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fonger
United Kingdom1218 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On April 25 2021 09:25 fonger wrote: You apparently support the very dangerous "zero virus" view that will lead to the future we'll end up in anyway. Your question on whether it sounds hateful, yes. You will hate the unvaccinated (for as long as they're around) because you think you're cleverer than them and that they're making your planet worse. What a shame, but thankfully the law will support and eventually enforce your opinion  Please try to think outside your box You're assuming a lot of things about me, and none of them are true. I recommend that you don't play the lottery anytime soon. On April 25 2021 09:27 fonger wrote: Also gimme your links, I'm gonna sleep (UK time)... You'll have to tell me what information exactly it is that you want, so I can provide it to you and not waste the time of either of us. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
edit: why most of our world leaders have decided to shut down huge sectors of their respective economies for more than a year? because even without covid, there is a major economic crisis(worse than the one in 2007/2008) going on. the governments are using the 'shut downs' to control on what the people can spend their money: close off the entertainment <-> leave open food stores, etc..., with the result that (statistics show)some people have excess savings, savings to be spent to relaunch the economy(allegedly) on "covid end". consumerism ftw. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4428 Posts
Considering the vaccine doesn’t stop people getting or spreading covid I can’t see how international travel can ever return to normal.Government here needs to clarify their long term position, Even the health minister recently stated international borders may not reopen even if everyone had the vaccine. https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/international-borders-might-not-open-even-if-whole-country-is-vaccinated-greg-hunt-20210413-p57ixi.html | ||
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Slydie
1987 Posts
On April 25 2021 19:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Yeah you don’t want a zero covid strategy.Somehow here in Perth someone caught covid whilst in hotel quarantine, sealed in their room.No open windows etc.We’re back under lockdown for 3 days over two cases. Considering the vaccine doesn’t stop people getting or spreading covid I can’t see how international travel can ever return to normal.Government here needs to clarify their long term position, Even the health minister recently stated international borders may not reopen even if everyone had the vaccine. https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/international-borders-might-not-open-even-if-whole-country-is-vaccinated-greg-hunt-20210413-p57ixi.html I am not worried. Our collective immune system (with the help of vaccines) will take care of this, as it has with every previous pandemic, given time. People will die from Covid 30 years from now, but it will be brought in line with every other infectious illness we are facing. The fear is the most dangerous for returning to normal life. I absolutely hate how a covid-19 death is somehow regarded worse than dying from anything else. People die, and there is nothing we can do about it, we should only really care about overloading the hospitals imo. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On April 25 2021 14:30 xM(Z wrote: for what is worth, i share his impression of you. you come off extremely scared/terrified, overcompensating with rules and deeds for every non-zero covid scenario. edit:because even without covid, there is a major economic crisis(worse than the one in 2007/2008) going on. the governments are using the 'shut downs' to control on what the people can spend their money: close off the entertainment <-> leave open food stores, etc..., with the result that (statistics show)some people have excess savings, savings to be spent to relaunch the economy(allegedly) on "covid end". consumerism ftw. Both our freedoms and the economy suffer the least in a zero covid scenario. That has nothing to do with me being scared or overcompensating. I want my freedom back and I want the economy to recover. Both of that can be done best with no sars-cov-2 being around. To support my position I can point to at least three countries that are either fully or mostly open and citizens have kept or regained either all or most of their freedoms, by bringing cases down to zero or near zero and making sure they don't go back up: Taiwan, Australia, NZ. I could also add Singapore but I'd argue that wasn't a free country to begin with. However, if you look at their GDP, it hasn't suffered one bit, so in that regard they're also a success story. In most ways Vietnam falls into quite a similar category as Singapore. Taiwan (as well as Singapore and Vietnam) has a very healthy GDP. Australia and NZ have not seen their GDP growing, but also not hurting any more than was expected without this virus being around. Meanwhile GDP in many other countries has suffered immensely, including the US which was expected to grow but was forced to go just break-even. I challenge you to find a country that had a looser approach to the pandemic and didn't perform poorly economically in 2020/2021. A lot of freedom was also removed from people in many countries, including many of the ones that had among the highest freedom index prior to the pandemic. With a zero covid approach, the Taiwanese have maintained most of their freedoms, and Australians and New Zealanders have mostly regained it. https://www.movehub.com/blog/best-and-worst-covid-responses/ | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8908 Posts
