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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
Here's an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gifk6u/after_choir_practice_with_one_symptomatic_person/ A single choir practice kills 2 people. Old, yeah, but a single practice and its GG. I keep feeling like there is some Achilles heel that we just don't understand yet. Something like it dies in minutes at less than x humidity or some shit like that. I have no idea. Maybe I am just confused and know nothing. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 13 2020 10:49 Nevuk wrote: Do you have a link to an article about this? It sounds interesting. I'm not sure I'd pick GA and VA to study as both have huge metropolitan areas. I'd imagine it's probably rural vs urban areas in each state? I know Alaska and Wyoming have had very few infections, likely due to there being very low population density. It was an article linked on twitter by a journo, but I forget the outlet and can’t find it. It’s the same data set as this NPR reporting, where you can see Arlington county decreasing social distancing despite no change in Virginia lockdown orders. One state just showed it was increasing travel/clustering despite same state rules in place, and other hadn’t shown as large of an increase despite actual relaxation of rules. I’ll post it if I find it (twitter search, even when narrowing for lists, sucks if you can’t remember the actual states or outlet) | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10660 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 12:49 JimmiC wrote: We already did, Italy and Spain. What happens when you do nothing is not an unknown. And I don't understand why people keep acting like it is. It is not like much time has passed. This doesn't explain why Florida isn't a disaster though. Florida seems kind of ok whereas Spain was like a horror movie. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 14:43 JimmiC wrote: Give it time, I mean so far every place that has not done much has become horrible. If Florida does not it does not mean that not doing anything is the answer since we already have Spain, Italy, New York and the UK. It would mean we would have to look into what else is different. I mean can you imagine if all the places I listed continued to do nothing? Yikes. I agree, but it is peculiar that some places seem significantly less impacted. But you are right that people saying "lets see what happens" aren't explaining why we don't expect another Spain or Italy situation. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
(CNN) — The question has vexed epidemiologists for weeks now: How has Florida kept the coronavirus in check, given that official shutdown orders came so much later there than in other states? One answer, according to data analysis from the Tampa Bay Times, is that many Floridians stopped traveling long before their county or state stepped in. The Times looked at data from Google, Descartes Labs and Unacast, three companies that use location data to determine whether people are socially isolating. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis issued a stay-at-home order that went into effect April 3. By comparison, California's stay-at-home order began March 19, Illinois' started March 21, New York's on March 22 and Ohio's on March 23. Despite Florida's later action, the data showed that people sharply cut their travel well before their counties and the state issued stay-at-home orders. For example, in the five days before Miami-Dade County's March 26 stay-at-home order, more than half the phones tracked by Descartes Labs never traveled more than a mile, according to the Times. That was a drop of more than 80% compared with data collected from mid-February to early March. Source The questions it raises about cell surveillance aside, I could buy that narrative. Not that Florida has particularly good infection data mind you, but it looks like people do take precautions on their own to protect themselves against disease. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
BC, for the first time in 2 months has our single day infections in the single digits. We found 7 new cases today. We're not in the clear yet until Quebec and Ontario get their shit together, but I think we've calmed the first wave. There's a long ass tail in infection recovery rate, but in the last week, we've gone from 639 active cases to 397 active cases as people have recovered, and hospitalizations dropped from 78 to 63. My department head at work has also straight up said, other than the first week after office closures, our KPIs across the board have actually gone up after working from home. Part of it is because there's literally nothing else to do, so the majority of us sit in front of our computers during lunch, but the long term plan is that even if offices are opened again, it'll be entirely optional for people to go in. I'm probably in the 2 days a week at the office camp since I'm not entirely productive at home, but I know a lot of people are excited to get 6-10 extra hours a week to sleep or just do stuff around the house. | ||
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Joni_
Germany355 Posts
On May 13 2020 16:14 Lmui wrote: Pretty psyched at the moment. BC, for the first time in 2 months has our single day infections in the single digits. We found 7 new cases today. We're not in the clear yet until Quebec and Ontario get their shit together, but I think we've calmed the first wave. There's a long ass tail in infection recovery rate, but in the last week, we've gone from 639 active cases to 397 active cases as people have recovered, and hospitalizations dropped from 78 to 63. My department head at work has also straight up said, other than the first week after office closures, our KPIs across the board have actually gone up after working from home. Part of it is because there's literally nothing else to do, so the majority of us sit in front of our computers during lunch, but the long term plan is that even if offices are opened again, it'll be entirely optional for people to go in. I'm probably in the 2 days a week at the office camp since I'm not entirely productive at home, but I know a lot of people are excited to get 6-10 extra hours a day to sleep or just do stuff around the house. How are people getting 6-10 extra hours a day? Just staying at home doing that shit instead of working because work is not keeping them busy 80-100% of the time? Or do they just commute for 6-10 hours each day like wtf? Sure that you didn't mean to write per week? oO | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
