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On November 16 2018 01:52 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2018 01:41 Plansix wrote:On November 16 2018 01:38 brian wrote:
people actually believe he’s going to try to run for an office? on what qualifications? i thought this was a right wing meme. something to release all that hot air towards, like open borders.
anyone playing in the mud with DJT should immediately stop being considered for anything, imo. No idea. Every time I see Avenatti discussed the people seem to be living in an alternative reality where he is someone democratic voters give two shits about. It's pretty hilarious that Jacob Wohl is likely sitting somewhere giddy with glee that he did it, that he owned the libs, completely unaware that no one cares at all about Avenatti.
It is like the idiots who somehow believed Willie Nelson was a Republican, they exist in this alternative reality that we can barely understand.
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On November 16 2018 01:45 plasmidghost wrote:I don't read CNBC very often so I'm not sure what their biases/leanings are, but this is a pretty interesting article on how Trump basically tricked the Saudis into increasing oil production because they thought Iran's oil exports were going to drop to zero, before Trump announced that Iran's biggest oil customers would be exempt from the sanctions. My question is, what could the Saudis do to get back at Trump/the US for this? Decrease oil production or limit the amount sold to the US? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/trump-duped-saudis-into-tanking-oil-prices-analysts-say.html
Let's see what happens in retaliation down the line, but for right now good on Trump.
Finally being an asshole for the good of the nation
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He could make his clients lie but not his wife. ironic
I think you guys have the meme wrong, he's the guy who seems to be living in alternative reality where he should run for 2020.
e. The following article is titled Michael Avenatti 2020 election campaign. That is also what it's about.
www.politico.com
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On November 16 2018 02:04 HwangjaeTerran wrote:He could make his clients lie but not his wife. ironic I think you guys have the meme wrong, he's the guy who seems to be living in alternative reality where he should run for 2020. www.politico.com
I mean yeah, you're right Avanetti is in an alternate reality himself too. That's what makes him such a ridiculous caricature for the Republicans to focus on.
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Vermin Supreme deserves all the headlines Avenatti gets. He is a monster of the media's making, who will implode once they look away.
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On November 16 2018 01:52 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2018 01:41 Plansix wrote:On November 16 2018 01:38 brian wrote:
people actually believe he’s going to try to run for an office? on what qualifications? i thought this was a right wing meme. something to release all that hot air towards, like open borders.
anyone playing in the mud with DJT should immediately stop being considered for anything, imo. No idea. Every time I see Avenatti discussed the people seem to be living in an alternative reality where he is someone democratic voters give two shits about. It's pretty hilarious that Jacob Wohl is likely sitting somewhere giddy with glee that he did it, that he owned the libs, completely unaware that no one cares at all about Avenatti. I'm more interested in what happens to Jacob Wohl if he made a fake domestic abuse allegation against someone.
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On November 16 2018 02:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2018 01:52 Logo wrote:On November 16 2018 01:41 Plansix wrote:On November 16 2018 01:38 brian wrote:
people actually believe he’s going to try to run for an office? on what qualifications? i thought this was a right wing meme. something to release all that hot air towards, like open borders.
anyone playing in the mud with DJT should immediately stop being considered for anything, imo. No idea. Every time I see Avenatti discussed the people seem to be living in an alternative reality where he is someone democratic voters give two shits about. It's pretty hilarious that Jacob Wohl is likely sitting somewhere giddy with glee that he did it, that he owned the libs, completely unaware that no one cares at all about Avenatti. I'm more interested in what happens to Jacob Wohl if he made a fake domestic abuse allegation against someone.
Which is kind of how it is looking, right? Everyone involved says nothing ever happened. I don't understand how Avenatti ends up arrested when the person he supposedly assaulted says he didn't.
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On November 16 2018 02:04 HwangjaeTerran wrote:He could make his clients lie but not his wife. ironic I think you guys have the meme wrong, he's the guy who seems to be living in alternative reality where he should run for 2020. e. The following article is titled Michael Avenatti 2020 election campaign. That is also what it's about. www.politico.com
Jacob Wohl, who was caught offering women money in exchange for accusing Mueller of sexual misconduct, has claimed credit for Avenattis arrest. Also Avenatti's wife has been on his side.
