of entertainment, just FYI
NYMag has pretty solid ratings for their factualness. Better than CNN/MSNBC, WaPo and on par with the NYT. Perhaps you're thinking of NY Post?
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On August 10 2021 07:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2021 03:27 Mohdoo wrote:On August 10 2021 02:09 teeel141 wrote:On August 10 2021 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
Well it is only way worse for the unvaccinated. Sure vaccinated people are getting infected but for them Covid is just like getting the flu.
The issue is kids can't get the vaccine, so many adults have chosen not too and it is so bad for the unvaccinated that it is filling up the hospitals. This isn't true in the US according to this article nymag.com Very poor article. It makes bad comparisons. With testing and lockdown measures being so wildly different, there is nothing we can say to compare infection rates between the two times. NYmag is making an effort to produce content that has the appearance of being valid. It isn't. This is a form of entertainment, just FYI NYMag has pretty solid ratings for their factualness. Better than CNN/MSNBC, WaPo and on par with the NYT. Perhaps you're thinking of NY Post?
No I read the article and it was bad. Apparently the NY Mag isn't always great.
Edit: And just to be clear, I have read great articles by the NY Mag. But they don't only focus on high quality stuff. This article is quite bad and it can be really bad without the NY Mag being bad.
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On August 10 2021 11:37 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2021 07:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 10 2021 03:27 Mohdoo wrote:On August 10 2021 02:09 teeel141 wrote:On August 10 2021 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
Well it is only way worse for the unvaccinated. Sure vaccinated people are getting infected but for them Covid is just like getting the flu.
The issue is kids can't get the vaccine, so many adults have chosen not too and it is so bad for the unvaccinated that it is filling up the hospitals. This isn't true in the US according to this article nymag.com Very poor article. It makes bad comparisons. With testing and lockdown measures being so wildly different, there is nothing we can say to compare infection rates between the two times. NYmag is making an effort to produce content that has the appearance of being valid. It isn't. This is a form of entertainment, just FYI NYMag has pretty solid ratings for their factualness. Better than CNN/MSNBC, WaPo and on par with the NYT. Perhaps you're thinking of NY Post? No I read the article and it was bad. Apparently the NY Mag isn't always great. Edit: And just to be clear, I have read great articles by the NY Mag. But they don't only focus on high quality stuff. This article is quite bad and it can be really bad without the NY Mag being bad.
Can you provide a specific example of what makes it bad/not valid?
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On August 10 2021 13:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2021 11:37 Mohdoo wrote:On August 10 2021 07:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 10 2021 03:27 Mohdoo wrote:On August 10 2021 02:09 teeel141 wrote:On August 10 2021 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
Well it is only way worse for the unvaccinated. Sure vaccinated people are getting infected but for them Covid is just like getting the flu.
The issue is kids can't get the vaccine, so many adults have chosen not too and it is so bad for the unvaccinated that it is filling up the hospitals. This isn't true in the US according to this article nymag.com Very poor article. It makes bad comparisons. With testing and lockdown measures being so wildly different, there is nothing we can say to compare infection rates between the two times. NYmag is making an effort to produce content that has the appearance of being valid. It isn't. This is a form of entertainment, just FYI NYMag has pretty solid ratings for their factualness. Better than CNN/MSNBC, WaPo and on par with the NYT. Perhaps you're thinking of NY Post? No I read the article and it was bad. Apparently the NY Mag isn't always great. Edit: And just to be clear, I have read great articles by the NY Mag. But they don't only focus on high quality stuff. This article is quite bad and it can be really bad without the NY Mag being bad. Can you provide a specific example of what makes it bad/not valid?
They make inferences based on bad comparisons. Don’t care to go into more detail
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