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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control. It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you. Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly. This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here. Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus. January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care. January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting. January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting. January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE. February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting. February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting. Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged. February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders. February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them. February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting. February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’ February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts. March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.” March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients. March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information. March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’ March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match. March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events. March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend. March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool. March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people. March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots. March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff. March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’ March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes. March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE. March 23rd UK goes into lockdown. March 26th Boris Johnson is accused of putting ‘Brexit over Breathing’ by not joining EU ventilator scheme. The government then state they had not joined the scheme because they had ‘missed the email’ April 1st The Evening Standard publishes that just 0.17% of NHS staff have been tested for the virus. April 3rd The UK death toll overtakes China. April 5th 17.5 million Antibody tests, ordered by the government and described by Boris Johnson as a ‘game changer’ are found to be a failure. April 7th Boris Johnson is moved to intensive care with Coronavirus. April 16th Flights bring 15,000 people a day into the UK - without virus testing. April 17th Health Secretary Matt Hancock says “I would love to be able to wave a magic wand and have PPE fall from the sky.” The UK has now missed four opportunities to join the EU’s PPE scheme. April 21st The Government fails to reach its target of face masks for the NHS, as it is revealed manufactures offers of help were met with silence. Instead millions of pieces of PPE are being shipped from the UK to Europe. April 23rd - 24th Government announces testing kits for 10 million key workers. Orders run out within minutes as only 5,000 are made available. April 25th UK death toll from Coronavirus overtakes that of The Blitz. April 30th Boris Johnson announces the UK has succeeded in avoiding a tragedy that had engulfed other parts of the world - At this point, The UK has the 3rd highest death toll in the world. May 1st The Government announces it has reached its target of 100,000 tests - They haven’t conducted the tests, but posted the testing kits. May 5th The UK death toll becomes the highest in Europe. May 6th Boris Johnson announces the UK could start to lift lockdown restrictions by next week. This shit is why we shouldn’t pawn national leadership off onto morons to appease people. It does actually matter whether leaders are competent and willing to listen to experts. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On May 13 2020 00:33 JimmiC wrote: More tragic stuff coming out of Russia, a fire killed 5 likely caused from a short circuit. Perhaps all the extra ventilators take too much power from what there systems are used too. And it isn't not the first fire at a hospital. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/five-die-in-nightmare-fire-at-russian-virus-hospital/ar-BB13Yh04?li=AAggFp4 And the UK now has surpassed 40k deaths, most in Europe. Where do you get that 40k figure ? Worldometers is around 32k | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On May 12 2020 03:59 Lmui wrote: Vancouver has been fairly locked down for pretty much 2 months now, and people are sick of it. As soon as BC announced that mid-may, we might lift restrictions, it combo'd with a super nice weekend (25C, sunny) and everyone swarmed beaches and parks. Hopefully we don't get a spike in 2 weeks. If we don't though, that would be good news, since it proves to a reasonable degree that being outdoors can be done safely in BC. It might open the way to outdoor sports in close proximity. Not basketball, or other close contact sports, but maybe tennis, volleyball or similar things could be played. The exact same thing happened here in New York City, and we are ( or were at least ) the center of the outbreak. Just one warm weekend and Central Park was flooded, Even the supposedly far more vulnerable elderly were out en masse. I saw Instagram stories of other parks absolutely packed with barely a mask in sight. Infuriating. Been so stressful living here, would hate to see it spike up again.  | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
Things are gonna get worse, at least around here. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 02:50 farvacola wrote: Line of over 100 people at the newly reopened local mall, all waiting for a new shoe release. Only about 60% wearing masks and basically no distancing at all, the local newspaper reports. Things are gonna get worse, at least around here. Oregon is a complete train wreck. When the sun comes out, Oregonians go into some kinda manic episode. Summer is like a ceremonial ritual over here since it is when the rain is finally gone. There is extremely little willingness to let go of Summer activities for the sake of quarantine. Even people who are normally mostly smart are clearly stupid right now. It is only the die-hards like myself who are strictly adhering to the science who are willing to toss their summer plans in the toilet. Its really sad. So many idiots. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10660 Posts
