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oolong
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Manit0u
Poland17183 Posts
On August 12 2019 10:53 oolong wrote: "Assume". Sums up this shithole of a thread perfectly Since companies won't disclose the actual data we can only assume things. I don't see what's wrong with that. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On August 12 2019 08:34 Manit0u wrote: I think it's rather safe to assume that HotS, D3 and SC2 are dead games now. Activision will probably end support for Anthem soon too. In general ATVI franchises are dying and they'll need to pull off something spectacular to get back on track. I wonder what will Blizzcon bring... you know activision doesnt own anthem right for a thread full of people having very strong opinions on The Games Industry TM, you'd think people would know basic facts like who owns what, but i guess that's too much to ask for | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
On August 12 2019 08:34 Manit0u wrote: In general ATVI franchises are dying and they'll need to pull off something spectacular to get back on track. generally speaking , regarding all of ATVI , i think you are dead bang on correct with this comment. On August 12 2019 08:34 Manit0u wrote: I wonder what will Blizzcon bring... i'm hoping we get something spectacular On August 12 2019 08:34 Manit0u wrote: I think it's rather safe to assume that HotS, D3 and SC2 are dead games now. Activision will probably end support for Anthem soon too. . firstly, i don't like to use terms like "dead" and "dying". Too much emotional connotation to them. I prefer more accurate terminology. OW only has about 20% more activity around it than Diablo. Diablo has lots of activity around it. There are many very active communities still around the game. Here is just 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo3/ That doesn't look like a "dead" game to me. Again though, I'd prefer a more precise term. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/EU0lKVk.jpg) On August 12 2019 08:34 Manit0u wrote: Activision will probably end support for Anthem soon too. Activision does not publish Anthem. That is an EA published game. On August 12 2019 07:38 Manit0u wrote: So, if everything increased how does it remain the same? Although it's all pretty vague "Overwatch MAUs were relatively stable with engagement increasing" and "subscribers in WoW increased". From those 2 I think that "relatively stable" is the one hiding the drop. ATVI has freely admitted to sharp declines in OW's user base in past investor calls. I'm pretty sure its posted someplace in the thread. I'll dig it up if you think this is false. OW just got that World Builder thing and engagement #s are up. I don't think they are lying about that. If engagement #s are up and BLizzard is still at 32 million MAUs its hard to imagine OW MAUs are simultaneously in sharp decline I've never seen ATVI directly lie in an investor report. THey just use tricky terminology and stop providing hard #s when things go bad. So I do not think ATVI is lying about OW engagement #s being up. I think the independent youtuber you quoted in your post didn't do enough careful thorough research. Hell, IGN butchers stuff too as is noted in the Borderlands thread. So poor research isn't just confined to indy youtubers. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7106 Posts
On August 12 2019 08:34 Manit0u wrote: I think it's rather safe to assume that HotS, D3 and SC2 are dead games now. Activision will probably end support for Anthem soon too. In general ATVI franchises are dying and they'll need to pull off something spectacular to get back on track. I wonder what will Blizzcon bring... BlizzCon will likely bring Diablo, or maybe a new franchise, but realistically Overwatch single player and Diablo 4 are what they’re working in that isn’t a new franchise or a new game a la maybe an FPS StarCraft game which we all know is simply impossible. Oh, and WoW is likely going to get something, maybe for the next expac or maybe they’ll announce they’ll be doing additional WoW classic type stuff but with expacs like WotLK and BC, albeit I feel Classic still hasn’t been proven enough to warrant even MORE Classic type stuff. I mean, I can’t imagine that they’re boneheaded enough to show up with any more mobile shit in the spotlight for their major titles, and they’ve been working on Diablo 4 for a while now so they should have something to show. I hope they don’t start churning out new IPs though, Overwatch was a bit of a miracle given it’s development. | ||
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Yurie
11679 Posts
