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On November 12 2018 22:54 Velr wrote:
I can't remember ever having heard of nationalism as something good, in the context of the last 100 or so years. In my ears it just screams (hidden) facist.
I don't think most people find fascism appealing so I think you are doing yourself a disservice if you make such an assumption. Definitions of fascism never leave out the ultranationalistic part, and most people are not extreme in any way, especially in stable environments.
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On November 12 2018 22:49 HwangjaeTerran wrote:I just scrolled through r/ dolan for about 15 minutes and this was the only post that referenced Russia or Putin https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/9w4mnj/priceless_faces_of_world_leaders_receiving_despot/a lot of crooked hillary memes, but most prominent were posts and links to newspapers about the ballot boxes found in airports and post offices at Broward some hopeful posts about the terrorist group Antifa maybe finally getting shut down and some disagreement with Macron's nationalism arguments which idk, seems like a matter of interpretation the spirit of nationalism granted many countries independence with peace harmony and prosperity, and many of the most peaceful and prosperous nations today are strongly nationalistic some even very racist to most westerners then again there is the type of nationalism that led to world wars and the instability and extremism after the soviet union disintegrated, possibly due to destruction of the people's original cultures so Macron's statement kind of makes sense since the first option is clearly out of reach for France and Germany then again the multicultural success story for most people is the US which is currently in a culture war can't say I saw any anti-semitism or globalist conspiracies, maybe I use reddit wrong some really good ballot box memes though 5/5
well, the collusion story isn’t in the news. wait until Mueller hands out his next indictment and i’ll bet you a thread ban you’ll see it everywhere.
until then, i won’t say you’re bad at redditting, but this is on the front page of the sub https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/9w9hft/do_you_know_what_vladimir_putin_is_doing_right/?st=JOEDY1G0&sh=e28a1297
and near the end of the top level comments i found a soros conspiracy theory! color me surprised.
“If you listen to Putin when he opens his mouth, he seems a lot more level-headed than unhinged Hilary. Who is a bigger threat?
“The Russia conspiracy theory, I believe, is a smokescreen to cover up real cheating and criminal activity from the Democrats and to try to discredit the Presidency of Trump.
“Globalists like Soros have way more influence in our system than the Kremlin. Move On and all these other groups have one goal in mind: to overthrow a Trump administration because they can't control Trump.
“The message from the Left is clear: How dare you deplorable proles believe in America!
“But we believe in America and our President believes in America too! MAGA!“
of course, this isn’t all that damning. but again, the thread ban bet stands as offered, for any takers, when the next indictment comes in. if this is what it’s like on a non-news day, i’ll wait with baited breath.
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On November 12 2018 22:49 HwangjaeTerran wrote:I just scrolled through r/ dolan for about 15 minutes and this was the only post that referenced Russia or Putin https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/9w4mnj/priceless_faces_of_world_leaders_receiving_despot/a lot of crooked hillary memes, but most prominent were posts and links to newspapers about the ballot boxes found in airports and post offices at Broward some hopeful posts about the terrorist group Antifa maybe finally getting shut down and some disagreement with Macron's nationalism arguments which idk, seems like a matter of interpretation the spirit of nationalism granted many countries independence with peace harmony and prosperity, and many of the most peaceful and prosperous nations today are strongly nationalistic some even very racist to most westerners then again there is the type of nationalism that led to world wars and the instability and extremism after the soviet union disintegrated, possibly due to destruction of the people's original cultures so Macron's statement kind of makes sense since the first option is clearly out of reach for France and Germany then again the multicultural success story for most people is the US which is currently in a culture war can't say I saw any anti-semitism or globalist conspiracies, maybe I use reddit wrong some really good ballot box memes though 5/5
Nationalist =/= nationalism.
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One of the core selling points to fascism is its appeal to the common person. It removes doubt and promises the population of a nation they will be fine if they just give up a few things. It promises unity and a sense of community. It is the promise of being saved by a strong leader and shown a path forward to prosperity. That is why fascism is terrifying, because it preys on the same basic appeal that a con-artist uses to trick people into terrible decisions. And the people pushing for fascism never overtly state their intent.