On May 13 2020 11:49 Mohdoo wrote: I'm fascinated by the places Covid seems to spread like like a superfluid and places where its a huge nothing burger. Here's an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gifk6u/after_choir_practice_with_one_symptomatic_person/ A single choir practice kills 2 people. Old, yeah, but a single practice and its GG. I keep feeling like there is some Achilles heel that we just don't understand yet. Something like it dies in minutes at less than x humidity or some shit like that. I have no idea. Maybe I am just confused and know nothing. We know some risk factors already. -Hand hygene is absolutely crucial as touching areas where droplets have fallen and then touch food and your face might be the main way this virus spreads. -For air-spread, good ventilating and bigger rooms are better. Outside is much safer than inside in almost any circumstance. -Air conditioning can cause droplets to travel further inside. -Large droplets travel about 1 meter, but they usually say 2 meters to be sure. For the choire, it would be interesting to hear exactly what they did. Choires tend to stay very close together, and if the rehearsed in a small and badly ventilated place and had some shared food in the break, I could easily see everyone getting infected. That person should not have come. Edit: a couple of good videos about this topic: | ||
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rope123
27 Posts
On May 13 2020 14:51 Mohdoo wrote: I agree, but it is peculiar that some places seem significantly less impacted. But you are right that people saying "lets see what happens" aren't explaining why we don't expect another Spain or Italy situation. Actually, there is good historical evidence that during pandemics some places will be less impacted than others and we don't really understand why. Both in terms of infection and mortality rates. For example during the Spanish flu there were cities, population groups even entire countries (think China vs India) that were affected to wildly varying degrees and we can only make very vague assumptions why that might have been the case. It could be different levels of "background immunity", genetic variations, unnoticed immunization during a first wave that makes the second wave less dangerous, simple chance... But in essence what we know from past epidemics is that some places will look noticeably different from other places (even if from measures taken etc. they really should not look different at all). Statistically you cannot rely on "your" place to be the exception though and as long as we do not fully understand what differentiates places we can obviously not use the fact that there will be outliers as a ground for policy decisions. During such a pandemic you will without a doubt hear stories that seem strange (but are true). Its a simple fact that if millions and millions of people get infected anomalies occur. Human psychology tends to overemphasize those outliers, but as a general rule - if you do not want to feel confused - rely on the statistical evidence not individual stories | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
On May 13 2020 17:15 Joni_ wrote: How are people getting 6-10 extra hours a day? Just staying at home doing that shit instead of working because work is not keeping them busy 80-100% of the time? Or do they just commute for 6-10 hours each day like wtf? Sure that you didn't mean to write per week? oO Oops yeah meant per week for sure. I gain about 1.5h a day on commuting and I spend the extra time all on sleep | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 19:12 Slydie wrote: We know some risk factors already. -Hand hygene is absolutely crucial as touching areas where droplets have fallen and then touch food and your face might be the main way this virus spreads. -For air-spread, good ventilating and bigger rooms are better. Outside is much safer than inside in almost any circumstance. -Air conditioning can cause droplets to travel further inside. -Large droplets travel about 1 meter, but they usually say 2 meters to be sure. For the choire, it would be interesting to hear exactly what they did. Choires tend to stay very close together, and if the rehearsed in a small and badly ventilated place and had some shared food in the break, I could easily see everyone getting infected. That person should not have come. Edit: a couple of good videos about this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2azcn7MqOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpt6Bse0j8 This makes sense and also makes people saying "maybe because people in Italy and Spain are always kissing each other for no reason" less offensive. Same with Iran. Abolish hand shakes! I'm curious how people feel about this aged, bullshit custom with absolutely zero value. Poll: Abolish handshakes permanently? No (16) Yes (9) 25 total votes Your vote: Abolish handshakes permanently? | ||
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greensponge
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10660 Posts
Fist bumping would mean that u can’t touch your face with your knuckles. But how often do you touch ur face with ur forearm? (Ah hah!) | ||
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Yurie
11927 Posts
On May 14 2020 02:40 Emnjay808 wrote: I posterior forearm-bump my colleagues and friends. It sounds dumb but when u actually do it it feels pretty casual and not-weird. Fist bumping would mean that u can’t touch your face with your knuckles. But how often do you touch ur face with ur forearm? (Ah hah!) Super sweating and removing it from your forehead before it gets into your eyes? :p | ||
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