It was announced like more than a month ago that u can’t go outside without a face covering (Hawaii). Stores will deny u entry etc. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 04:07 Emnjay808 wrote: I thought all of US was required a use of any face mask. From homemade cloth masks to N95s. Pretty crazy how some parts of the US operates. It was announced like more than a month ago that u can’t go outside without a face covering (Hawaii). Stores will deny u entry etc. It's basically rich or educated neighborhoods wear masks and the opposite don't. But beyond that, once the sun is out, probably 80% of people will say it isn't reaonable to cancel summer plans. | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
Personally, I often see them as used tissues people strap on their faces. They are removed and put on as they see fit, hang around necks, are disposed openly in public places, one-time masks are reused and home-made masks with no docuemented effects are worn with pride. It is a good thing it is very unlikely anybody carries the virus where I live, otherwise those things would be corona-bombs! I have a hard time seeing mask users as morally superior. None of the Scandinavian countries recommend mask-use to the general public anywhere as of now. One main reason is that if you have sympthoms or otherwise fear you chould be infected you should rather stay at home. Another one is inconclusive results in studies. Yes, I am aware that many Asian experts are advocating widespread mask use, and that some western goverments might tone down their effectiveness due to the lack of supplies. I will read up it some more it I make a bigger post on this topic. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
“How dare those mask wearers and those who support them claim the moral high ground!”=\=“The local health authority recommends use of masks in all public places and I and others should follow their recommendation.” No, the science behind it isn’t ironclad, but public health rules and policies that turn on shifting probabilities aren’t the stuff of moral gaming. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
From what I've read most western scientists think the effect is pretty small as to preventing spread to others via mask. It prevents a casual cough from sending it 30 ft and instead keeps most of it in. If worn improperly it can lead the individual wearing it to have a higher chance of getting it. Effect is minimal either way, but I think once some scientists read "public has to be educated for this to not be counterproductive" they threw it out the window. We know masks help reduce the r0, we just don't know how much. The CDC guidelines in the US say to wear a mask, but there is no legal requirement. Ohio's governor walked a requirement back after some calls from parents with autistic children who CAN'T wear masks. So the official stance in Ohio is that you should wear one if you can, and a business is permitted to prohibit those without one from entering. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 05:26 Slydie wrote: I might write a long thing about facemask use soon, but it is a controversial topic where and how to use them. Personally, I often see them as used tissues people strap on their faces. They are removed and put on as they see fit, hang around necks, are disposed openly in public places, one-time masks are reused and home-made masks with no docuemented effects are worn with pride. It is a good thing it is very unlikely anybody carries the virus where I live, otherwise those things would be corona-bombs! I have a hard time seeing mask users as morally superior. None of the Scandinavian countries recommend mask-use to the general public anywhere as of now. One main reason is that if you have sympthoms or otherwise fear you chould be infected you should rather stay at home. Another one is inconclusive results in studies. Yes, I am aware that many Asian experts are advocating widespread mask use, and that some western goverments might tone down their effectiveness due to the lack of supplies. I will read up it some more it I make a bigger post on this topic. Rather than speculate, we can read research already done: https://cen.acs.org/content/cen/articles/98/i18/fabrics-make-effective-homemade-masks.html | ||
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pmh
1366 Posts
And because noone wears a mask there is a huge barrier to do so as well. You dont want to be the only person wearing a mask and have everyone looking at you like you are crazy. Beeing the only person wearing a mask probably would not help much anyway. Seeing how masks are worn in other countries (photos on the internet and on tv) then i dont think it helps much but it wont hurt either. Lots of people wear them more like a scarf,very lose, which i cant imagine beeing all that helpfull. Maybe if the whole population would wear a mask then it will help a little bit,but its very impractical in commerce and other activities. It will be obligated to wear a mask from 1 june in public transport though,when the transport system is expected to become more crowded. You can make one yourself,my friend from the uk has a family member who made masks for the whole family,she also send me a pair but i have yet to try them out. I dont think its a supply issue tbh,i guess its more subtle. While some people will feal more safe if everyone does wear a mask it also sends a bit of a negative message which can provoke fear in some other people. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 05:43 pmh wrote: You dont want to be the only person wearing a mask and have everyone looking at you like you are crazy. Beeing the only person wearing a mask probably would not help much anyway. While there are times the unique qualities of my brain are a bad thing, this is a case where it is a good thing. Zero fucks given in this regard. | ||
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Vivax
22089 Posts
Imo a very dangerous move in the current climate. Government needs to de-escalate from time to time. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On May 13 2020 05:49 Vivax wrote: Just saw news about California lockdown being extended by 3 months. Wouldn't be surprised if that's to keep newly unemployed off the streets, because no scientific evidence warrants such a duration. Imo a very dangerous move in the current climate. Government needs to de-escalate from time to time. This is a matter of public policy, informed by science. Science does not determine policy. Science informs policy. In an ideal case, a ethics is used to determine what to do based on data. Elon opens his factory and Twitter says WFH is now a permanent option for every employee. Two different sets of ethics, but likely using the same data. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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