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On November 12 2018 22:59 Plansix wrote:
A lot of that page is filled with fictions about voter fraud in Florida. Some other conspiracy theories about Democrats wanting to register illegal immigrants to vote. And Tucker Carlson's weird story about his house being attacked that does not match up with the police report or other accounts.
A lot of the voter fraud links were from legit newspapers, I don't usually read any comments on socialist media because people are dumb.
That isn't to say all the sources were credible
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/9w93ex/nearly_200000_florida_voters_may_not_be_citizens
like the article on that website says it was written this year but the actual source says 2012
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Nearly-200000-Florida-Voters-May-Not-Be-Citizens-151212725.html
and the text dates itself so it actually doesn't take much reading comprehension
now ofc they might mean that this issue hasn't been fixed, but why would you fake the date then
but there definitely were some dubious sources on r/politics too when I checked it out and def less memes (left can't meme?)
side note, less posts on r/dolan seem to be about trump than on r/politics
overall reddit gets a solid 5/10 from me, shitty policies, lackluster content checks, some solid memes
I haven't seen the police report or other conflicting accounts about the tucker carlson incidents, do you guys have any links?
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On November 12 2018 23:13 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2018 22:49 HwangjaeTerran wrote:I just scrolled through r/ dolan for about 15 minutes and this was the only post that referenced Russia or Putin https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/9w4mnj/priceless_faces_of_world_leaders_receiving_despot/a lot of crooked hillary memes, but most prominent were posts and links to newspapers about the ballot boxes found in airports and post offices at Broward some hopeful posts about the terrorist group Antifa maybe finally getting shut down and some disagreement with Macron's nationalism arguments which idk, seems like a matter of interpretation the spirit of nationalism granted many countries independence with peace harmony and prosperity, and many of the most peaceful and prosperous nations today are strongly nationalistic some even very racist to most westerners then again there is the type of nationalism that led to world wars and the instability and extremism after the soviet union disintegrated, possibly due to destruction of the people's original cultures so Macron's statement kind of makes sense since the first option is clearly out of reach for France and Germany then again the multicultural success story for most people is the US which is currently in a culture war can't say I saw any anti-semitism or globalist conspiracies, maybe I use reddit wrong some really good ballot box memes though 5/5 Nationalist =/= nationalism.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalist
can you give me a bit more, low IQ individual here
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I had read news reports with direct quotes from the report. Carlson has made it seem like the protesters were attempting to enter his home and harm his wife. The police report does not support that, stating only that Carlson’s wife heard banging. Carlson also says they damaged his house, which is not supported by the police report. From my reading, a loud, scary sounding protest took place outside his house and its scared his wife. The protesters spray painted a sign on his drive way as well. Obviously, they should have called the police, but he has been misrepresenting the events on TV. Likely because, well, there is no punishment for lying these days.
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On November 12 2018 23:52 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2018 23:13 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On November 12 2018 22:49 HwangjaeTerran wrote:I just scrolled through r/ dolan for about 15 minutes and this was the only post that referenced Russia or Putin https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/9w4mnj/priceless_faces_of_world_leaders_receiving_despot/a lot of crooked hillary memes, but most prominent were posts and links to newspapers about the ballot boxes found in airports and post offices at Broward some hopeful posts about the terrorist group Antifa maybe finally getting shut down and some disagreement with Macron's nationalism arguments which idk, seems like a matter of interpretation the spirit of nationalism granted many countries independence with peace harmony and prosperity, and many of the most peaceful and prosperous nations today are strongly nationalistic some even very racist to most westerners then again there is the type of nationalism that led to world wars and the instability and extremism after the soviet union disintegrated, possibly due to destruction of the people's original cultures so Macron's statement kind of makes sense since the first option is clearly out of reach for France and Germany then again the multicultural success story for most people is the US which is currently in a culture war can't say I saw any anti-semitism or globalist conspiracies, maybe I use reddit wrong some really good ballot box memes though 5/5 Nationalist =/= nationalism. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalistcan you give me a bit more, low IQ individual here
Don't really like wikipedia but here you go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_nationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism
There's loads of variants of nationalism, that does actually fit into merriam-webster defintion of nationalists "1: an advocate of or believer in nationalism ", and of nationalism "1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups " or ."2: a nationalist movement or government",
especially since those definitons being virtually worthless being circular.
