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farvacola
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JimmiC
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 26 2018 23:02 farvacola wrote: It's looking more and more likely that the second accuser will testify at the Thursday hearing, so the odds of it being a shitshow keep going up. If Avenatti's supposed "100%" accuser ends up joining the fray, I think McConnell cancels the vote. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 26 2018 23:02 farvacola wrote: It's looking more and more likely that the second accuser will testify at the Thursday hearing, so the odds of it being a shitshow keep going up. What makes you say that? From what I've seen the SJC is refusing to meet with her or her lawyers despite their overtures. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On September 26 2018 23:08 ticklishmusic wrote: What makes you say that? From what I've seen the SJC is refusing to meet with her or her lawyers despite their overtures. The article I was reading that suggested she would testify was just pulled, so you may be right. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This is why an investigation was requested. The senate isn’t a court of law or fact finding body. There are rules for investigating, rules for courts that put guidelines on how information can be presented. The Senate has none of these. There is no right to have your attorney jump in and tell the person asking the question to back off. The SJC have found a female prosecutor to basically cross examine Ford, which is exactly what Ford’s attorney said she wouldn’t agree to. Meanwhile Kavanaugh is out there like day old fish in the sun and the public is really starting to notice he stinks. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 26 2018 23:04 Mohdoo wrote: If Avenatti's supposed "100%" accuser ends up joining the fray, I think McConnell cancels the vote. Avenatti has named his client and submitted an affidavit to the committee. We'll see how this goes. She alleges roofies, gang rapes and trains. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 26 2018 23:57 Doodsmack wrote: Avenatti has named his client and submitted an affidavit to the committee. We'll see how this goes. She alleges roofies, gang rapes and trains. On Kavanaugh specifically? Also, in HS or college? I've heard about Judge being affiliated with that stuff but not Kavanaugh (only through association). That accusation definitely is a direct assault on Kavanaughs claims of being a good, celibate, boy. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
What's interesting is that red-state Democratic Senators have continued to be very quiet on the allegations. Manchin is out just hoping for a "fair, open and civil hearing" and that the allegations haven't made him any less likely to vote against Kavanaugh than he was two weeks ago. Heitkamp declined to discuss the allegations. Donnelly hasn't talked to the press about it, but his chief of staff noted that Kavanaugh has support within the state. (Politico) It's already a rallying cry for conservatives who say the delay tactics and uncorroborated smears make the proceedings a big joke. This could be a deciding issue for the vulnerable seats in the Senate. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Btw her name is Julie Swetnick. She works for the federal gov and has a pretty distinguished work history/a bunch of clearances. Another credible witness. Source: Edit: oh wow I missed the 3rd page. She straight up says she was aware of Kavanaugh spiking drinks, getting in on trains on drugged girls, and was herself raped with them present after being drugged, which she told people about at the time. This could be the death knell for Kavanaughs whole carreer. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And the claims that Ramirez refused to provide “evidence” is a bit silly, but typical of those who want to discredit the accuser. If the Republicans on the committee cared, they could have staff or investigators just go out and interview all the classmates reporters have been talking to who do not dispute Ramirez’s claim. But for some reason Ramirez is required to conduct depositions of the fellow class mates or some something. Just think if the senate did this with anything else? Seriously, they did a full investigation of the IRS based on the slightest hint that they might be targeting conservative groups. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 27 2018 00:23 JimmiC wrote: This just took a much much darker turn. If more people confirm any of this, yikes. That is serious serious shit. So now we've got three different women who are staking their lives/ careers on these accusations. I'm kind of inclined to believe them over the assumption that this is some sort of leftwing conspiracy/ hitjob. These are by far the most severe allegations, too. I'll bet the hearing tomorrow is gonna be canceled. There has to be a FBI investigation at a minimum, assuming this nomination even keeps going. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 27 2018 00:29 Plansix wrote: I’m pretty sure they are going to cancel that hearing for tomorrow. You almost have to dont you? These are super serious claims, above and beyond even what Ford and Ramirez said. Plus Avenatti will make sure it gets the public attention it deserves. | ||
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JimmiC
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On September 27 2018 00:06 Danglars wrote: Senate Judiciary staff are being reported to say they've asked Ramirez, through her lawyers, to provide a statement or any corroborating evidence to the committee five times now. Every time she's declined. What's interesting is that red-state Democratic Senators have continued to be very quiet on the allegations. Manchin is out just hoping for a "fair, open and civil hearing" and that the allegations haven't made him any less likely to vote against Kavanaugh than he was two weeks ago. Heitkamp declined to discuss the allegations. Donnelly hasn't talked to the press about it, but his chief of staff noted that Kavanaugh has support within the state. (Politico) It's already a rallying cry for conservatives who say the delay tactics and uncorroborated smears make the proceedings a big joke. This could be a deciding issue for the vulnerable seats in the Senate. In which direction, though? By the sources Plansix has linked, it seems to be finding a bit of traction in the public sphere. So far this reeks of Roy Moore; wagon circle to the end... until you don't anymore. Is it so unthinkable to just find a nominee who doesn't have allegations of sexual assault against them? At this point, surely you agree if they slam through the nomination it'd be horrible optics, yes? | ||
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Plansix
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