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On November 16 2018 02:44 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2018 02:37 Gorsameth wrote:On November 16 2018 01:52 Logo wrote:On November 16 2018 01:41 Plansix wrote:On November 16 2018 01:38 brian wrote:
people actually believe he’s going to try to run for an office? on what qualifications? i thought this was a right wing meme. something to release all that hot air towards, like open borders.
anyone playing in the mud with DJT should immediately stop being considered for anything, imo. No idea. Every time I see Avenatti discussed the people seem to be living in an alternative reality where he is someone democratic voters give two shits about. It's pretty hilarious that Jacob Wohl is likely sitting somewhere giddy with glee that he did it, that he owned the libs, completely unaware that no one cares at all about Avenatti. I'm more interested in what happens to Jacob Wohl if he made a fake domestic abuse allegation against someone. Which is kind of how it is looking, right? Everyone involved says nothing ever happened. I don't understand how Avenatti ends up arrested when the person he supposedly assaulted says he didn't. I read somewhere that its standard procedure for police in that state to arrest people accused of domestic abuse.
Its a weird confusing thing atm. I'm sure it will become more concrete soon as police do an initial investigation.
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I think a lot of domestic abuse victims don’t admit that they are victims so it makes some sense to investigate to see if the victim is pressured/shamed into silence or not.
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On November 16 2018 02:56 micronesia wrote:
I think a lot of domestic abuse victims don’t admit that they are victims so it makes some sense to investigate to see if the victim is pressured/shamed into silence or not.
This is true and I think everyone should at least assume the police did their due diligence before making this arrest. Avenatti is an attorney after all. Any police department making that arrest is going to make doubly sure they are not exposing themselves to a lawsuit for wrongful arrest. But the existence of Jacob Wohl should not be discounted either. That man is the living embodiment of a dangerous idiot.
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On November 16 2018 02:56 micronesia wrote:
I think a lot of domestic abuse victims don’t admit that they are victims so it makes some sense to investigate to see if the victim is pressured/shamed into silence or not.
Admit? A lot of them are so far into Stockholm they don't even understand that they're victims. One of the first steps to getting help is to realise it's not normal for your husband to hit you when you dropped his beer bottle.
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Democrats have flipped another house seat in Maine. That brings the total gains to 35 seats. And leaves only one Republican standing in all of New England.
Side note: the now defeated republican filed a last minute court challenge to the voter approved election system when it looked like he might lose. The judge said "citizens of Maine “have rejected the policy arguments Plaintiffs advance”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/us/politics/poliquin-maine-loses.html
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On November 15 2018 16:58 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2018 16:43 ReditusSum wrote:On November 14 2018 19:45 Gorsameth wrote:On November 14 2018 19:41 ReditusSum wrote:On November 14 2018 13:16 Plansix wrote:On November 14 2018 13:09 plasmidghost wrote:On November 14 2018 13:02 Womwomwom wrote:On November 14 2018 12:45 plasmidghost wrote:On November 14 2018 12:30 Womwomwom wrote:
They've already indicted several people within Trump's inner circle so its already been more "productive" than all the Benghazi hearings put together. The only narrative that might get blown is that they can't figure if Trump made any direct effort to collude. That doesn't mean Donald Trump Jr can't get busted for talking to a foreign power about "adoptions". I'm 99% sure they won't, but I hope the Dems don't make a huge fuss should the investigation not show collusion by Trump's campaign (I should clarify that I mean some of the more progressive Dems that just got elected). I feel like some people will try to say the investigation wasn't legitimate and we've already had enough attacks on institutions like the FBI and the Justice Department by the Republicans that having those allegation thrown by the Dems will make things worse Just saw the above post, looks like I am missing that part about we knowing there being attempted colusion. What specifically has been revealed? Donald Trump Jr had a meeting with people connected with the Russian oligarchy to talk about the "adoption of Russian children" (in other words, the Magnitsky Act). Which turned into a meeting to see someone who "might have information helpful to the campaign." Which turned into this tweet: Then into this tweet: I think its pretty clear cut that someone in the campaign at least attempted to collude with a foreign power and there was some quid pro quo business going on. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together, they were simultaneously talking about the Magnitsky Act and talking about obtaining negative information about a political opponent. I cannot believe I forgot about this, I guess it just goes to show how many thoroughly crazy stories got reported that this still isn't a talking point, although I'm sure Mueller hasn't forgotten I'm actually curious on the laws regarding this. Is it legal to get dirt on a political rival from someone not affiliated with any government? I assume if they were affiliated with any foreign government, even if they were an ally, it would be illegal It is super fucking illegal to receive material support(money, or anything of value) from a foreign power to assist in winning an election. Sure is. Which is why it is interesting that no one on the left seemed to mind Hillary Clinton's campaign using British intelligence assets to hunt down dirt on Donald Trump. Intelligence assets that worked closely with Russian sources to gather said dirt and put it into a dossier that was then illegally leaked to the media. No, it is much easier just to memory hole all that with a media blackout and straw-manning it all as "because SOROS". Anyway let's look at the fruits of the Mueller "investigation": Because the Democrats hired a US company that has employees, not all of who are US citizens. Its almost like the two situations are very different, and one is illegal and the other is not. But hey, who cares about actual facts right. Not sure I understand this standard. It is okay to receive dirt on your political opponents from Russian agents as long as you launder that information first? When Trump cronies meet with Russian cronies in private and receive dirt in exchange for getting rid of the Magnitsky Act, Trump's cronies are undermining the democratic institutions.
Oh well then I guess it is a good thing this never happened.
On November 15 2018 17:05 WolfintheSheep wrote:
This is also ignoring that Clinton and the DNC didn't even get any information from Russian agents. Or British agents, for that matter.
Well, technically, I suppose this is true. Steele laundered the information, but said information came directly from Russian sources, presumably in the government.
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Leading the charge for things the Democrats are totally going to investigate, the Trump administration making formal requests to turn over Erdogan’s number one most hated resident over to him, a legal resident of the US. All to silence Turkey reporting on the murder of a US journalist.
They wrote it all down and everything, like no one would ever notice for find out. Like they don’t know that people in the FBI and Justice are going to leak this shit.
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Back on the Trump/Russia collusion thing. Some of you may have noticed that Trump is lashing out at Mueller again after a solid two months of silence. TPM has some musings of a former prosecutor as to why. The running theory is that this is all about whether DJT knew ahead of time and/or after about Agalarov/DonJR/Kushner/Manafort meeting with a Russian agent for dirt on HRC on the floor below him in Trump tower on July (or maybe June) 6 meeting in 2016. Mueller is sending written interrogatories to team Trump that have to be answered under oath in lieu of an actual deposition. Trump has been publicly lying about knowing about the meeting. We know this is a lie because he put together that 'adoptions' BS and had DonJR repeat it. The question is what will DJT put down as his answer.
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It is hard to say what’s causing Trump’s current Mueller meltdown. But if reports are true that he and his lawyers are working on answering written questions from the Special Counsel, that probably has him especially on edge. One question in particular poses a huge dilemma for Trump: Did you know in advance about Don Jr.’s Trump Tower meeting with the Russians? Obviously, he did. He likely authorized the meeting and got a read out right after it. Why else would he have dictated the bogus “adoption” cover story? Why else, in the days prior to the meeting, would he have promised explosive information about Hillary to come out shortly after it? And Mueller no doubt has additional evidence of Trump’s foreknowledge (from Gates, Manafort, Cohen, phone records, etc.).
