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On September 29 2018 02:12 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 01:58 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 01:44 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:34 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 01:21 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:19 On_Slaught wrote:
Except you and I both know no interviews are going to happen, so this is an exercise in futility. McConnell has his man and that is all that matters in the end. All this other stuff, despite the real damage it is doing to peoples lives, is white noise to the Republican leadership. Yep and to the democratic leadership, one thing this process has made clear is no side truly cares about getting the right man for the job. They both care about how it affects their party politically. Please cite when they did this? You have said it many times, that the dems are using timing of these to do maximum political damage. Your justification is that the Reps have been doing it for years. I'm not arguing with you, I'm agreeing with you. I just think it is bad and you think it is good. That wasn't my question and has never been my argument. Only Dick Durbin would be considered part of the Democratic Leadership in the senate, though Feinstein might also fit that description simply due to her seniority, but not title. He has not made any overt statements refusing to confirm any of Trump's nominees. Only that the current nominee is bad and the process is a shit show that breaks every single tradition that is normally followed during this process. The senators don't get the pick the nominees or even recommend them. Only confirm or reject the nominee that Trump puts forward. So again, I need a citation where the Democrats refused to confirm anyone Trump put forward. Edit: It appears the Dean of Yale law school is also calling for an FBI investigation before BK is voted on. When did I state that the dems refused to confirm anyone that Trump put forward. I stated that their actions were timed to create the most political damage, not in the best interest of the victims.
The victims came forward with the hopes that BK wouldn't be confirmed and there would be an investigation. Political damage is the only way to change the votes, because this process stopped being about merit a while ago. And political damage is the only way that the FBI investigation takes place.
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On September 29 2018 02:02 JimmiC wrote:The money stuff is so odd. I swear no where else in the world would a born super elite, super wealthy, fame seeking reality star become a hero to the "every man". Like why do factory workers, coal miners and so on think that he is one of them? He is one of the furthest from them. It has something to do with the people thinking that every politician is so corrupt and bought, that only a billionaire would be above that. The only problem is that this billionaire is most interested in making himself as rich as possible.
He played football. He busted his ass off to earn everything he's accomplished. That's relatable.
The kind of people working in factories or coal mines don't really have the exposure to these preppy frat lord type kids to really see the bs they always try to pull.
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On September 29 2018 02:23 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 02:15 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 02:12 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:58 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 01:44 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:34 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 01:21 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:19 On_Slaught wrote:
Except you and I both know no interviews are going to happen, so this is an exercise in futility. McConnell has his man and that is all that matters in the end. All this other stuff, despite the real damage it is doing to peoples lives, is white noise to the Republican leadership. Yep and to the democratic leadership, one thing this process has made clear is no side truly cares about getting the right man for the job. They both care about how it affects their party politically. Please cite when they did this? You have said it many times, that the dems are using timing of these to do maximum political damage. Your justification is that the Reps have been doing it for years. I'm not arguing with you, I'm agreeing with you. I just think it is bad and you think it is good. That wasn't my question and has never been my argument. Only Dick Durbin would be considered part of the Democratic Leadership in the senate, though Feinstein might also fit that description simply due to her seniority, but not title. He has not made any overt statements refusing to confirm any of Trump's nominees. Only that the current nominee is bad and the process is a shit show that breaks every single tradition that is normally followed during this process. The senators don't get the pick the nominees or even recommend them. Only confirm or reject the nominee that Trump puts forward. So again, I need a citation where the Democrats refused to confirm anyone Trump put forward. Edit: It appears the Dean of Yale law school is also calling for an FBI investigation before BK is voted on. When did I state that the dems refused to confirm anyone that Trump put forward. I stated that their actions were timed to create the most political damage, not in the best interest of the victims. The victims came forward with the hopes that BK wouldn't be confirmed and there would be an investigation. Political damage is the only way to change the votes, because this process stopped being about merit a while ago. And political damage is the only way that the FBI investigation takes place. Maybe, but I like I said the people who had the info when they did could have moved heaven and earth to find that smoking gun, in a effort to save Ford from this shit show. They didn't. In fact they forced her hand with the leak. I'm not saying going to play in the mud was the wrong move, I'm saying don't pretend that you are clean of the dirt.
