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On May 01 2020 16:24 Uldridge wrote:
Something I've been wondering for a while now.. how specific are those Sars cov-2 tests? Do they exclude other coronaviridae or is there significant overlap so that common cold could be a false posiive party pooper?
I read about a 70 to 80 percent success rate for the most recent antibody tests used somewhere in Europe. Can't find the article unfortunately.
The NYT has a big article about antibody testing. I can't confirm any of what they say but it's a starting point.
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If anyone else is paranoid and trying to condition their bodies to survive on minimal oxygen, running in the cold with a facemask is extremely challenging
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Just wanted to wish everyone all my best in these troubling times, and all my love to you, and your loved ones. Do stay safe <3.
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On May 01 2020 23:48 DSK wrote:
Just wanted to wish everyone all my best in these troubling times, and all my love to you, and your loved ones. Do stay safe <3.
Right back at you! 
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Spain is slowly opening up. Children up to 14 have been allowed an hour walk a day for a week, and tomorrow outside sports will be allowed by a schedule.
The numbers are all plummeting, but there is a lot of fear and anxiety around.
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This is starting to get really crazy.
This whole thing is really putting a big old test on American federalism. Despite how much I agree with Governor Newsom's order to close down the beaches in OC, the fact that the city council is overriding it is also something I agree with, I think local governments should have the ability to have the final say.
Either way, this is turning into a big mess and these protests are clearly not practicing safe social distancing.
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On May 02 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:https://twitter.com/NBCLA/status/1256318950826078208This is starting to get really crazy. This whole thing is really putting a big old test on American federalism. Despite how much I agree with Governor Newsom's order to close down the beaches in OC, the fact that the city council is overriding it is also something I agree with, I think local governments should have the ability to have the final say. Either way, this is turning into a big mess and these protests are clearly not practicing safe social distancing.
Can you elaborate on why you think a local city government should have the final say?
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On May 02 2020 05:45 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:https://twitter.com/NBCLA/status/1256318950826078208This is starting to get really crazy. This whole thing is really putting a big old test on American federalism. Despite how much I agree with Governor Newsom's order to close down the beaches in OC, the fact that the city council is overriding it is also something I agree with, I think local governments should have the ability to have the final say. Either way, this is turning into a big mess and these protests are clearly not practicing safe social distancing. Can you elaborate on why you think a local city government should have the final say?
In Huntington Beach's case it's weird because there's no real defining line between where Huntington Beach ends and Los Angeles begins. That's how the whole city is. It's all a giant web of smaller urban areas. So it's complicated.
That would be much different for let's say Palmdale/Lancaster or Redlands or Barstow. Those have much more definitive boundaries. I don't think that Redlands or Barstow needs to have the same restrictions as somewhere in the more metropolitan part of LA.
But since that's a borderline impossible distinction to make legally, that's why I make the choice that if someone is going to have final say over what gets enforced it should be the local governments.
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One of the exacerbating events is that when police patrolled beaches last weekend (~40,000), people were practicing social distancing. Offenders were rare. (One source. Confirmed with helicopter air patrols. So the big problem is fearfully blaming the cooperators, which in turn pisses them off against their government. And this is after initial studies showing this is mainly a closed-air-spread profile, like restaurants buses subway schools.
I’m not too down on the political fear inspiring this, because nobody wants to be blamed if this enters an exponential growth phase. I’m also not gonna protest, because those are close quarters events that give the wrong publicity about the ability to social distance responsibly.
Orange County board of supervisors had previously voted on standards to be met while reopening businesses. That was giving people hope. Source. The county had shut down all gatherings of any size, and nonessential business, ahead of when the governor had made statewide policy of basically the same effect.
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Yea LA started enforcing Lockdown I think two days before Gavin Newsom made the order at the state level.
If local governments can enforce lockdown before the state does, it doesn't really make a lot of sense that they couldn't also lift it ahead of the state.
That just seems like consistency to me.
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On May 02 2020 05:49 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 05:45 Mohdoo wrote:On May 02 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:https://twitter.com/NBCLA/status/1256318950826078208This is starting to get really crazy. This whole thing is really putting a big old test on American federalism. Despite how much I agree with Governor Newsom's order to close down the beaches in OC, the fact that the city council is overriding it is also something I agree with, I think local governments should have the ability to have the final say. Either way, this is turning into a big mess and these protests are clearly not practicing safe social distancing. Can you elaborate on why you think a local city government should have the final say? In Huntington Beach's case it's weird because there's no real definining line between where Huntington Beach ends and Los Angeles begins. That's how the whole city is. It's all a giant web of smaller urban areas. So it's complicated. That would be much different for let's say Palmdale/Lancaster or Redlands or Barstow. Those have much more definitive boundaries. I don't think that Redlands or Barstow needs to have the same restrictions as somewhere in the more metropolitan part of LA. But since that's a borderline impossible distinction to make legally, that's why I make the choice that if someone is going to have final say over what gets enforced it should be the local governments.