On August 12 2019 12:43 Zambrah wrote: BlizzCon will likely bring Diablo, or maybe a new franchise, but realistically Overwatch single player and Diablo 4 are what they’re working in that isn’t a new franchise or a new game a la maybe an FPS StarCraft game which we all know is simply impossible. Oh, and WoW is likely going to get something, maybe for the next expac or maybe they’ll announce they’ll be doing additional WoW classic type stuff but with expacs like WotLK and BC, albeit I feel Classic still hasn’t been proven enough to warrant even MORE Classic type stuff. I mean, I can’t imagine that they’re boneheaded enough to show up with any more mobile shit in the spotlight for their major titles, and they’ve been working on Diablo 4 for a while now so they should have something to show. I hope they don’t start churning out new IPs though, Overwatch was a bit of a miracle given it’s development. If they decide to switch style a bit then churning out IPs could be good for them. The few that stick could become new series for them. Would of course require them to do slightly more indie style releases instead of AAA titles and to make expectations of fans a bit lower for these titles to match them. Calling them learning titles or fleshing out ideas. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On August 12 2019 08:34 Manit0u wrote: I think it's rather safe to assume that HotS, D3 and SC2 are dead games now. Activision will probably end support for Anthem soon too. In general ATVI franchises are dying and they'll need to pull off something spectacular to get back on track. I wonder what will Blizzcon bring... I wouldn't say they're dead, they have quite nice userbases. Not the biggest, but stable enough IMO. (I am still shocked how well HotS has done considered it was a fun map for SC2(WC3) and while LoL/DotA were demolishing this segment) Anyway, my guess is that they will announce the heroes Blizzard game a la Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes. Probably the only mobile game I wouldn't hate them. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17183 Posts
On August 12 2019 11:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Activision does not publish Anthem. That is an EA published game. Yeah, was my bad. But nowadays ATVI and EA are almost indistinguishable. My general point was that current AAA titles are rather bland and short-lived and big companies struggle to bring in any new IPs to the table. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
IMO, The most common pattern is that a small company comes up with a really amazing IP and a great series of games based on the new IP. The small company grows to medium size and makes giant amounts of cash. A giant mega corporation like EA or ATVI purchases the IP and EA/ATVI purchases the quickly growing game development company. The giant mega corporation makes the original game/IP developer a subsidiary. The game-franchise//IP developer no longer has full autonomy and they now answer to EA/ATVI for everything. The original owners are a little older and now have lots of money. The original owners are in a new stage of their life and they are unwilling to work 60+ hours per week all year long. The IP/Game Franchise slowly gets worse. I think this pattern first occurred with Atari//NOlan-Bushnell in the 1970s getting purchased by Warner Communications. Then , Warner Communications slowly drove Atari into the ground as Nolan Bushnell slowly pulled away from Atari. This pattern has repeated itself a lot in the past 40 years. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7106 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17183 Posts
On August 12 2019 19:49 Zambrah wrote: I have mixed feelings on new Blizzard IP after Titan, since it was so bottlenecked at the major approval stages of development and it says to me Blizzard may not be particularly good at managing new IPs. That being said, the end product Overwatch was insanely good, and generally the problem with Titan had almost nothing to do with the creative teams so if they have the same caliber team as they did with Titan/OW it'd be really hard for what they make to turn out poorly, even if it gets mismanaged again. There is no doubt that Blizzard has some real talent in their ranks. Their games are of outstanding quality. What they really need is to hire some really good writers and get back to basics a bit instead of going for cash grabs. Just release a fun game with some actual depth and soul for a change. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7106 Posts
On August 12 2019 20:08 Manit0u wrote: There is no doubt that Blizzard has some real talent in their ranks. Their games are of outstanding quality. What they really need is to hire some really good writers and get back to basics a bit instead of going for cash grabs. Just release a fun game with some actual depth and soul for a change. That's what concerns me about Activision Blizzard, how long can Blizzards creative talent carry it through forced adaptation to dumb trends, should it try to do so, and frankly I'm afraid it may try to do so. Writing could also definitely be approved, but their gameplay and art is usually so on point I can get over the C- level writing (or sometimes worse *cough* WoW *cough*) Just letting their creative team pursue good ideas regardless of whatever is happening elsewhere in games would be my ideal world. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On August 12 2019 20:08 Manit0u wrote: There is no doubt that Blizzard has some real talent in their ranks. Their games are of outstanding quality. What they really need is to hire some really good writers and get back to basics a bit instead of going for cash grabs. Just release a fun game with some actual depth and soul for a change. You mean like the time EA hired Amy Hennig, the leading start of the Uncharted series and then kicked her out because she was making a fun game instead of cash grab? I know, EA isn't Activision-Blizzard(read it in Jim Sterling "AAA games" voice), but... uh... yeah, I can see similar shit happening at Blizzard either. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
