Coronavirus and You - Page 112

On April 08 2020 07:38 Acrofales wrote:

That's like complaining that "flu" is not specific enough. It definitely isn't if you're writing a scientific paper about it, or a report on the specifics of this year's seasonal varieties. But in daily parlance it works perfectly well. And yes, in today's context, we could just call it the virus, but we decided that the Coronavirus added that little but extra specificity that makes it clear enough that we aren't talking about HIV or Ebola, but it's also still clear we aren't talking about just any old Coronavirus, nor even the ones that causes SARS or MERS, but in fact the one that causes COVID-19. Ando I suspect that will be clear enough nomenclature for a while into the future.

On April 08 2020 08:17 Emnjay808 wrote:
What was Sweden’s lockdown protocol? Last I heard everyone was pretty lax there and it seems they don’t have an alarming amount of cases.

I’m just going off mostly what I read here the past few weeks.

On April 08 2020 09:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:


They went for a softer lockdown than other european countries, in particular the other nordic countries, and have 4-10 times the death per capita as norway finland denmark, countries it is natural to compare sweden with.

Now, they have some doctor scientists who claimed that this increased exposure during wave 1 is going to give them increased protection from further waves (as well as not harming the economy equally hard, but that hasn't been cited as the primary reason from what I've seen). For all I know there might be some truth to it - however, it's becoming increasingly hard to defend politically because of the development : On march 18th, Norway had 6 deaths and 1500 confirmed cases, Sweden 10 deaths and 1300 confirmed cases, today Norway has 89 deaths and 6000 confirmed cases while Sweden has 591 deaths and 7600 confirmed cases. The previous week has seen Norway increase her death count by between 6 and 13 per day, while Sweden has been above 50 most days, and 113 yesterday - this is a very visible consequence of the differing political choices taken by the two countries.

On April 08 2020 12:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:
closed schools and non-essential business and told people to practice social distancing, grocery stores have antibac to wash your hands.. we have a very high testing rate per capita, but when I myself suspected that I had it, I asked a doctor friend what to do and he said stay home, in a different room from wife, for 1 week until after symptoms go away, but without going to the doctor myself unless my condition worsened.

So like, in terms of policy we didn't do much more than other countries (I have yet to see a single person wearing a mask, for one), but I suspect Norwegians were more willing to practice social distancing than people most other places are. There are exceptions of course but overall the city (trondheim, third largest in norway) has been feeling pretty dead for almost a month now. We also closed schools on march 12th, which was slightly earlier than most countries - and I saw that once this happened, everybody started taking it real seriously, that was like the 'oh, it's for real'-message which really influenced people's behavior.

Was an update from the national health organization claiming that we had managed to reduce the reproductive rate to 0.7. Schools might open again in the end of april, at least for the youngest (6-9 year olds) kids.

On April 08 2020 09:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:


They went for a softer lockdown than other european countries, in particular the other nordic countries, and have 4-10 times the death per capita as norway finland denmark, countries it is natural to compare sweden with.

On April 08 2020 16:16 Elroi wrote:

That's not really accurate. Sweden has 59 deaths per million inhabitants while Denmark has 39. And it is important to note here that we don't know where either country will end up. Denmark is yet to start opening up the country and according to Folkhälsomyndigheten the number of deaths per day here have already been declining the last days. The rising numbers are because of a lag in the statistics. (The source for this is the daily press conference yesterday.) Admittedly, if this is a real trend or only temporary is yet to be seen.

Finland and Norway are also very different from Sweden in some key aspects. Finland's crisis preparation turned out to be vastly superior to Sweden's (the source is in Swedish) so they could afford to close their border's and still have critical medical supplies. We couldn't possibly shut the country down in the same way. Norway is the richest country in the world and can probably afford to take measure's other countries can't.

When Trump starts talking about Sweden now I think it is because he wants to spin this situation in a new way for himself. He knows he will be criticized for being unprepared and for creating an anti-science environment around him - if he can paint a picture of Sweden as being more relaxed and careless in this situation he will by comparison appear as less incompetent. But it should be noted that Sweden's situation is this manageable because of an efficient disease tracking early on and because of sensible measures being taken in time. The US looks like it's heading for disaster by comparison.

On April 08 2020 09:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:


They went for a softer lockdown than other european countries, in particular the other nordic countries, and have 4-10 times the death per capita as norway finland denmark, countries it is natural to compare sweden with.

Now, they have some doctor scientists who claimed that this increased exposure during wave 1 is going to give them increased protection from further waves (as well as not harming the economy equally hard, but that hasn't been cited as the primary reason from what I've seen). For all I know there might be some truth to it - however, it's becoming increasingly hard to defend politically because of the development : On march 18th, Norway had 6 deaths and 1500 confirmed cases, Sweden 10 deaths and 1300 confirmed cases, today Norway has 89 deaths and 6000 confirmed cases while Sweden has 591 deaths and 7600 confirmed cases. The previous week has seen Norway increase her death count by between 6 and 13 per day, while Sweden has been above 50 most days, and 113 yesterday - this is a very visible consequence of the differing political choices taken by the two countries.

On March 27 2020 19:00 Yurie wrote:


Fever broke after 1 day and never climbed more than 1-1.5C above normal.

We are not allowed to work and get paid 92.5% salary for the next two weeks, following that 2-day week. These deals become a bit strange when you could do your job from home and have been for 2 weeks. The government forcing the company to stop us from working to get the bail out becomes a bit odd then. Having the requirement of working from home or not working at all seems like it would be a better way to spend the money. Though I guess all the companies making a profit would go for it then as well.

On April 08 2020 16:37 Yurie wrote:


Still got a light cough 2 weeks later. Can't really exercise and have to sleep with a pillow to breathe properly, normally do without. So it keeps being there a long while later, assume I am still contagious but require buying of food so still have to go out for that.

As far as I know there is no available testing here so can't be sure if it was the flu or this.

On April 08 2020 16:54 Acrofales wrote:


Do you have food delivery in your town? When I go to the supermarket here (I live 50 meters away), there are usually about 10 real clients. There are also about 30 employees running around with lists from their online shopping platform. The supermarket always had their web store, but use was pretty low. It might be worth checking out if any of the stores near you have that.

If not, then deliveroo, and presumably other food delivery services sometimes offer shopping services in some locations too.

On April 08 2020 16:16 Elroi wrote:

That's not really accurate. Sweden has 59 deaths per million inhabitants while Denmark has 39. And it is important to note here that we don't know where either country will end up. Denmark is yet to start opening up the country and according to Folkhälsomyndigheten the number of deaths per day here have already been declining the last days. The rising numbers are because of a lag in the statistics. (The source for this is the daily press conference yesterday.) Admittedly, if this is a real trend or only temporary is yet to be seen.

Finland and Norway are also very different from Sweden in some key aspects. Finland's crisis preparation turned out to be vastly superior to Sweden's (the source is in Swedish) so they could afford to close their border's and still have critical medical supplies. We couldn't possibly shut the country down in the same way. Norway is the richest country in the world and can probably afford to take measure's other countries can't.

When Trump starts talking about Sweden now I think it is because he wants to spin this situation in a new way for himself. He knows he will be criticized for being unprepared and for creating an anti-science environment around him - if he can paint a picture of Sweden as being more relaxed and careless in this situation he will by comparison appear as less incompetent. But it should be noted that Sweden's situation is this manageable because of an efficient disease tracking early on and because of sensible measures being taken in time. The US looks like it's heading for disaster by comparison.