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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 06 2018 00:22 GMT
#16321
On October 06 2018 06:03 spudde123 wrote:
As perhaps expected, there's already takes on for example the Daily Wire about how Ford should now be investigated and how the entire thing was some sort of a coordinated plot and none of the allegations were genuine to begin with.

Putting aside how the politicians and the media handled it, I have a really hard time imagining women just waiting in line to make up false accusations and perhaps destroy their own lives in the process. Not to mention that looking at Ford's testimony, the first thing that came to mind wasn't exactly that she is an operative making the whole thing up. Would be interesting to know whether the FBI interviews just indicated that there's no evidence of the alleged assault, or if her entire story got somehow discredited.


In fairness, some gentle investigation just to make sure that it is legitimate and NOT a political hit job is worthwhile. Nothing too invasive given the topic, unless it looks fishy.

Just so that both sides can be satisfied.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 06 2018 00:56 GMT
#16322
I could certainly see how someone could conclude in good faith that the allegations against Kavanaugh didnt warrant denying him the seat, although to claim one way or another that Fords accusation was true or not is pure political bias. The biggest issue with Kavanugh is him issuing a threat when he said "what goes around comes around." He did mitigate that threat with his op ed, although I wish his OP ed would have specifically said that he retracts the statement.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 06 2018 01:28 GMT
#16323
On October 06 2018 09:56 Doodsmack wrote:
I could certainly see how someone could conclude in good faith that the allegations against Kavanaugh didnt warrant denying him the seat, although to claim one way or another that Fords accusation was true or not is pure political bias. The biggest issue with Kavanugh is him issuing a threat when he said "what goes around comes around." He did mitigate that threat with his op ed, although I wish his OP ed would have specifically said that he retracts the statement.


My problem is when people like Collins take the view that they both believe Ford and yet still support Kavanaugh. How convenient that they believe everything she said except the whole "I'm 100% confident it was Kavanaugh " part. Its an intellectually dishonest position imo.
BangFlangam
Profile Joined October 2018
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-06 03:12:04
October 06 2018 02:02 GMT
#16324
Pawns in the Game.. great book by the way. This world is controlled by a group of super elites who hide behind closed doors. The balfour declaration proved on the world stage that the global elite in this case the Rothschild family had gone to the Queen, with the offer of getting America involved in the world war through propaganda, for they controlled nearly all the press, only if they were given Palestine, which at the time was under the command of the Queen. The Sinking of the Lusitania was their propaganda weapon and from there on out here we are.

Now, we know this, the majority of Palestine is now Israel. What's this super elite Rothschild banking family have to do in a politics thread involving Trump? It's simple, Donald Trump is according to Benjamin Netanyahu a modern day "Cyrus."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/who-is-king-cyrus-and-why-is-netanyahu-comparing-him-to-trump/

"According to the Bible, Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, was the monarch under whom the Babylonian captivity ended. In the first year of his reign he was prompted by God to decree that the Temple in Jerusalem should be rebuilt and that such Jews as cared to might return to their land for this purpose."

Donald J Trump after his support of Israel in nearly all aspects, recently with the US embassy to Jerusalem and vast support of Israel in their quest against Iran will be protected through a network that no one reading this can really grasp for their end goal is nearly complete. The 3rd temple.







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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
October 06 2018 02:16 GMT
#16325
The post above does get me thinking. How do the white nationalists supporters of Trump square their anti-semitism with his carte blanche support for Likudnik Israel? All these conspiracy theories about Cultural Marxists and whatnot always have banker/Jews as the ultimate villains in the story (Soros is Jewish). But there you have Trump backing Israel to the hilt.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14048 Posts
October 06 2018 02:17 GMT
#16326
Your mistake is trying to find rationality in people who believe in grand Jewish conspiracies.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
October 06 2018 02:47 GMT
#16327
On October 06 2018 11:16 Wulfey_LA wrote:
The post above does get me thinking. How do the white nationalists supporters of Trump square their anti-semitism with his carte blanche support for Likudnik Israel? All these conspiracy theories about Cultural Marxists and whatnot always have banker/Jews as the ultimate villains in the story (Soros is Jewish). But there you have Trump backing Israel to the hilt.