"2: a member of a political party or group advocating national independence or strong national government"
Which USA being a single independent country for generations can surely not apply to them.
In the end though, you can agree that nationalist does not mean "interests of our own country ahead of the interests of other countries.", which happens to be his parlance for supporting Trump and the republican Party.
Or maybe you don't, I can't read your mind. If you are genuinely interested or not.
Afterall you talk about the spirit of nationalism from centuries past, that of a cultural identity forming nations, but since virtually everyone in USA has that cultural identity, it seems pointless to point out that Trumpets identify and are nationalists, as then everyone is a nationalist, in which everyone certainly do not identify themselves with, and are two totally different concepts in the first place.
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On November 12 2018 23:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2018 22:54 Velr wrote:
I can't remember ever having heard of nationalism as something good, in the context of the last 100 or so years. In my ears it just screams (hidden) facist. I don't think most people find fascism appealing so I think you are doing yourself a disservice if you make such an assumption. Definitions of fascism never leave out the ultranationalistic part, and most people are not extreme in any way, especially in stable environments.
The reason why fascism isn't appealing is because it's tied to the authoritarianism that naturally goes with it, but when fascism prevails it doesn't prevail through convincing people that authoritarianism is awesome. You need some sort of crisis within a capitalist system, then you redefine the world through a us vs them nationalist narrative, and you most likely have the support of the capitalist class because they correctly perceive that fascism is going to be better for them personally than socialism would be (see the support that Bolsonaro is getting for example). It's actually much easier to get there than you would expect, especially now that we are very vulnerable to crises because of neoliberalism.
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there's also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_conservatism
which I find to be closer to most people's definition of nationalism rather than anything racist
I can't say I'm really interested in debating terms or wikipedia definitions
wikipedia is pretty infested and meaningless these days
On November 13 2018 01:32 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2018 23:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On November 12 2018 22:54 Velr wrote:
I can't remember ever having heard of nationalism as something good, in the context of the last 100 or so years. In my ears it just screams (hidden) facist. I don't think most people find fascism appealing so I think you are doing yourself a disservice if you make such an assumption. Definitions of fascism never leave out the ultranationalistic part, and most people are not extreme in any way, especially in stable environments. The reason why fascism isn't appealing is because it's tied to the authoritarianism that naturally goes with it, but when fascism prevails it doesn't prevail through convincing people that authoritarianism is awesome. You need some sort of crisis within a capitalist system, then you redefine the world through a us vs them nationalist narrative, and you most likely have the support of the capitalist class because they correctly perceive that fascism is going to be better for them personally than socialism would be (see the support that Bolsonaro is getting for example). It's actually much easier to get there than you would expect, especially now that we are very vulnerable to crises because of neoliberalism.
So when a Trumpian nationalist wants more controlled immigration their interests are in line of preventing a crisis within the system, thus preventing themselves from turning to the extreme? perfectly sensible 
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On November 13 2018 02:07 HwangjaeTerran wrote:So when a Trumpian nationalist wants more controlled immigration their interests are in line of preventing a crisis within the system, thus preventing themselves from turning to the extreme? perfectly sensible
I'm not sure what you mean. More or less immigration does little to prevent an economic crisis.
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Trumpian nationalist want "controlled" immigration, but do not want to go through the democratic process to obtain what they want. And when they talk about controlled immigration, they want it to be "merit based" which will provide a number of subjective vectors for immigration to be denied. And when it comes down to it, they also don't like legal immigration either.
And there is no crisis being created by immigration, legal or illegal, in the US.
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On November 13 2018 02:07 HwangjaeTerran wrote:there's also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_conservatismwhich I find to be closer to most people's definition of nationalism rather than anything racist I can't say I'm really interested in debating terms or wikipedia definitions wikipedia is pretty infested and meaningless these days
Yet you are perfectly happy using merriam-webster?