You've described why you see how he situation is complicated, but I feel like you haven't specified why the local government is more fit to make the decision.
edit: I just read your follow up post. I think whichever one is "safer" should be what happens in this situation. There is too much uncertainty around basically everything. The idea that we are only now starting to understand the hormone interactions contextualizes how new this all is and how little we know.
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On May 02 2020 06:00 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 05:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 02 2020 05:45 Mohdoo wrote:On May 02 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:https://twitter.com/NBCLA/status/1256318950826078208This is starting to get really crazy. This whole thing is really putting a big old test on American federalism. Despite how much I agree with Governor Newsom's order to close down the beaches in OC, the fact that the city council is overriding it is also something I agree with, I think local governments should have the ability to have the final say. Either way, this is turning into a big mess and these protests are clearly not practicing safe social distancing. Can you elaborate on why you think a local city government should have the final say? In Huntington Beach's case it's weird because there's no real definining line between where Huntington Beach ends and Los Angeles begins. That's how the whole city is. It's all a giant web of smaller urban areas. So it's complicated. That would be much different for let's say Palmdale/Lancaster or Redlands or Barstow. Those have much more definitive boundaries. I don't think that Redlands or Barstow needs to have the same restrictions as somewhere in the more metropolitan part of LA. But since that's a borderline impossible distinction to make legally, that's why I make the choice that if someone is going to have final say over what gets enforced it should be the local governments. You've described why you see how he situation is complicated, but I feel like you haven't specified why the local government is more fit to make the decision.
Well for starters the city is who the police are employed by, they're the ones doing the actual enforcement. And even then it's complicated because there's also county sherrifs in addition to city police.
Second, California is a very big, very diverse state. If you go back a few pages and you see the map of the counties that are heavily impacted by the virus it's mostly just the big urban areas. There are areas that are not as impacted and I don't think that one set of rules should apply to them also.
And then there's what is going on in other states. The governor of Georgia wants to lift quarantine restrictions while the mayor of Atlanta wants to keep them. Who has the say there? Does the governor have the ability to force Atlanta open when its mayor wants to keep it closed?
It is a complicated issue, but if I had to pick between the state and the local government having the final say, I'll pick the local.
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The head of a dutch ic unit in a hospital has an interesting hypothesis that will be further tested in his reasearch group in the coming months.
The hypothesis is that the hormone leptin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptin) might play a role in severe cases of corona. Increased levels of leptin would increase the risk of a severe case of corona. People with overweight generally have increased levels of this hormone.
The good thing is that it is potentially treatable. Resveratrol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptin) which is a supplement and also called a "superfood" would have positive effects on leptin levels as well as several other positive effects that could lessen the impact of a corona infection. Resveratrol is commonly available in supplement stores and relativly cheap. Taking the generally recommanded amount (250mg-500mg) a day would cost less then 1 dollar/euro a day.
Of everything i have seen thus far that is supposed to help protect against the virus (which is a lot) this is the first thing that gives me hope and i have a very good feeling about it. I will be buying this supplement first thing tomorrow.
After reading more about this supplement it seems be good for your health in general as well and there are many people who have been using it for years with virtually no negative side effects. I recommand everyone here to read more about this supplement.
Its not a cure or a vaccine,but it is something that could have a positive effect incase you do get infected.
Here is an english link about the supplement with more references at the bottom of the article.
https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Resveratrol.aspx
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On May 02 2020 05:49 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 05:45 Mohdoo wrote:On May 02 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:https://twitter.com/NBCLA/status/1256318950826078208This is starting to get really crazy. This whole thing is really putting a big old test on American federalism. Despite how much I agree with Governor Newsom's order to close down the beaches in OC, the fact that the city council is overriding it is also something I agree with, I think local governments should have the ability to have the final say. Either way, this is turning into a big mess and these protests are clearly not practicing safe social distancing. Can you elaborate on why you think a local city government should have the final say? In Huntington Beach's case it's weird because there's no real defining line between where Huntington Beach ends and Los Angeles begins. That's how the whole city is. It's all a giant web of smaller urban areas. So it's complicated. That would be much different for let's say Palmdale/Lancaster or Redlands or Barstow. Those have much more definitive boundaries. I don't think that Redlands or Barstow needs to have the same restrictions as somewhere in the more metropolitan part of LA. But since that's a borderline impossible distinction to make legally, that's why I make the choice that if someone is going to have final say over what gets enforced it should be the local governments.