Now, Trump has to decide whether to admit the obvious, or continue his obstruction and denial. If he admits it, he risks (a) implicating his son in perjury for lying to Congress; (b) incriminating himself in a scheme to obstruct justice by concocting a bogus cover story about the meeting; and (c) providing direct evidence of his intent to conspire with potential Russian agents. If he denies it, it will likely provide an open and shut false statement case to Mueller on top of whatever else they have on him. I’m not sure how his lawyers will try to thread this needle, but I predict some sort of lawyered up version of an evasive “I don’t recall.” That won’t be credible either coming from someone who once boasted of having one of the “great memories of all time,” but it’s probably the only place he can go other than simply refusing to answer. Regardless, he’s in a box and he knows it. So he’s lashing out.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/seems-plausible
EDIT: to the above, this is why I am a lifer Democrat. Dems do stupid, disappointing things all the time. Republicans will commit acts of evil. Selling out Gulen to get Turkey off of KSA/MBS's back to ease pressure of their murdering an American national (or green card holder, I can't remember) is truly sinister. That is comic book level villainy. The bad guys in 24 would do that kind of stuff.
EDIT2: confirmation. DJT's freak out is about the interrogatories.
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On November 16 2018 05:41 Plansix wrote:Leading the charge for things the Democrats are totally going to investigate, the Trump administration making formal requests to turn over Erdogan’s number one most hated resident over to him, a legal resident of the US. All to silence Turkey reporting on the murder of a US journalist. They wrote it all down and everything, like no one would ever notice for find out. Like they don’t know that people in the FBI and Justice are going to leak this shit. https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1063117779820314640
The 'in exchange for lettting up on the Saudi's' part seems to be just a guess, what do they base that on? Just the timing of the requests?
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On November 16 2018 06:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2018 05:41 Plansix wrote:Leading the charge for things the Democrats are totally going to investigate, the Trump administration making formal requests to turn over Erdogan’s number one most hated resident over to him, a legal resident of the US. All to silence Turkey reporting on the murder of a US journalist. They wrote it all down and everything, like no one would ever notice for find out. Like they don’t know that people in the FBI and Justice are going to leak this shit. https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1063117779820314640 The 'in exchange for lettting up on the Saudi's' part seems to be just a guess, what do they base that on? Just the timing of the requests?
Statements from like 4 officials within the administration with knowledge of the requests to the Justice Department, FBI and Homeland Security. They were trying to revoke his Green Card or find any way to legally deport Fethullah Gulen. They were actively trying to cut a deal with Turkey to stop releasing information about the murder of Khashoggi. They also were looking into handing over a Turkish Banker, Mehmet Hakan Atilla, who tried to violate sanctions on Iran. That banker is also the reason former US Attorney Preet Bharara cannot travel anywhere near Turkey and doesn’t feel comfortable traveling abroad.
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On November 16 2018 06:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2018 06:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On November 16 2018 05:41 Plansix wrote:Leading the charge for things the Democrats are totally going to investigate, the Trump administration making formal requests to turn over Erdogan’s number one most hated resident over to him, a legal resident of the US. All to silence Turkey reporting on the murder of a US journalist. They wrote it all down and everything, like no one would ever notice for find out. Like they don’t know that people in the FBI and Justice are going to leak this shit. https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1063117779820314640 The 'in exchange for lettting up on the Saudi's' part seems to be just a guess, what do they base that on? Just the timing of the requests? Statements from like 4 officials within the administration with knowledge of the requests to the Justice Department, FBI and Homeland Security. They were trying to revoke his Green Card or find any way to legally deport Fethullah Gulen. They were actively trying to cut a deal with Turkey to stop releasing information about the murder of Khashoggi. They also were looking into handing over a Turkish Banker, Mehmet Hakan Atilla, who tried to violate sanctions on Iran. That banker is also the reason former US Attorney Preet Bharara cannot travel anywhere near Turkey and doesn’t feel comfortable traveling abroad.
Stuff like this makes having a CIA guy as secretary of state a bad look. Makes you wonder if Pompeo went there for the sake of the dead journalist or to discuss these kind of things.
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