By that you can point to your own defintion which is different from merriam-webster? Maybe it is all a less simple than you think that nationalist = nationalism? Yes? No? Maybe? Your original post which I quoted uses nationalist and nationalism in three different ways, none of which can be equated to each other. I never said that nationalism is rascist, that's you.
In either case, can you agree that kmllz usage of nationalist differs from all your usages, which in itself contradicts your simple claim that nationalist = nationalism or vice versa?
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NPR had some good coverage this morning on the fires in California. About 200 people are still missing and reports are people died in their cars, which gives you an idea of how fast the fires were moving. It is terrible and I'm glad the news agencies have gotten away from the recount drama to more important stories.
Related, I recommend looking at Axl Rose's twitter(yes, that Axl Rose) who has been critical of the fire response from the Trump administration and lack of federal assistance for fire prevention. It has been the only amusing part of this entire event. And seeing people confused in thinking that Axl Rose would be a Republican for ungodly reason.
Death Toll In California Wildfires Climbs To At Least 31
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On November 13 2018 03:14 Plansix wrote:NPR had some good coverage this morning on the fires in California. About 200 people are still missing and reports are people died in their cars, which gives you an idea of how fast the fires were moving. It is terrible and I'm glad the news agencies have gotten away from the recount drama to more important stories. Related, I recommend looking at Axl Rose's twitter(yes, that Axl Rose) who has been critical of the fire response from the Trump administration and lack of federal assistance for fire prevention. It has been the only amusing part of this entire event. And seeing people confused in thinking that Axl Rose would be a Republican for ungodly reason. Death Toll In California Wildfires Climbs To At Least 31
As someone who lives in DTLA, you can smell the fires from here and see the sky being changed.
If I didn't live in the middle of a crap ton of concrete I would be worried
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On November 12 2018 22:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2018 08:40 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:27 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:22 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:15 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:10 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:09 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:06 kmillz wrote:
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No, but our own government is a far great concern to most Americans than Putin. Most people agree that Putin is not a good guy. If you actually look through the majority of comments in this one thread people are saying they just want peace and healthy relationships with our adversaries. I can appreciate being more concerned with things closer to home. That's not the same thing as claiming Putin "isn't as bad" as the American government, a sentiment which you claimed was "to an extent... true". I didn't say that though lol *shrug* On November 12 2018 07:55 kmillz wrote:"He sure isn't as bad as the Satanists that have run our country." This is hyperbole, but to an extent it is true. Our own government has done far more destruction to our rights than Russia has in the last few decades. Would you care to clarify this post then? Not sure what more there is to clarify, do you need me to define hyperbole for you? You could define to what extent you believe it is true. Otherwise we are not exchanging information and this is not a conversation, merely rhetoric. Globally and overall Russia is absolutely worse than the US, and Putin is not a good man. That doesn't mean we can't find common ground and things to work out with one of the world's biggest nuclear powers. As it relates to how these things directly affect American citizens, our own government has been more damaging to our own civil liberties with heinous policies enacted by both George Bush and Barack Obama. Most notably the Patriot Act and the NDAA. Saying "Putin's not as bad as Satanists in our own government" is an exaggeration, in my view (they are not literally Satanists and our government is not literally worse than Putin), but it (the American government) has been very bad for American civil liberties and is directly affecting Americans in a worse way than Russia currently is. The government of the United States has greater capability by several orders of magnitude to affect the lives of its citizens, for better or for worse, than any foreign power including Russia, so the American government) has been very bad for American civil liberties and is directly affecting Americans in a worse way than Russia currently is is not really an interesting statement. Is there a reason why Trump didn't make your list of presidents infringing on civil liberties? I was just answering the question, I'm sorry it was uninteresting lol. As I'm sure you are aware, alot of Trump supporters are nationalists. That's not a dog whistle, it just means they care about the interests of our own country ahead of the interests of other countries. Trump ran on "America First" and that resonated very well for his base. Oh look, it's the only nationalists care about their country bullshit again. Guess what, it's pretty safe to assume that everyone cares about the interests of their own country. And none of them would identity with being a nationalist, except, well, nationalists themselves. What a worthless definition. What nationalists care about is propagating the power of their politics; they don't care about their own country, they own care about their politics, and everybody and everything else that makes up a democracy and democratic institution can just be destroted along with it. If you care about the interest of your country, that doesn't make you a nationalist, that just makes you normal. However, if you think only nationalists care about the interest of their country, that makes you...just a nationalist sadly. It's not something to be proudly thumping your chest for.
