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Id be glad to be rid of having to shake hands, a nice verbal greetings is just fine and I dont have to engage another person's sweaty hands with my own sweaty hands and create that damp bacterial hot spring
On May 13 2020 11:49 Mohdoo wrote: I'm fascinated by the places Covid seems to spread like like a superfluid and places where its a huge nothing burger.
A single choir practice kills 2 people. Old, yeah, but a single practice and its GG. I keep feeling like there is some Achilles heel that we just don't understand yet. Something like it dies in minutes at less than x humidity or some shit like that. I have no idea. Maybe I am just confused and know nothing.
We know some risk factors already. -Hand hygene is absolutely crucial as touching areas where droplets have fallen and then touch food and your face might be the main way this virus spreads.
-For air-spread, good ventilating and bigger rooms are better. Outside is much safer than inside in almost any circumstance.
-Air conditioning can cause droplets to travel further inside.
-Large droplets travel about 1 meter, but they usually say 2 meters to be sure.
For the choire, it would be interesting to hear exactly what they did. Choires tend to stay very close together, and if the rehearsed in a small and badly ventilated place and had some shared food in the break, I could easily see everyone getting infected.
That person should not have come.
Edit: a couple of good videos about this topic:
This makes sense and also makes people saying "maybe because people in Italy and Spain are always kissing each other for no reason" less offensive. Same with Iran.
Abolish hand shakes! I'm curious how people feel about this aged, bullshit custom with absolutely zero value.
Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
You're right that you are able to get some amount of information, but I am not sure that justifies the practice. Overly firm handshakes usually from insecure men trying to establish dominance, loose handshakes someone who is anxious, normal handshake from someone who just wants to move on and has practiced what they are supposed to do to be normal but not aggressive.
I'm Dutch, living in Spain. Hugs and kisses are definitely a contribution to the more open social culture. Maybe it's because of the culture that touching is more acceptable or maybe it's the other way round. But in general, I don't really see why Covid requires anybody to reexamine this aspect of our culture. There isn't anything wrong with touching in general. Just so happens to be problematic right now.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
Are you serious?
I definitely "yikes" 'd when I read that, but I assume he means that when you meet some bravado dumbass who tries to pull your arm off, you know you need to be delicate with them and make sure not to make them feel threatened.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
Are you serious?
I would guess he's as serious as the guy proposing handshakes be abandoned
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
Are you serious?
I would guess he's as serious as the guy proposing handshakes be abandoned
Is it that you have a reason for keeping hand shakes other than "but culture and precedent" or am I missing something? Covid is actively showing us there are downsides. What are the benefits other than "it would be weird not to"?
It’s not about masculinity if that’s what you guys are implying.
You can gather a lot of information from someone who has a firm handshake vs someone with a flimsy one. Often I’ll interpret it as confidence and positivity.
I’m speaking in the context of the value of a handshake. Not the pros and cons during a pandemic.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
Are you serious?
I would guess he's as serious as the guy proposing handshakes be abandoned
Is it that you have a reason for keeping hand shakes other than "but culture and precedent" or am I missing something? Covid is actively showing us there are downsides. What are the benefits other than "it would be weird not to"?
It has downsides in the middle of a pandemic. But it has obvious importance. There's plenty of research into the psychological importance of touching one another.
March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.
This one from Boris is almost unbelieveable, especially as he almost certainly got infected and hospitalized because of it.
In general, I like the logic that the cleanest society is not necessarily the healthiest, as our overtuned immune system goes ham with allergies and other auto-immune illnesses, many of which are deadly. Someone even speculated in a "dirt" pill to keep it in check.
In this case, I am fine with the toned-down greeting rituals, although I notice some awkwardness from some of the Spanish people I meet, where it is obvious their whole bodies want to french-kiss or shake hands to confirm a social relation. A nice smile and some kind words can do the job.
On May 14 2020 05:05 Emnjay808 wrote: It’s not about masculinity if that’s what you guys are implying.
You can gather a lot of information from someone who has a firm handshake vs someone with a flimsy one. Often I’ll interpret it as confidence and positivity.
I’m speaking in the context of the value of a handshake. Not the pros and cons during a pandemic.
I mean isn't that tangentially related to masculinity at least - a firm vs. flimsy handshake? Men are "supposed" to have a firm handshake to convey this confidence and positivity i.e. being a typical man, etc etc.
I don't find too much intrinsic value in a handshake over any other particular form of greeting. I'm sure you could infer things from the way someone bows, for example, as well.
A bow would be a better example. I don’t know what a proper bow would look like in Asian customs, but if I was someone of competence then I know I would be in better company if someone exchanged a bow with me the “proper” way than an improper way.
On May 14 2020 03:38 Seeker wrote: Don’t abolish handshakes. They’re too damn important to society. Instead, we need to evolve to the point where at least one party brings out a travel-sized hand sanitizer and allows all involved parties to use it before the handshake(s) can take place. There, problem solved.
I suppose the question I am asking is: SHOULD handshakes be important to society? Or should archaic bullshit be consciously removed from our day-to-day routines as we learn more about the world we live in? Some people in Italy, Spain and Iran are probably asking themselves if it makes sense to kiss each other constantly now that we see so clearly what a difference that can make with infection. I'm not asking if the current convention is to handshake. I am asking if that is a worthwhile custom that we should try to hold on to. I say toss it in the trash.
For me, personally, I like physical forms of contact when I meet and get to know a new person. And a handshake is often indicative of what kind of person you’re dealing with, so I think it definitely has a role in society that cannot just be ignored.
Are you serious?
I would guess he's as serious as the guy proposing handshakes be abandoned
Is it that you have a reason for keeping hand shakes other than "but culture and precedent" or am I missing something? Covid is actively showing us there are downsides. What are the benefits other than "it would be weird not to"?
My reason for keeping hand shakes are that there isn't a compelling reason to changing them outside of epidemics, and that your opinion is therefore arbitrary and ridiculous.
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