They know it is all real because they are aware that they themselves have also been brainwashed by the grand zionism conspiracy
BangFlangam
Profile Joined October 2018
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-06 03:44:36
October 06 2018 02:58 GMT
#16328
On October 06 2018 11:16 Wulfey_LA wrote:
The post above does get me thinking. How do the white nationalists supporters of Trump square their anti-semitism with his carte blanche support for Likudnik Israel? All these conspiracy theories about Cultural Marxists and whatnot always have banker/Jews as the ultimate villains in the story (Soros is Jewish). But there you have Trump backing Israel to the hilt.


It's pretty deep my friend, look at Kavanaugh, we are told he was raised a Jesuit. How often do we have Jesuits playing both sides, both left and right. Now we are told the "Jesuit church disowns Kavanaugh" when all along we know these circles all work together, answering to someone higher. "All Roads Lead to Rome"

Now if Kavanaugh went to this elite Jesuit school, there is some forgotten texts from the Jesuit order one of them being,
"THE OATH OF SECRECY OF THE JESUITS" in layman terms saying that their ultimate allegiance on Earth at least is to the Pope, not the people, not the president. Some of you have claimed you caught Kavanaugh in some lies, has he ever taken this Jesuit vow? Who knows there's an oath of SECRECY.

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
October 06 2018 03:08 GMT
#16329
On October 06 2018 11:02 BangFlangam wrote:
...the Rothschild family had gone to Winston Churchill with the offer of getting America involved in the world war through propaganda, for they controlled nearly all the press, only if they were given Palestine, which at the time was under the command of the Queen. The Sinking of the Lusitania was their propaganda weapon and from there on out here we are.
...

You are aware the Lusitania was sunk in 1915 and contributed to the United States becoming involved in the First World War, not the Second?
BangFlangam
Profile Joined October 2018
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-06 03:12:45
October 06 2018 03:11 GMT
#16330
On October 06 2018 12:08 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 11:02 BangFlangam wrote:
...the Rothschild family had gone to Winston Churchill with the offer of getting America involved in the world war through propaganda, for they controlled nearly all the press, only if they were given Palestine, which at the time was under the command of the Queen. The Sinking of the Lusitania was their propaganda weapon and from there on out here we are.
...

You are aware the Lusitania was sunk in 1915 and contributed to the United States becoming involved in the First World War, not the Second?


Yeah, sorry I think I meant to put Queen over Churchill, exact names and times were to be placeholders.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43259 Posts
October 06 2018 04:05 GMT
#16331
On October 06 2018 11:58 BangFlangam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 11:16 Wulfey_LA wrote:
The post above does get me thinking. How do the white nationalists supporters of Trump square their anti-semitism with his carte blanche support for Likudnik Israel? All these conspiracy theories about Cultural Marxists and whatnot always have banker/Jews as the ultimate villains in the story (Soros is Jewish). But there you have Trump backing Israel to the hilt.


It's pretty deep my friend, look at Kavanaugh, we are told he was raised a Jesuit. How often do we have Jesuits playing both sides, both left and right. Now we are told the "Jesuit church disowns Kavanaugh" when all along we know these circles all work together, answering to someone higher. "All Roads Lead to Rome"

Now if Kavanaugh went to this elite Jesuit school, there is some forgotten texts from the Jesuit order one of them being,
"THE OATH OF SECRECY OF THE JESUITS" in layman terms saying that their ultimate allegiance on Earth at least is to the Pope, not the people, not the president. Some of you have claimed you caught Kavanaugh in some lies, has he ever taken this Jesuit vow? Who knows there's an oath of SECRECY.


Don’t post this shit again.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
October 06 2018 05:30 GMT
#16332
On October 06 2018 07:29 Ryzel wrote:
Anyone who thinks the Dems are the only ones going to benefit from outrage about this whole thing haven’t been reading responses from people like Nettles/Danglars/Introvert. There are a LOT of people on the right who are livid about what Kavanaugh had to go through, and pretty much everyone is hyping the blue wave. I’m sure turn out is going to be high on both sides.

In addition, Dems still don’t have someone to rally behind. Everyone who likes Trump will vote Trump, everyone who hates Trump...splits their votes among who they think is best to replace him. Until the Dems announce someone that at least 75% of anti-Trumpers can get behind, I would absolutely place my bets on a Trump 2020 win.