I mean when we're talking the actual beach, there's a definite line where Huntington Beach is separated from LA County (Long Beach, county of los angeles). It's the San Gabriel river. Then, if you want, you have divisions between Huntington state beach and Huntington city beach (the pier divides those) and dog beach and bolsa chica and sunset beach ... all beaches in Huntington Beach.
Now if we get away from the beach side of things and talk metro, then huntington beach blends into the rest of orange county, and orange county blends into LA county. And it's the LA metro area properly. When we talk beaches in HB, there's a river emptying into the pacific that ends beaches in the city. Just a local FYI.
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The US has been at the ~30k mark of new daily infections for a whole month now. That kind of "hovering near peak" behavior is pretty unique compared to most of the other countries that have racked up large numbers of infections; most of those peak for about a week then slowly descend into a recovery phase.
It's not really hard to see why, though. The disease hit hard and fast in New York first, and as it ran its course there we're seeing a large number of other states rack up large number of cases. The slowdown in New York and the ramp-up in the other states more or less cancel each other out, leaving the US with a pretty steady growth number. I suppose you'd probably see something similar if you were to collate the numbers in "Europe" and see how that infection rate looks.
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On May 02 2020 13:40 LegalLord wrote:
The US has been at the ~30k mark of new daily infections for a whole month now. That kind of "hovering near peak" behavior is pretty unique compared to most of the other countries that have racked up large numbers of infections; most of those peak for about a week then slowly descend into a recovery phase.
It's not really hard to see why, though. The disease hit hard and fast in New York first, and as it ran its course there we're seeing a large number of other states rack up large number of cases. The slowdown in New York and the ramp-up in the other states more or less cancel each other out, leaving the US with a pretty steady growth number. I suppose you'd probably see something similar if you were to collate the numbers in "Europe" and see how that infection rate looks.
I doubt it. The peak would definitely be more spread out, because the peaks for Italy, Spain and France were each about a week apart. But other than Sweden, European countries reacted mostly at the same time when it had spread out of Italy. Most of Europe has been locked down since early/mid March regardless of how hard Covid hit the country. But the data is available, so hit the sum button at the bottom of the Excel columns and start plotting 
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Sounds pretty bad and hard to only be allowed an hour for a week. Denmark opened up for kindergartens and schools up to 5th grade a couple of weeks ago.
Pretty insane people are rallying up and protesting.
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On May 02 2020 13:40 LegalLord wrote:
The US has been at the ~30k mark of new daily infections for a whole month now. That kind of "hovering near peak" behavior is pretty unique compared to most of the other countries that have racked up large numbers of infections; most of those peak for about a week then slowly descend into a recovery phase.
It's not really hard to see why, though. The disease hit hard and fast in New York first, and as it ran its course there we're seeing a large number of other states rack up large number of cases. The slowdown in New York and the ramp-up in the other states more or less cancel each other out, leaving the US with a pretty steady growth number. I suppose you'd probably see something similar if you were to collate the numbers in "Europe" and see how that infection rate looks. Any chance that its stable at that number because the real limit is the amount of tests and that is keeping stable?
It could look unnatural because your not seeing the natural curve. I assume the US doesn't publish numbers on ICU capacity? that would show a much clearer picture because regardless of your ability to test.
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On May 02 2020 07:25 pmh wrote:The head of a dutch ic unit in a hospital has an interesting hypothesis that will be further tested in his reasearch group in the coming months. The hypothesis is that the hormone leptin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptin) might play a role in severe cases of corona. Increased levels of leptin would increase the risk of a severe case of corona. People with overweight generally have increased levels of this hormone. The good thing is that it is potentially treatable. Resveratrol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptin) which is a supplement and also called a "superfood" would have positive effects on leptin levels as well as several other positive effects that could lessen the impact of a corona infection. Resveratrol is commonly available in supplement stores and relativly cheap. Taking the generally recommanded amount (250mg-500mg) a day would cost less then 1 dollar/euro a day. Of everything i have seen thus far that is supposed to help protect against the virus (which is a lot) this is the first thing that gives me hope and i have a very good feeling about it. I will be buying this supplement first thing tomorrow. After reading more about this supplement it seems be good for your health in general as well and there are many people who have been using it for years with virtually no negative side effects. I recommand everyone here to read more about this supplement. Its not a cure or a vaccine,but it is something that could have a positive effect incase you do get infected. Here is an english link about the supplement with more references at the bottom of the article. https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Resveratrol.aspx
I wish people would stop doing this. It feels as if every 2-3 days, some person comes up with some vague idea about something that the virus does, and something that might help. All of that is usually just a completely untested brainfart.
Do good science instead. If you have an idea, research, then publish. Don't bring your uncooked ideas to the public. All that does is make money for some random company which produces whatever you propagate, and give you a few hours in the media spotlight.
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