On August 12 2019 20:08 Manit0u wrote: There is no doubt that Blizzard has some real talent in their ranks. Their games are of outstanding quality. What they really need is to hire some really good writers and get back to basics a bit instead of going for cash grabs. Just release a fun game with some actual depth and soul for a change. That might come from Rob Pardo's new studio "Bonfire". It is highly unlikely to come from a megacorporation littered with risk averse middle managers. I'd say Rob Pardo is one of the best game designers in the world. I have high hopes for Pardo's new venture Bonfire Studios. | ||
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oolong
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Manit0u
Poland17183 Posts
On August 13 2019 00:40 oolong wrote: What is wrong with Activision? What Company brings new games to the table that havent been ported mods? Capcom? (Monster Hunter World) Neocore Games? (Inquisitor: Martyr) Insomniac Games? (Spider-Man) Quantic Dream? (Detroit: Become Human) CD Projekt? (Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales) 11 bit studios? (Frostpunk) Those are just some of the 2018 games I've played and I've enjoyed most of them (and each one of them is fairly unique). The last game published by ATVI I enjoyed was D3 (2012) and the last game published by EA that I enjoyed was SWTOR (2011) so, basically ATVI/EA haven't published anything that would interest me in almost 8 years now and they're still considered biggest AAA powerhouses for some reason. I really don't get it, there are plenty of studios that are releasing AAA-level games that are innovative and intriguing while the giants stick to releasing another iteration of the same crap every year, sprinkling it with some (usually futile and half-hearted) attempt at launching a new IP. I don't really have my hopes up. Today's trends just don't match-up well to my needs. I'd really love to play some cool single-player games because I'm old and I don't give a flying fuck about multi-player aspects of games any more. | ||
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oolong
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Manit0u
Poland17183 Posts
On August 13 2019 04:16 oolong wrote: Oh thats how you are rolling. Shit you are enjoying (Spiderman, Detroit, Inquisitor: Martyr. What the fuck) is legit. Everything you are not enjoying: Shit games by shit companies. Especially when it comes down to original games like Spiderman I said it from my perspective. Your mileage may vary. But it's pretty undeniable that user reviews of recent AAA titles weren't very favorable so there's some consensus on that front. Let's just take a look at metacritic scores for some recent big releases (critics/users): Wolfenstein: Youngblood - 71/2.1 Anthem - 59/4.1 Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 - 83/4.0 Battlefield 5 - 73/2.2 Fifa 19 - 83/1.7 Madden NFL 20 - 75/2.0 This gives an average of 74/100 critic score and 2.68/10 user score for those games. I really have no idea how games with user score below 3/10 are the prime money makers for the companies... Now let's check my shitty list: Spider-Man - 87/8.6 Monster Hunter World - 88/6.3 Inquisitor - 67/6.3 Detroit - 78/8.7 Thronebreaker - 79/7.2 Frostpunk - 84/8.5 This gives them an average of 80.5/100 critic score and 7.6/10 user score. I guess I'm not alone in my game judgement... Hell, none of the games published by EA/ATVI even got to top 20 and if they were judged by the user scores alone I don't think they'd even get to top 100... | ||
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oolong
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21334 Posts
On August 13 2019 04:44 Manit0u wrote: The games with user scores below 3/10 are prime money makers for companies because the people buying them every year are not the ones posting about it on Metacritic.I said it from my perspective. Your mileage may vary. But it's pretty undeniable that user reviews of recent AAA titles weren't very favorable so there's some consensus on that front. Let's just take a look at metacritic scores for some recent big releases (critics/users): Wolfenstein: Youngblood - 71/2.1 Anthem - 59/4.1 Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 - 83/4.0 Battlefield 5 - 73/2.2 Fifa 19 - 83/1.7 Madden NFL 20 - 75/2.0 This gives an average of 74/100 critic score and 2.68/10 user score for those games. I really have no idea how games with user score below 3/10 are the prime money makers for the companies... Now let's check my shitty list: Spider-Man - 87/8.6 Monster Hunter World - 88/6.3 Inquisitor - 67/6.3 Detroit - 78/8.7 Thronebreaker - 79/7.2 Frostpunk - 84/8.5 This gives them an average of 80.5/100 critic score and 7.6/10 user score. I guess I'm not alone in my game judgement... Hell, none of the games published by EA/ATVI even got to top 20 and if they were judged by the user scores alone I don't think they'd even get to top 100... Fifa 19 was the 11th best selling game of 2018 from a quick check on google. Madden NFL 19 (with a user rating of 2.2) was the 4th best selling game of 2018. Both of which got that without even including digital sales. Forbes Source Your not the market for AAA game publishers yearly shovelware. That doesn't mean the market for them isn't huge. These publishers don't care about what you want because your market share isn't big enough to care about. | ||
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