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If it ends up being his word against the accusers then I think he will get through. | ||
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On September 26 2018 06:02 Plansix wrote: The senators asking for an investigation just want a set of basic fact that everyone can agree on, rather than getting all their information from news reports and a "he said, she said" hearing. Dont worry. I'm sure this calendar I keep hearing hyped up will be all the evidence Kavanaugh needs. | ||
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On September 26 2018 04:20 Plansix wrote: He is an reasonably skilled attorney and federal judge, so it is pretty much a give in that he wouldn’t give up the “Yo, I be a sexual predator” vibe during an interview. But you are right that he is banking on appearing trustworthy, rather than having some sort of investigation to determine some basic facts. Oddly enough I think if he gave off more of the frat boy attitude that he appears to actually have had, or at least cop to it, then he'd be in a better position. The accusations seem more credible simply because he's trying to play off a squeaky clean image (virgin, always been upstanding, etc.) that's consistently undermined by things like his yearbook or former associates. So no matter what he's been lying in his response to this accusation and if he's already lying you may as well assume his denial is a lie as well. If he painted a more accurate picture of his younger self you'd probably still believe the accusations if so inclined, but at least he'd seem truthful in his statements and you'd have a more of he said - she said situation. At this point even if the accusations are proven false, he's still almost certainly lying through his teeth which should be enough to discredit him. | ||
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The Democrats should just ask questions anyways and ignore the existence of the attorney they had no hand in hiring. | ||
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On September 26 2018 03:10 farvacola wrote: He's definitely not a distinguished legal writer and as we're beginning to see, he likely got where he did because his politics matched up with those who paved the path for him. Many FedSoc "wonks" are shown to be incredibly out of their depth when prompted to engage with anything beyond their canned speaking points. This is why judges like Posner or Karen Moore are so deserving of praise; political viewpoint notwithstanding, they plainly show why they are respected with their words, both spoken and written. To further emphasize the point, look up pretty much any of recently appointed FedSoc darling Judge Ho's opinions out of the Fifth Circuit. Dude writes like a Fox and Friends stenographer. I was referring more to his incredibly unconvincing defense of his character, ranging from "here are 65 women I did not sexually assault" to "I have a calendar that tracks everything I did but i don't recall going to a party" and "I didn't get laid till after college, oral and written boasts to the contrary". But yes, the Federalist Society and other similar orgs do tend to push people who "look" the part or have the pedigree. Look at noted policy wonk Paul Ryan, who is so fiscally conservative he sleeps in his office while adding a trillion dollars to the deficit. Also Gorsuch, while a rather less controversial nominee, did get ridiculed for his overly pedantic and rhetorically ponderous opinions. I got the feeling he was typing with one hand while jerking himself off with the other. Either that, or his secret wish is to be a Shakespearean actor. | ||
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Edit: err let me be clear.. it is a vote in the committee. Flake's vote is the one that matters there not Murkowski's. They want to make it so they can confirm him next week. | ||
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On September 26 2018 07:43 On_Slaught wrote: It looks like they are officially scheduling a vote on Kavanaugh for this Friday. Farcetastic. I hope they go to a vote and lose rather than just not holding it. Murkowski has said she specifically wants an FBI investigation. If she is on the record saying that it seems there is a high chance she is a no given there will not be one. Edit: err let me be clear.. it is a vote in the committee. Flake's vote is the one that matters there not Murkowski's. They want to make it so they can confirm him next week. They care so much about what she has to say that they scheduled a vote right after so its clear in their heads when they are voting! That is some compassion ! | ||
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GoTuNk!
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On September 26 2018 08:58 Doodsmack wrote: Strange that they scheduled the vote for so soon after. Its not like they are fooling anybody into thinking they care whether the allegations are true. Might as well have some spine and not hold the hearing in that case. Neither party cares. If democrats cared, they would have brought it 6 weeks ago before the infinite written and presencial hearings with him, instead of the last moment possible. All they care is about stalling and it's pretty fucking transparent. Republicans have no other option than hear and hold the vote, it has to be done before the midterms for more than obvious reasons. Also, honestly, if the worse this guy did was what that woman alleges 35 YEARS AGO AS A MINOR DRUNK, he is a saint compared to pretty much every senator in there. I find it hard to believe that "virgin Bret" was assaulting woman many years before his first time, unless I can see some sort of actual evidence. | ||
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On September 26 2018 03:19 farvacola wrote: Avenatti may be a blustery slimebag of a fellow, but he's quite savvy and adept at navigating today's shitshow of a mediascape. Whether he actually delivers on his many promises remains to be seen lol, but the man is a better salesman than most talking heads and public figures out there. If the democrats flop on mid terms, Avenatti is my presidential candidate. Debates with Trump will be beyond hilarious. | ||
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On September 26 2018 09:31 GoTuNk! wrote: How many democrats knew about the accusations 6 weeks ago? There are quite a lot of democrats who did not know then and do know know and care. There are also non-democrats who care.Neither party cares. If democrats cared, they would have brought it 6 weeks ago before the infinite written and presencial hearings with him, instead of the last moment possible. All they care is about stalling and it's pretty fucking transparent. Who is they? You seem to be assuming there is some coordinated effort on the part of the Democrats and while, there may be some level of coordination, I doubt it is anywhere near as much as you are implying.Republicans have no other option than hear and hold the vote The concern isn't that the Republican leadership plans to hold the vote at some point after the hearing, it's that they have already announced their intention to hold the vote one day after the hearing. If the vote can be scheduled for three days from now, it could also be entered on to the schedule immediately after the hearing (presuming the hearing turns up nothing) for three days later (such as Monday or Tuesday).it has to be done before the midterms for more than obvious reasons. It only has to be done before the midterms if you assume that Kavanaugh should be confirmed, without complete information on whether he should be or not. I'm also not convinced it has to be before the midterms. Also, honestly, if the worse this guy did was what that woman alleges 35 YEARS AGO AS A MINOR DRUNK, he is a saint compared to pretty much every senator in there. I know this has already been discussed in this thread, but sexual assault, even 35 years ago, should be disqualifying for SCOTUS. Maybe not for all government jobs, but certainly that one. I also have no idea what you mean by 'as a minor drunk.' Also, if most/all of the Senators really are as dirty as you claim, then it's all the more reason why we need an untainted SCOTUS to keep them in check, not more of the same. | ||
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