On April 25 2021 19:23 Slydie wrote: I am not worried. Our collective immune system (with the help of vaccines) will take care of this, as it has with every previous pandemic, given time. People will die from Covid 30 years from now, but it will be brought in line with every other infectious illness we are facing. The fear is the most dangerous for returning to normal life. I absolutely hate how a covid-19 death is somehow regarded worse than dying from anything else. People die, and there is nothing we can do about it, we should only really care about overloading the hospitals imo. yeah pretty much this. this has been my stance since pretty much the beginning of covid, but somehow now its apparently a crime to think that covid deaths are inevitable and we should think about returning to normal lives for everyone who isnt going to die. 3 day lockdowns because of 1 case in perth is fking pathetic. thank god i dont have a dumbass potato for a premier like that in nsw. the thing that angers me the most is that australians are either too lazy to do or say anything or dont give a fuck enough to say anything when the government does stupid shit. saying there wont be international travel until 2024 even with a fully vaccinated population should absolutely see people raise pitchforks at parliament house. instead the majority of the voting population is just gonna be like "oh well. australias fine, why leave?". if the vaccine isnt going to work perfectly, then treat it like the flu. people will get sick and some people will die. doesnt mean the rest of the world has to live in cages because of it | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37096 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18371 Posts
On April 25 2021 21:18 evilfatsh1t wrote: yeah pretty much this. this has been my stance since pretty much the beginning of covid, but somehow now its apparently a crime to think that covid deaths are inevitable and we should think about returning to normal lives for everyone who isnt going to die. 3 day lockdowns because of 1 case in perth is fking pathetic. thank god i dont have a dumbass potato for a premier like that in nsw. the thing that angers me the most is that australians are either too lazy to do or say anything or dont give a fuck enough to say anything when the government does stupid shit. saying there wont be international travel until 2024 even with a fully vaccinated population should absolutely see people raise pitchforks at parliament house. instead the majority of the voting population is just gonna be like "oh well. australias fine, why leave?". if the vaccine isnt going to work perfectly, then treat it like the flu. people will get sick and some people will die. doesnt mean the rest of the world has to live in cages because of it As very much not a microbiologist, I am hesitant to say anything either way, but flu is not a disease we "just agree to live with". It's a disease we cannot eradicate, and are constantly monitoring worldwide to ensure no new zoonotic strain jumps to humans and creates a pandemic. Covid is worse than almost all flu strains we know of. Just because the last time a flu was particularly awful was 100 years ago doesn't mean we can just "live with it". There are overreactions, but there are also underreactions. I don't think we have figured out the ideal protocol here. But lockdowns (hopefully local) are going to be a part of dealing with new strains, probably forever. Just as they are a part of dealing with outbreaks of Ebola, MRSA and other particularly nasty diseases we have to deal with. Further research will tell us whether new Covid strains are hugely problematic and full lockdown of a whole area (building, neighbourhood, city, region...) is the advisable thing to do if a single case is detected (e.g. ebola)... or we can simply give a voluntary annual vaccine for everybody and be mostly safe treating people who *do* get sick as normal (e.g. flu). Even in the latter case, as with flu, if a new and unexpected strain pops up, more serious measures will need to be taken. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
The European Union sues AstraZeneca over missing vaccine doses@NYTimes The European Union has sued AstraZeneca over what the bloc has described as delays in shipping hundreds of millions of doses of coronavirus vaccines, a sharp escalation of a longstanding dispute between the bloc and the maker of one of the world’s most important vaccines. AstraZeneca has said that it would be able to deliver only a third of the 300 million doses that European officials had been expecting by the end of June. As a result, European officials said on Monday that they believed AstraZeneca had broken its contract, and that they were seeking speedier deliveries than the company said it could muster. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22473 Posts