There is a lot of polling over the past two weeks indicating a huge chunk of the supposed blue wave is evaporating quickly. A ton of people on the right seemed to get rather radicalized over this Kavanaugh stuff in a way that I think many are not able to quantify exactly at this time. It will be interesting to see if it’s momentum that will carry into November assuming BK gets voted in tomorrow the odds of these radicalized righty’s keeping up their momentum for a full month might lessen significantly, will they revert back to acting like old Lindsey Graham, or will they stay on a warpath? Only time will tell.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-06 05:55:30
October 06 2018 05:43 GMT
#16333
On October 06 2018 09:22 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 06:03 spudde123 wrote:
As perhaps expected, there's already takes on for example the Daily Wire about how Ford should now be investigated and how the entire thing was some sort of a coordinated plot and none of the allegations were genuine to begin with.

Putting aside how the politicians and the media handled it, I have a really hard time imagining women just waiting in line to make up false accusations and perhaps destroy their own lives in the process. Not to mention that looking at Ford's testimony, the first thing that came to mind wasn't exactly that she is an operative making the whole thing up. Would be interesting to know whether the FBI interviews just indicated that there's no evidence of the alleged assault, or if her entire story got somehow discredited.


In fairness, some gentle investigation just to make sure that it is legitimate and NOT a political hit job is worthwhile. Nothing too invasive given the topic, unless it looks fishy.

Just so that both sides can be satisfied.


Well yes you should make sure, I guess especially if the FBI investigation somehow fully discredited Ford and Ramirez. Not sure what the consequences are in general to a person who is found to be making false accusations, but obviously you should take that seriously as well.

Part of my problem is I can't just imagine leaping into these sorts of explanations in my mind from the get go. There can be false accusations by some deranged people which are truly made up, there can be a case of mistaken identity (though I find that to be a very weird explanation of Ford's story given how she named many of Kavanaugh's friends and put one of them even in the room), but I have a very hard time leaping from those to it all being a calculated plot where these women are risking their own reputations to knowingly lie in the service of a political party.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
October 06 2018 07:16 GMT
#16334
On October 06 2018 14:30 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 07:29 Ryzel wrote:
Anyone who thinks the Dems are the only ones going to benefit from outrage about this whole thing haven’t been reading responses from people like Nettles/Danglars/Introvert. There are a LOT of people on the right who are livid about what Kavanaugh had to go through, and pretty much everyone is hyping the blue wave. I’m sure turn out is going to be high on both sides.

In addition, Dems still don’t have someone to rally behind. Everyone who likes Trump will vote Trump, everyone who hates Trump...splits their votes among who they think is best to replace him. Until the Dems announce someone that at least 75% of anti-Trumpers can get behind, I would absolutely place my bets on a Trump 2020 win.


There is a lot of polling over the past two weeks indicating a huge chunk of the supposed blue wave is evaporating quickly. A ton of people on the right seemed to get rather radicalized over this Kavanaugh stuff in a way that I think many are not able to quantify exactly at this time. It will be interesting to see if it’s momentum that will carry into November assuming BK gets voted in tomorrow the odds of these radicalized righty’s keeping up their momentum for a full month might lessen significantly, will they revert back to acting like old Lindsey Graham, or will they stay on a warpath? Only time will tell.


Source?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-06 08:39:51
October 06 2018 08:33 GMT
#16335
On October 06 2018 16:16 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 14:30 LuckyFool wrote:
On October 06 2018 07:29 Ryzel wrote:
Anyone who thinks the Dems are the only ones going to benefit from outrage about this whole thing haven’t been reading responses from people like Nettles/Danglars/Introvert. There are a LOT of people on the right who are livid about what Kavanaugh had to go through, and pretty much everyone is hyping the blue wave. I’m sure turn out is going to be high on both sides.

In addition, Dems still don’t have someone to rally behind. Everyone who likes Trump will vote Trump, everyone who hates Trump...splits their votes among who they think is best to replace him. Until the Dems announce someone that at least 75% of anti-Trumpers can get behind, I would absolutely place my bets on a Trump 2020 win.


There is a lot of polling over the past two weeks indicating a huge chunk of the supposed blue wave is evaporating quickly. A ton of people on the right seemed to get rather radicalized over this Kavanaugh stuff in a way that I think many are not able to quantify exactly at this time. It will be interesting to see if it’s momentum that will carry into November assuming BK gets voted in tomorrow the odds of these radicalized righty’s keeping up their momentum for a full month might lessen significantly, will they revert back to acting like old Lindsey Graham, or will they stay on a warpath? Only time will tell.


Source?


He's probably referring to this NPR article talking about a single poll that's gone from +12 Dems to +6 Dems.