She wanted to remain anonymous and the senator respected that. Is the senator supposed to go against the express wishes of the Ford?
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On September 29 2018 01:56 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 01:43 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:32 Excludos wrote:On September 29 2018 01:21 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:19 On_Slaught wrote:
Except you and I both know no interviews are going to happen, so this is an exercise in futility. McConnell has his man and that is all that matters in the end. All this other stuff, despite the real damage it is doing to peoples lives, is white noise to the Republican leadership. Yep and to the democratic leadership, one thing this process has made clear is no side truly cares about getting the right man for the job. They both care about how it affects their party politically. And what, pray tell, gives you that idea? This "both sides" fallacy is getting increasingly frustrating and dangerous. If you're unable to see just have much worse one side is than the other (and it is, much much worse), then you end up with situations like 2016 where no one votes. It is not that both sides are equally bad, at no point did I say that. Just that both sides are bad. To me the far right are worse then the far left. But it is not a battle of good vs evil. It is a battle of evil and not quite as evil. And while people are grabbing their popcorn and enjoying the show. Big money is controlling what happens in the government. There is no real "far left" in US politics. "Liberal" parties are generally around the political centre, but in the abnormal political landscape in the US, it looks different. There are parties abroad fighting for higher taxes and more social benefits than Americans can comprehend, and they are generally the opposite of liberal! The money 2-party and money in politics do corrupt the Democrats too, ofc. The most obvious example was probably the super fast turnaround regarding the bailout plan after the sub-prime crisis.
TARP? US handled the crisis correctly. Bash ECB and austerity madness.
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On September 29 2018 02:13 On_Slaught wrote:
Heads up to all you peeps with Facebook. Breaking news per BBC: over 50million Facebook accounts were "attacked" and around 90million accounts will have to "take action."
news also came out that they use the phone number for 2 factor authentication to target you with ads
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On September 29 2018 02:39 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 02:13 On_Slaught wrote:
Heads up to all you peeps with Facebook. Breaking news per BBC: over 50million Facebook accounts were "attacked" and around 90million accounts will have to "take action." news also came out that they use the phone number for 2 factor authentication to target you with ads
People thought I was paranoid for not wanting to give Facebook my phone number to make my account "safer".
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On September 29 2018 02:34 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 02:28 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 02:23 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 02:15 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 02:12 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:58 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 01:44 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:34 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2018 01:21 JimmiC wrote:On September 29 2018 01:19 On_Slaught wrote:
Except you and I both know no interviews are going to happen, so this is an exercise in futility. McConnell has his man and that is all that matters in the end. All this other stuff, despite the real damage it is doing to peoples lives, is white noise to the Republican leadership. Yep and to the democratic leadership, one thing this process has made clear is no side truly cares about getting the right man for the job. They both care about how it affects their party politically. Please cite when they did this? You have said it many times, that the dems are using timing of these to do maximum political damage. Your justification is that the Reps have been doing it for years. I'm not arguing with you, I'm agreeing with you. I just think it is bad and you think it is good. That wasn't my question and has never been my argument. Only Dick Durbin would be considered part of the Democratic Leadership in the senate, though Feinstein might also fit that description simply due to her seniority, but not title. He has not made any overt statements refusing to confirm any of Trump's nominees. Only that the current nominee is bad and the process is a shit show that breaks every single tradition that is normally followed during this process. The senators don't get the pick the nominees or even recommend them. Only confirm or reject the nominee that Trump puts forward. So again, I need a citation where the Democrats refused to confirm anyone Trump put forward. Edit: It appears the Dean of Yale law school is also calling for an FBI investigation before BK is voted on. When did I state that the dems refused to confirm anyone that Trump put