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"Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were necessary to defend the most fragile members of the community."
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Kreuger
Sweden733 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51810673 "Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were necessary to defend the most fragile members of the community." | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12193 Posts
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/florida-rep-matt-gaetz-spotted-on-air-force-one-with-trump-hours-before-self-quarantining-over-covid-19-fears/ Kind of clickbait still because no transmission is confirmed, but something to follow. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On March 10 2020 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: But it feels like it has slowed way down. Still only a few cases in Oregon. Basically just took out an old folks home in Washington, right? It really just isn't exploding in the US like it did other places. What do you mean it has slowed way down and is not exploding ? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/natw13A.jpg) Taken from here and consistent with other sources. France was in this situation three days ago. Now we have 1400. The rate looks similar for now. Italy was there 12 days ago. The rate was again, similar. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4197 Posts
I will not lie.. i'm kinda scared atm.. i'm not panicking, but.. yeah, this doesnt look good at all. | ||
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pmh
1352 Posts
On March 10 2020 05:20 Sermokala wrote: One of the major side effects of the virus on world economics is that the alliance between Russia and OPEC is now gone. OPEC was negotiating with Russia to cut production and keep oil prices up but Russia refused in order to not lose more market share to the US. Now the Saudis are dumping oil into the market and the price of oil is going down to $25 a barrel or so. Yes this is interesting,though i am not sure it is related to the corona virus. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10514 Posts
On March 09 2020 21:40 Swisslink wrote: Not really. But I like the comparison with flights: just because flying is dangerous for sick people, no one argues that flights should be forbidden for everyone. You just advice these people not to fly. Right now, the countermeasures against the Corona Virus are just plain stupid and completely miss the spot. The WHO clearly states that barely any transmission of the virus is happening without any symptoms. Therefore a simple advice not to visit elderly people (or people that are otherwise at risk) if you have symptoms would help more than any idiotic prohibition of any cultural events. Right now we have a mass hysteria based on assumptions that clearly contradict any statement of the health institute. For example: the flu spreads faster than Corona. The flu can be transmitted without symptoms, Corona can‘t. The flu is spread amongst all age groups, Corona is restricted to (mostly) 60+. Especially the last point obviously affects the mortality rate of the virus. And as mentioned: yes, we have to protect those people at risk. But not with overall prohibitions, and instead clear communication not to visit mass events if you‘re at risk and that you shouldn‘t visit your parents/grandparents and shouldn‘t attend any big events if you show any symptoms. I would, however, suggest the same for the seasonal flu as well. Not being a dick should be the first rule under any circumstances. As far as I know WHO still has the mortality rate at 3.4% which means if 10% of the US population were infected it would kill 1 million people. It's some multiplier more deadly than the flu. It's not the beginning of the apocalypse but to say it's not really dangerous is inconsiderate of those at risk, i.e the elderly and immunocompromised. But as the poster you were implying to stated, the real danger here is overwhelming our Healthcare system. I just lost 4 more coworkers yesterday to quarantine despite CDC releasing new guidelines to only quarantine workers that are symptomatic. We are down 10+ staff now. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 10 2020 06:36 pmh wrote: Yes this is interesting,though i am not sure it is related to the corona virus. It definitely is. The reason that Russia didn't want a supply cut seems to be heavily influenced by the fact that the coronavirus has led to a pretty serious demand shock, for which a supply cut is not a good answer. On March 10 2020 05:58 Kreuger wrote: All of Italy under quarantine measures https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51810673 "Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said the measures, which come into effect on Tuesday, were necessary to defend the most fragile members of the community." Though it seems to garner widespread praise in the mediaverse, I question if the quarantine approach is really the right way to stem the outbreak. It seems very likely to me that not only does this lead to some very troublesome places, but also it's hard to imagine the willingness to support full nation quarantine lasting long enough to really let the disease to stop spreading. I suppose one day we will know how accurate China's numbers are, and that will help to really understand how effective this was. I suspect it might not be quite so easy to stop something like this. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On March 10 2020 04:36 KwarK wrote: Sampling bias. If you test everyone who is slightly sick you’ll catch a bunch of cases where people recover and get a low death to infected ratio. But if you’re only testing people admitted to hospital with serious issues then you’re excluding a lot of potential infected but not in serious danger cases from your sample. People who are dying from Coronavirus are way, way more likely to be tested than people who have it but are healthy because hospital is a last resort in the US and there is a deliberate policy of not testing probable cases. This is actually something I'd like to see mentioned by "experts". If you show up with symptoms but aren't critically ill they just tell you to pay up or fuck off lol. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 10 2020 06:34 M3t4PhYzX wrote: What a fucking mess. . . I will not lie.. i'm kinda scared atm.. i'm not panicking, but.. yeah, this doesnt look good at all. I don't blame you - you'd be crazy if you weren't scared. This whole situation feels like climate change, but accelerated. Here in the USA, we are literally screaming that shit is about to go down, likely even worse than in Europe, yet some old fucking boomers in power keep denying it. Community spread is already happening in US states like Kentucky, which frankly doesn't have any major cities / transportation hubs. If that's the case, then this thing is long past containment, and now the best we can hope for is managing the caseload so that it doesn't collapse the healthcare system. Furthermore, the developing world hasn't yet been hit by this crisis yet, where healthcare systems are more vulnerable and less equipped to handle this caseload - we might only be in the first or second inning of this crisis Economic recession is already guaranteed - I see almost no way to avoid it. Now the goal is to avoid a severe recession like 2008. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Is the worst behind Korea? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/ | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23238 Posts
On March 10 2020 10:17 Bagration wrote: I don't blame you - you'd be crazy if you weren't scared. This whole situation feels like climate change, but accelerated. Here in the USA, we are literally screaming that shit is about to go down, likely even worse than in Europe, yet some old fucking boomers in power keep denying it. Community spread is already happening in US states like Kentucky, which frankly doesn't have any major cities / transportation hubs. If that's the case, then this thing is long past containment, and now the best we can hope for is managing the caseload so that it doesn't collapse the healthcare system. Furthermore, the developing world hasn't yet been hit by this crisis yet, where healthcare systems are more vulnerable and less equipped to handle this caseload - we might only be in the first or second inning of this crisis Economic recession is already guaranteed - I see almost no way to avoid it. Now the goal is to avoid a severe recession like 2008. Blends the space between politics, investing/trading, and Corona and me but I don't know how we can possibly avoid it. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 10 2020 10:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Blends the space between politics, investing/trading, and Corona and me but I don't know how we can possibly avoid it. True, I am blending topics hardcore :p Still, it does all feel connected in a way - the huge oil price cut by the Saudis would have been less likely had oil demand from East Asia not decreased due to virus fears. Iran could have been more forceful in its response had its government not already been on the backfoot from botching the tensions with the USA earlier this year, etc. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On March 10 2020 10:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Blends the space between politics, investing/trading, and Corona and me but I don't know how we can possibly avoid it. Now that I only leave my house to go to the gym and visit my girlfriend the only thing I can do for fun is buy the dip | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
As one of the four so-called "tier-1" cities (the other three being Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou), Shenzhen's economy can't afford the (partial) lockdown. With rent being many times higher than in lower-tier cities, the F&B, hotels, retail, etc. industries have all been hit pretty hard. There have already been small-scale rent protests by shopowners who have been forced to stay closed for the past few months. Hopefully the easing of restrictions doesn't result in a rebound for the virus. I was allowed to work from home for a few weeks, but now everyone at my workplace of over 60,000 employees has to come to the office. They check everyone's temperature, put hand sanitizer everywhere, give us flimsy masks that don't do much, and tell anyone with any symptoms to stay home. Could easily see the virus making a comeback here, but perhaps everyone will exercise good hygiene. | ||
Poopi
France12886 Posts
They are forbidding 1000+ people events here in France (except for protests / transportation and other « necessary » events), so the gamers assembly that had sc2 in its lineup will be canceled most probably, I would have liked to participate. The number of cases here explodes as well, which is not surprising. I would like to work from home but I’m not sure I will be allowed, unfortunately. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/france-bans-on-gatherings-of-over-1000-people-over-coronavirus-2020-3?amp | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
On March 10 2020 10:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Gym is emptier this week. Generic TP still available on Amazon because even when you panic you have standards apparently. Is the worst behind Korea? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/ It was looking to be, then today a cluster of 60 cases were confirmed at a call center in southwest Seoul. So we'll see how early they were able to catch that | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On March 10 2020 18:14 Elroi wrote: There was a big discussion about facemasks in this thread a couple of pages back. Now I just read a swedish scientist claiming that they are mostly useless and could even cause more harm than good if used incorrecly. He didn't give any good reasons for why it is like this though. Any local experts here on TL who could clarify? You touch your face more often with a mask and increase the risk of a smear infection. If the mask gets wet the barrier function ceases to work. Something like that. Albeit it being true for surgical masks mainly. unsure about the air filter stuff with higher protection level. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
Cloth masks really don't provide much protection if you're healthy. They rarely seal to your face well so you end up with at least as much airflow going around them as through. As has been said before, they're mostly effective when worn by people who are sick. If everyone everywhere wore them they would help a lot because people with the virus would end up coughing into their masks instead of the air, but we just don't have enough to do this. You notice the difference with the particle masks. The point is that everything you breathe has gone through the filters but that means you have to damn well work for it. | ||
KwarK
United States42704 Posts
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