On April 29 2021 01:09 Doublemint wrote: AZ seems to have sold more then they could produce/deliver because $$.some interesting developments finally. The European Union sues AstraZeneca over missing vaccine doses@NYTimes Only logical that it would result in consequences for them when they then feel to meet quota's. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5838 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Hopefully by the end of the year I can get mine | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations I don't know how much longer they can stockpile without exporting - It's open in all states, and from what I've heard, most states have moved to a walk-in vaccination model. The vaccines are available to pretty much everyone at this point so I hope Biden's going to start sharing more than just AZ soon. On a personal note, my parents are booked in for vaccination this weekend. 2.5 weeks until they're well protected, and I can breathe easy. Congrats to everyone who's already gotten vaccinated, it's the start of the end game for you. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
A lot of US states have already waived residency requirements. I have relatives in Canada who said that their first and second doses were scheduled 4 months apart. I just told them to drive down here and get their second. Lots of Latin Americans are also coming here for their shots. Personally, I'm scheduled to get my second dose in 2 weeks and will be fully vaccinated 2 weeks after that. I'm in the last cohort to be eligible here. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9234 Posts
The only problem is demand. I don't think we'll even reach 30% fully vaccinated before the government has to start thinking of creative ways to coerce the rest into getting it. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
Brazil health regulator rejects Russia's Sputnik vaccine Ana Carolina Moreira Marino Araujo, general manager for health monitoring, said that taking into account all the documentation presented, data acquired at in-person inspections and information from other regulators, "inherent risks" were too great. A crucial issue was the presence in the vaccine of the adenovirus that could reproduce, a "serious" defect, according to Anvisa's medicines and biological products manager Gustavo Mendes. The Sputnik V shot has been approved in several countries around the world. Russian scientists say it is 97.6% effective against COVID-19 in a "real-world" assessment based on data from 3.8 million people, Moscow's Gamaleya Institute and the Russian Direct Investment Fund said last week. But, like Anvisa, the European Union has not yet approved the vaccine, saying it needs more information on the tests and manufacturing process. I am starting to see a pattern. Slovakia came to the same conclusion as Brazil.@Reuters via yahoo finance SUKL said the batches sent to Slovakia also showed different characteristics from those used in studies published in The Lancet peer-reviewed medical journal. The Russian Direct Investment Fund, Russia's sovereign wealth fund responsible for marketing the vaccine abroad, vigorously denied these claims, describing them as "fake news". It said the Slovak side had not tested the shot in a specially-certified laboratory, adding that this was in violation of contract obligations and "an act of sabotage". RDIF said it had requested the Slovak government send some batches to a European Union certified laboratory for additional tests, as well as send the main shipment back to Russia. "RDIF ... has sent a letter on April 6, 2021 asking to return the vaccine due to multiple contract violations so that it can be used in other countries," a statement, shared on the vaccine's official Twitter page, said. "All Sputnik V batches are of the same quality and undergo rigorous quality control at the Gamaleya Institute," it said. DATA GAP Slovakia's drug agency also concluded that it could not determine the benefits and risks of Sputnik V, due to gaps in the data provided by Moscow about pre-clinical testing, production, and clinical tests. "A substantial part of the data, approximately 80%, was not supplied even after repeated requests," it said. RDIF did not respond to questions about gaps in the data identified by SUKL. The wealth fund said its chief executive, Kirill Dmitriev, had held a meeting with Slovakia's Finance Minister Igor Matovič earlier in the day, adding that "RDIF remains committed to assisting the people of Slovakia with vaccination by Sputnik V." Given serious delays in EU-wide orders of vaccines, Matovič planned to make Slovakia the second EU country after Hungary to start using the vaccine, despite a lack of clearance from the EU medicines agency EMA. EMA approval process is still ongoing. fingers crossed! lol | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18371 Posts
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I'm calling out hate, of which I see/hear a lot of coming out of you and your mates. You represent the "new normal" of terribly clever people telling the rest of us how we're wrong. Frankly that's nauseating.