forward. I stated that their actions were timed to create the most political damage, not in the best interest of the victims. The victims came forward with the hopes that BK wouldn't be confirmed and there would be an investigation. Political damage is the only way to change the votes, because this process stopped being about merit a while ago. And political damage is the only way that the FBI investigation takes place. Maybe, but I like I said the people who had the info when they did could have moved heaven and earth to find that smoking gun, in a effort to save Ford from this shit show. They didn't. In fact they forced her hand with the leak. I'm not saying going to play in the mud was the wrong move, I'm saying don't pretend that you are clean of the dirt. She wanted to remain anonymous and the senator respected that. Is the senator supposed to go against the express wishes of the Ford? You are taking me down a rabbit hole I don't want to go down with you. Was it a Rep who leaked it? Was the senators hands tied in launching a private investigation into this incident or others? It is odd to me that you have such a blind spot when it comes to the Dem's, they are not perfect. Again, this is not a battle of good verses evil. But both sides (I know saying that upsets everyone, sorry but its true) believe it is. Edit: over here most of us have a party that we support. But that doesn't mean that we agree with everything that party does. Some things we may prefer about the other party and that is ok.
You will have to ask the reporter who found out about the letter. They are not going to reveal their source. I’m 100% sure Feinstein doesn’t open her own mail, so it could have been one of her staff or anyone who got their hands on that letter. And they could have leaked it independent of her wishes.
Senators cannot conduct investigations using government resources for no reason. They have to justify it to someone. The entire judiciary committee has about 20 staff for investigations. That is it.
And I don’t have a blind spot for the Dems. I just have a better understanding of the powers a single senator can do and totally cannot do. I also have a better understanding of just how powerless the minority party is in this current environment because I studied government. And I don’t frame this in good vs evil. There is one party actively trying to screw me over and the less than great Democrats. There isn’t much of a choice.
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On September 29 2018 02:45 chocorush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2018 02:39 CorsairHero wrote:On September 29 2018 02:13 On_Slaught wrote:
Heads up to all you peeps with Facebook. Breaking news per BBC: over 50million Facebook accounts were "attacked" and around 90million accounts will have to "take action." news also came out that they use the phone number for 2 factor authentication to target you with ads People thought I was paranoid for not wanting to give Facebook my phone number to make my account "safer".
2FA absolutely makes your accounts safer your quotes are unnecessary, having your phone number taken & misused is mostly a separate issue. The only real overlap is Facebook mandating a phone number for 2FA rather than allowing for options that don't use a phone #.
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Flake is giving a speech before the vote... one sec this is confusing. He met with Coons and Collins in a back room.
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It sounds like the Democrats, Coons and Collins were all pushing for a 1 week delay to allow for an investigation. Flake is pushing for it and Grassley is snapping at reporters.
Edit: Grassley is pushing for them to vote, even with Flake's request. He is also very grumpy.
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democrats are trying to save face and flake is aiding them. But he voted yes?
I don't understand what is going on.
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This was probably the best the dems were every going to get. I am impressed the dems got this
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What the fuck are they voting on? Flake just said he wants a 1 week delay yet they just voted to move Kavanaugh on to the floor? Who knows what the hell is happening?
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2FA doesn't make my facebook account safer by any amount that makes a difference. I don't reuse passwords, and you can't reasonably brute-force a web-based login. The risk of a company like facebook misusing your personal information is far more realistic than the risk of your account being hacked.
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On September 29 2018 02:55 GoTuNk! wrote:
democrats are trying to save face and flake is aiding them. But he voted yes?
I don't understand what is going on.
That much is clear. Democats are going to vote "no" and want an investigation. Flake also wants an investigation and is telling the chairman that Republicans in the senate want the investigation.
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If my understanding is correct, even if Flake votes no in this hearing, a full senate vote can still happen?
e: oh he still voted yes here
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