You keep leaving out that part about "ahead of the interests of other countries" as if I didn't say it. I'm not sure if you're just being dense or intentionally misleading to try to turn the context I used nationalism in into something else. And yes you can care about your country and not be a nationalist, but you could also put the interests of foreigners AHEAD of the interests of your own nation while still caring about your own country. That's not nationalism.
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On November 13 2018 03:40 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2018 22:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On November 12 2018 08:40 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:27 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:22 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:15 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:10 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:09 Aquanim wrote:
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I can appreciate being more concerned with things closer to home.
That's not the same thing as claiming Putin "isn't as bad" as the American government, a sentiment which you claimed was "to an extent... true". I didn't say that though lol *shrug* On November 12 2018 07:55 kmillz wrote:"He sure isn't as bad as the Satanists that have run our country." This is hyperbole, but to an extent it is true. Our own government has done far more destruction to our rights than Russia has in the last few decades. Would you care to clarify this post then? Not sure what more there is to clarify, do you need me to define hyperbole for you? You could define to what extent you believe it is true. Otherwise we are not exchanging information and this is not a conversation, merely rhetoric. Globally and overall Russia is absolutely worse than the US, and Putin is not a good man. That doesn't mean we can't find common ground and things to work out with one of the world's biggest nuclear powers. As it relates to how these things directly affect American citizens, our own government has been more damaging to our own civil liberties with heinous policies enacted by both George Bush and Barack Obama. Most notably the Patriot Act and the NDAA. Saying "Putin's not as bad as Satanists in our own government" is an exaggeration, in my view (they are not literally Satanists and our government is not literally worse than Putin), but it (the American government) has been very bad for American civil liberties and is directly affecting Americans in a worse way than Russia currently is. The government of the United States has greater capability by several orders of magnitude to affect the lives of its citizens, for better or for worse, than any foreign power including Russia, so the American government) has been very bad for American civil liberties and is directly affecting Americans in a worse way than Russia currently is is not really an interesting statement. Is there a reason why Trump didn't make your list of presidents infringing on civil liberties? I was just answering the question, I'm sorry it was uninteresting lol. As I'm sure you are aware, alot of Trump supporters are nationalists. That's not a dog whistle, it just means they care about the interests of our own country ahead of the interests of other countries. Trump ran on "America First" and that resonated very well for his base. Oh look, it's the only nationalists care about their country bullshit again. Guess what, it's pretty safe to assume that everyone cares about the interests of their own country. And none of them would identity with being a nationalist, except, well, nationalists themselves. What a worthless definition. What nationalists care about is propagating the power of their politics; they don't care about their own country, they own care about their politics, and everybody and everything else that makes up a democracy and democratic institution can just be destroted along with it. If you care about the interest of your country, that doesn't make you a nationalist, that just makes you normal. However, if you think only nationalists care about the interest of their country, that makes you...just a nationalist sadly. It's not something to be proudly thumping your chest for. You keep leaving out that part about "ahead of the interests of other countries" as if I didn't say it. I'm not sure if you're just being dense or intentionally misleading to try to turn the context I used nationalism in into something else. And yes you can care about your country and not be a nationalist, but you could also put the interests of foreigners AHEAD of the interests of your own nation while still caring about your own country. That's not nationalism.
This is not a political theory that is practiced in modern politics. Or really ever. No one runs on the putting another nation’s interests ahead of their own nation. That isn’t a platform that exists.
