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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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pmh
1416 Posts
Average American probably thinks the economy isn't that great. Working 60-80 hours a weak and barely able to pay the bills. But the figures are good,if they would have been bad then the situation for those americans struggling to come by would be even worse. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
On November 05 2018 23:37 pmh wrote: Average American probably thinks the economy isn't that great. Working 60-80 hours a weak and barely able to pay the bills. But the figures are good,if they would have been bad then the situation for those americans struggling to come by would be even worse. i don’t buy ‘it could always be worse’ as an explanation for anything being ‘good.’ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 05 2018 23:37 pmh wrote: Average American probably thinks the economy isn't that great. Working 60-80 hours a weak and barely able to pay the bills. But the figures are good,if they would have been bad then the situation for those americans struggling to come by would be even worse. Have you ever considered that the metrics we use to measure the economy are bad? That they measure the amount of money and productivity, but not if any of that is reaching the America voter? Unemployment is very low, which is a sign the economy is strong. But Americans have a really hard time meeting the cost of living, so how much value is this strong economy to the average American? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
i think a lot of the data is tracked based on income level and other categories and available on the sites, but people generally just don't bother going into it and just read the summaries BLS puts out. | ||
KwarK
United States44381 Posts
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Panthous
30 Posts
I think it is dangerous to say that the economy isn't doing so great because it just appears to be doing great. This completely ignores the point of the baked-in inequality mechanisms of the current economic system. What do you think will happen when the economy collapses once again? It also presupposes that there are different types of economic growth and that the next one may be of the type that will benefit the working poor. The working poor threw a Molotov cocktail into Washington and the democrats didn't even blink. They changed nothing. The fact of the matter is that all these people will never ever get good paying jobs ever again. They simply aren't productive in the right way. And they and their children will be poorer than their parents. They will never benefit significantly from any economic growth. And let's not forget that having economic growth if a finite quantity. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 06 2018 02:56 Panthous wrote: You cannot say the economy isn't doing well just because it doesn't benefit everyone. If the economy is growing that means the size of the pie is growing. How that pie is then subdivided is not what economic growth means. Which is why economic growth is a useless metric for the average American voter. There is no reason for them to be excited about an economy that doesn’t benefit them. The majority of Americans do not have $400 the ability to pay a $400 surprise expense. The roaring economy isn’t doing shit for them. And I have no idea what you are talking about with the Democrats throwing anything in Washington. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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pmh
1416 Posts
While it is mostly the already rich people that profit from economic opportunitys,the jobs do benefit the average American.Economic growth is not the whole story but it is not insignificant either. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
I probably should've read the local paper, but I'm too lazy and cheap to do that. Guess only the Dem and Rep candidates matter? I don't even know if any of these random candidates from the other various "parties" even stand a chance in my state, and I rather just not risk splitting my single vote if it gives a really bad candidate a chance. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 06 2018 04:37 riotjune wrote: So what you guys using to look up your ballot beforehand and to do some last minute research on the candidates? There's Ballotpedia, a site that has too many links and kinda hard to navigate through. There's also Vote411.org, which gives a quick rundown of the candidates' position on various issues (though some stuff on the Republicans' side are suspiciously blank). Any easier to use sources? I probably should've read the local paper, but I'm too lazy and cheap to do that. Guess only the Dem and Rep candidates matter? I don't even know if any of these random candidates from the other various "parties" even stand a chance in my state, and I rather just not risk splitting my single vote if it gives a really bad candidate a chance. Every town in my state produces a Voters Handbook for the ballot questions and candidates. We use those and read up on the ballot questions. Right now my wife and I are trying to figure out which of local officials are the ones opposing the tax levy for road repair so we can vote those clowns out of office. I would check with your town official and ask if there is an online resource produced by them. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On November 06 2018 04:45 Plansix wrote: Every town in my state produces a Voters Handbook for the ballot questions and candidates. We use those and read up on the ballot questions. Right now my wife and I are trying to figure out which of local officials are the ones opposing the tax levy for road repair so we can vote those clowns out of office. I would check with your town official and ask if there is an online resource produced by them. Aw man that sounds like even more work. I didn't even know about the voter handbook thing lol. Guess there's no avoiding it. Wish we get a day off dedicated for stuff like this, if I wasn't dealing with a bunch of other stuff already. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 06 2018 04:54 riotjune wrote: Aw man that sounds like even more work. I didn't even know about the voter handbook thing lol. Guess there's no avoiding it. Wish we get a day off dedicated for stuff like this, if I wasn't dealing with a bunch of other stuff already. That is likely state dependent. MA is known for taxing people, so we get some perks like handbooks about questions on the ballot. But your answers are likely one phone call away. Just call your local goverment that is handling the election and ask. Something like: “Hey, so I have to vote tomorrow and I put off finding out exactly what will be on the ballot. Is there any possible way you could point me in the right direction so I’m not going in blind tomorrow?” From professional experience from making a lot of calls like that, people that work in the government are normally very helpful if you are only asking them how you can help yourself. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Edit: On November 06 2018 05:06 farvacola wrote: Ehh, plenty of people work on Sundays or observe them as days of rest that the act of voting might violate. Same goes for Saturday. I think designating a first Tuesday or Thursday of November as a holiday that all employers must observe is the ideal route, with some reasonable exceptions for essential jobs of course. Quite frankly I'm 100% on board with making national voting days a public holiday. I sometimes forget how different Sundays are treated around the globe (and even in Europe) | ||
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Simberto
Germany12028 Posts
But honestly, you don't even need a holiday. Just have votes happen on Sundays. Though i think a holiday that celebrates democracy is actually a pretty good idea. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On November 06 2018 02:56 Panthous wrote: You cannot say the economy isn't doing well just because it doesn't benefit everyone. If the economy is growing that means the size of the pie is growing. How that pie is then subdivided is not what economic growth means. I think it is dangerous to say that the economy isn't doing so great because it just appears to be doing great. This completely ignores the point of the baked-in inequality mechanisms of the current economic system. What do you think will happen when the economy collapses once again? It also presupposes that there are different types of economic growth and that the next one may be of the type that will benefit the working poor. The working poor threw a Molotov cocktail into Washington and the democrats didn't even blink. They changed nothing. The fact of the matter is that all these people will never ever get good paying jobs ever again. They simply aren't productive in the right way. And they and their children will be poorer than their parents. They will never benefit significantly from any economic growth. And let's not forget that having economic growth if a finite quantity. More like they wheeling the trojan horse with one garbage capitalist to the gates of the White House. To claim Trump was a Molotov against politics as usual is foolish. | ||
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