Aggregates generally still show the same really boring trend that's been occurring for like the entire year, however, and Cook Political Report has still been shifting house and governor seats towards the Democrats. The only major change is the Dems senate chances are tanking because of the release of a really bad poll for Heidi Heitkamp.

And everyone saying that she's going to lose and the Dems senate hopes are all but gone are probably correct. She's definitely not going to pull that huge upset win again due to huge demographic changes in North Dakota (younger white oil workers moving into the state).
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-06 11:41:49
October 06 2018 11:40 GMT
#16336
On October 06 2018 11:16 Wulfey_LA wrote:
The post above does get me thinking. How do the white nationalists supporters of Trump square their anti-semitism with his carte blanche support for Likudnik Israel? All these conspiracy theories about Cultural Marxists and whatnot always have banker/Jews as the ultimate villains in the story (Soros is Jewish). But there you have Trump backing Israel to the hilt.

Anti-semites love Israel because it's an ethnostate and they want to use it as a model for their own racist politics. Anti-semitism isn't purely about racism, it's also about these lurid fantasies of secret cabals of elites poisoning good young men and creating a degenerate society. In the past you had the protocols of the elders of zion, today you have Jordan Peterson talking about (((cultural marxism))).

I read an article about nazi philosopher Martin Heidegger a while ago after new "black notebooks" were discovered containing anti-semitic writings.

Nazism constituted, or could constitute, a "new beginning" with respect to all this, a new beginning for culture and politics. The black notebooks are a testament to the almost messianic expectations that inspired the philosopher to join Hitler's party. All this much is true. But it was already known to Heidegger scholars from a section of his 1935 Introduction to Metaphysics and its celebration of the "inner truth and greatness" of nazism.

Modernity is synonymous with subversion, since with its universalist ideologies (liberalism, democracy, communism) it destroys the communitarian and traditional bonds that unite the members of a given people and separates this same people from its territory and history. Inevitably, the critique of modernity ends up also concerning Jews. The black notebooks confirm this: present in many countries and attached to urban rather than rural life, Jews are the incarnation of "rootlessness", "distance from the soil" and thus subversion. And again, this attitude is far from surprising to the Heidegger scholar: the 2 October 1929 letter in which the philosopher emphasises the need to oppose "growing Judaisation within German spiritual life", reinforcing this by rooting it in authentically German forces, is already well-known.


Jewish people are not seen as "authentic". They tend to live in cities, they migrate a lot, they're never fully part of the mainstream communities, they read books and know different languages, they keep to themselves, they look slightly different, they're involved with sinister plots in the financial industry and good Aryan Men are enslaved by their wicked machinations etc.

But Israel is different, it's exactly the type of ethnostate that neo-nazis want. It just happens to have Jewish people living inside it. And mind you, neo-nazis are sufficiently stupid that they will still turn on any of their members if they're discovered to have 2% Jewish blood or whatever.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
October 06 2018 12:10 GMT
#16337
On October 06 2018 20:40 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 11:16 Wulfey_LA wrote:
The post above does get me thinking. How do the white nationalists supporters of Trump square their anti-semitism with his carte blanche support for Likudnik Israel? All these conspiracy theories about Cultural Marxists and whatnot always have banker/Jews as the ultimate villains in the story (Soros is Jewish). But there you have Trump backing Israel to the hilt.

Anti-semites love Israel because it's an ethnostate and they want to use it as a model for their own racist politics. Anti-semitism isn't purely about racism, it's also about these lurid fantasies of secret cabals of elites poisoning good young men and creating a degenerate society. In the past you had the protocols of the elders of zion, today you have Jordan Peterson talking about (((cultural marxism))).

I read an article about nazi philosopher Martin Heidegger a while ago after new "black notebooks" were discovered containing anti-semitic writings.

Show nested quote +
Nazism constituted, or could constitute, a "new beginning" with respect to all this, a new beginning for culture and politics. The black notebooks are a testament to the almost messianic expectations that inspired the philosopher to join Hitler's party. All this much is true. But it was already known to Heidegger scholars from a section of his 1935 Introduction to Metaphysics and its celebration of the "inner truth and greatness" of nazism.

Modernity is synonymous with subversion, since with its universalist ideologies (liberalism, democracy, communism) it destroys the communitarian and traditional bonds that unite the members of a given people and separates this same people from its territory and history. Inevitably, the critique of modernity ends up also concerning Jews. The black notebooks confirm this: present in many countries and attached to urban rather than rural life, Jews are the incarnation of "rootlessness", "distance from the soil" and thus subversion. And again, this attitude is far from surprising to the Heidegger scholar: the 2 October 1929 letter in which the philosopher emphasises the need to oppose "growing Judaisation within German spiritual life", reinforcing this by rooting it in authentically German forces, is already well-known.