Dangermousecatdog point that nationalism is national self interest at the expense of foreign nations, while claiming to be the only political viewpoint interested in protecting national interests. Which is completely bullshit.
And don’t even try to use the globalist label as people putting other nations first. Globalist is just a word people use to describe “not nationalist” or “people who disagree with my bad economic plans”.
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On November 13 2018 04:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2018 03:40 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 22:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On November 12 2018 08:40 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:27 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:22 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:15 kmillz wrote:On November 12 2018 08:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 12 2018 08:10 kmillz wrote:
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I didn't say that though lol *shrug* On November 12 2018 07:55 kmillz wrote:[quote]
This is hyperbole, but to an extent it is true. Our own government has done far more destruction to our rights than Russia has in the last few decades. Would you care to clarify this post then? Not sure what more there is to clarify, do you need me to define hyperbole for you? You could define to what extent you believe it is true. Otherwise we are not exchanging information and this is not a conversation, merely rhetoric. Globally and overall Russia is absolutely worse than the US, and Putin is not a good man. That doesn't mean we can't find common ground and things to work out with one of the world's biggest nuclear powers. As it relates to how these things directly affect American citizens, our own government has been more damaging to our own civil liberties with heinous policies enacted by both George Bush and Barack Obama. Most notably the Patriot Act and the NDAA. Saying "Putin's not as bad as Satanists in our own government" is an exaggeration, in my view (they are not literally Satanists and our government is not literally worse than Putin), but it (the American government) has been very bad for American civil liberties and is directly affecting Americans in a worse way than Russia currently is. The government of the United States has greater capability by several orders of magnitude to affect the lives of its citizens, for better or for worse, than any foreign power including Russia, so the American government) has been very bad for American civil liberties and is directly affecting Americans in a worse way than Russia currently is is not really an interesting statement. Is there a reason why Trump didn't make your list of presidents infringing on civil liberties? I was just answering the question, I'm sorry it was uninteresting lol. As I'm sure you are aware, alot of Trump supporters are nationalists. That's not a dog whistle, it just means they care about the interests of our own country ahead of the interests of other countries. Trump ran on "America First" and that resonated very well for his base. Oh look, it's the only nationalists care about their country bullshit again. Guess what, it's pretty safe to assume that everyone cares about the interests of their own country. And none of them would identity with being a nationalist, except, well, nationalists themselves. What a worthless definition. What nationalists care about is propagating the power of their politics; they don't care about their own country, they own care about their politics, and everybody and everything else that makes up a democracy and democratic institution can just be destroted along with it. If you care about the interest of your country, that doesn't make you a nationalist, that just makes you normal. However, if you think only nationalists care about the interest of their country, that makes you...just a nationalist sadly. It's not something to be proudly thumping your chest for. You keep leaving out that part about "ahead of the interests of other countries" as if I didn't say it. I'm not sure if you're just being dense or intentionally misleading to try to turn the context I used nationalism in into something else. And yes you can care about your country and not be a nationalist, but you could also put the interests of foreigners AHEAD of the interests of your own nation while still caring about your own country. That's not nationalism. This is not a political theory that is practiced in modern politics. Or really ever. No one runs on the putting another nation’s interests ahead of their own nation. That isn’t a platform that exists. Dangermousecatdog point that nationalism is national self interest at the expense of foreign nations, while claiming to be the only political viewpoint interested in protecting national interests. Which is completely bullshit. And don’t even try to use the globalist label as people putting other nations first. Globalist is just a word people use to describe “not nationalist” or “people who disagree with my bad economic plans”.
Of course they do, they just do it under the guise of moral superiority to defend those policies. "We're not the racists! We love immigrants! We are a nation of immigrants. Diversity is our strength. Our message is better because we are better people than them!" etc.. etc..
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Wtf are you even on about?
You use an outdated meaning of natoonalist/m and then just stick to it to fight some stupid fight?
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On November 13 2018 04:25 Velr wrote:
Wtf are you even on about?
You use an outdated meaning of natoonalist/m and then just stick to it to fight some stupid fight?
Sorry, you don't get to change the definition I'm using just because you want to get into a pointless semantics debate.
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