Jewish people are not seen as "authentic". They tend to live in cities, they migrate a lot, they're never fully part of the mainstream communities, they read books and know different languages, they keep to themselves, they look slightly different, they're involved with sinister plots in the financial industry and good Aryan Men are enslaved by their wicked machinations etc.

But Israel is different, it's exactly the type of ethnostate that neo-nazis want. It just happens to have Jewish people living inside it. And mind you, neo-nazis are sufficiently stupid that they will still turn on any of their members if they're discovered to have 2% Jewish blood or whatever.

What do you call an ethnostate? They have more than 20% of Arabic citizens. Sure they have this disgusting habit of stealing lands, suffocating an entire population, bombing them for whatever reason but inside their own frontiers they're not that different from many other Western countries.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 06 2018 13:05 GMT
#16338
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12360 Posts
October 06 2018 13:25 GMT
#16339
On October 06 2018 22:05 JimmiC wrote:
The problem here is looking for logic in hate.


Well there is a logic to this, it just starts from incorrect premises. Understanding how the logic works can help us recognize the people from the same movement who have learned to hide their hatred a little better
No will to live, no wish to die
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-06 15:09:14
October 06 2018 15:08 GMT
#16340
On October 06 2018 21:10 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2018 20:40 Grumbels wrote:
On October 06 2018 11:16 Wulfey_LA wrote:
The post above does get me thinking. How do the white nationalists supporters of Trump square their anti-semitism with his carte blanche support for Likudnik Israel? All these conspiracy theories about Cultural Marxists and whatnot always have banker/Jews as the ultimate villains in the story (Soros is Jewish). But there you have Trump backing Israel to the hilt.

Anti-semites love Israel because it's an ethnostate and they want to use it as a model for their own racist politics. Anti-semitism isn't purely about racism, it's also about these lurid fantasies of secret cabals of elites poisoning good young men and creating a degenerate society. In the past you had the protocols of the elders of zion, today you have Jordan Peterson talking about (((cultural marxism))).

I read an article about nazi philosopher Martin Heidegger a while ago after new "black notebooks" were discovered containing anti-semitic writings.

Nazism constituted, or could constitute, a "new beginning" with respect to all this, a new beginning for culture and politics. The black notebooks are a testament to the almost messianic expectations that inspired the philosopher to join Hitler's party. All this much is true. But it was already known to Heidegger scholars from a section of his 1935 Introduction to Metaphysics and its celebration of the "inner truth and greatness" of nazism.

Modernity is synonymous with subversion, since with its universalist ideologies (liberalism, democracy, communism) it destroys the communitarian and traditional bonds that unite the members of a given people and separates this same people from its territory and history. Inevitably, the critique of modernity ends up also concerning Jews. The black notebooks confirm this: present in many countries and attached to urban rather than rural life, Jews are the incarnation of "rootlessness", "distance from the soil" and thus subversion. And again, this attitude is far from surprising to the Heidegger scholar: the 2 October 1929 letter in which the philosopher emphasises the need to oppose "growing Judaisation within German spiritual life", reinforcing this by rooting it in authentically German forces, is already well-known.


Jewish people are not seen as "authentic". They tend to live in cities, they migrate a lot, they're never fully part of the mainstream communities, they read books and know different languages, they keep to themselves, they look slightly different, they're involved with sinister plots in the financial industry and good Aryan Men are enslaved by their wicked machinations etc.

But Israel is different, it's exactly the type of ethnostate that neo-nazis want. It just happens to have Jewish people living inside it. And mind you, neo-nazis are sufficiently stupid that they will still turn on any of their members if they're discovered to have 2% Jewish blood or whatever.

What do you call an ethnostate? They have more than 20% of Arabic citizens. Sure they have this disgusting habit of stealing lands, suffocating an entire population, bombing them for whatever reason but inside their own frontiers they're not that different from many other Western countries.


Israel is in it's declaration defined as a Jewish state.

Sure, their demographics may not reflect it, but considering that the arab population in the area 130 years ago was around 94% then I am not sure you really want to argue that the remaining 20% are really an argument for Israel not behaving like an ethnostate.
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