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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 12 2018 17:27 GMT
#13741
Remember all those past presidents who's children appeared on TV talk shows to defend their parents?
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9639 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 17:48:39
September 12 2018 17:27 GMT
#13742
imo woodwards religion/heritage doesn’t really change how racist it is. if i were going to accuse you of jewing people out of their money, whether you’re jewish or not really doesn’t matter. certainly nothing i haven’t heard before, but something i usually think people running the country shouldn’t so proudly brandish. just another day at the whitehouse, figuratively speaking.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
September 12 2018 18:08 GMT
#13743
The only times I've ever seen shekels used beyond biblical history or the context of Israeli commerce has been for jokes about how Jews only want to "make shekels". There's far more commonly used words in the American lexicon to describe "a quick buck", like a buck or dollar, rather than shekel. I could somewhat understand the monkey thing by that Florida candidate who could have been crossing his phrases around, but shekel? I'm really curious why Eric would use shekel over any other word that I hear far more often to describe money.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28778 Posts
September 12 2018 18:13 GMT
#13744
I think they just want people to discuss the use of the word shekel instead of how horribly they handled puerto rico.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 12 2018 18:13 GMT
#13745
They are from Queens in the real estate and finance industries. On the other hand, I don't know too much about Eric Trump specifically, so maybe he does harbor antisemitic sentiments.
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 12 2018 18:14 GMT
#13746
On September 13 2018 03:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
The only times I've ever seen shekels used beyond biblical history or the context of Israeli commerce has been for jokes about how Jews only want to "make shekels". There's far more commonly used words in the American lexicon to describe "a quick buck", like a buck or dollar, rather than shekel. I could somewhat understand the monkey thing by that Florida candidate who could have been crossing his phrases around, but shekel? I'm really curious why Eric would use shekel over any other word that I hear far more often to describe money.


Well you know why someone says shekels, we all know why.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 12 2018 18:17 GMT
#13747
I know folks from Queens, they would use the word shekel if they wanted to sound like an anti-Semitic asshole. I’m sure the same holds true for Eric Trump.
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Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States546 Posts
September 12 2018 18:23 GMT
#13748
Eh, at this point it seems like it’ll be a new trend for Republicans in politics to drop trigger words for the ratings. Who knows what they’re actual views are anymore (except for Steve Miller).
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 12 2018 18:29 GMT
#13749
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 18:36:13
September 12 2018 18:35 GMT
#13750
On September 13 2018 03:23 Ryzel wrote:
Eh, at this point it seems like it’ll be a new trend for Republicans in politics to drop trigger words for the ratings. Who knows what they’re actual views are anymore (except for Steve Miller).


Unsurprising given one of the central conservative agendas recently is triggering/upsetting the libs.

A lot of dogs barking these days.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 12 2018 18:50 GMT
#13751
On September 13 2018 03:13 Danglars wrote:
They are from Queens in the real estate and finance industries.


Not so sure this would help the case that it wasn't anti-Semitic. He's around Jews a lot, and he thinks they're out to make money, so he says shekels to connote Jews. Somehow I doubt all those Jews in the New York finance and real estate industries talk about shekels.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45365 Posts
September 12 2018 18:51 GMT
#13752
On September 13 2018 02:07 Doodsmack wrote:
Interesting choice of words from Eric trump here. Apparently Woodward isn't Jewish, which would cement the case that this is antisemitic. As it stands he merely used the Israeli currency to say someone was looking to make money. Trump supporters will likely say "shekels is a word in the dictionary with valid meanings, therefore this wasn't a dog whistle." The other possibility is that the apple hasn't fallen far from Donald "Sheriffs Star / Sneaky Dianne Feinstein" Trump's tree.



Clearly he said Shaquille, not shekel. Everyone wants one nowadays; the Orlando Magic used to have a great one. Makes sense to me.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
September 12 2018 18:52 GMT
#13753
If the aim was to foment language wars with deniability, create convenient distractions, and paint one side as overreacting ninnies who can't comprehend the idea of people making gestures and words that meant no harm but coincidentally were dog whistles, it's definitely got some effectiveness.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
September 12 2018 18:58 GMT
#13754
Dunno about US but here in Poland we sometimes say "shekels" without any connection to jewish people just as a slang word for money. We use all kind of slang words for money and out of those shakel can be used both in deragatory sense towards Jewish people or just as a slang funny word. Is it similiar in US or not really?
Pathetic Greta hater.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
September 12 2018 19:01 GMT
#13755
"Monkey" is somewhat, slightly, perhaps, a little ambiguous. Shekel is the most blatant thing ever. People defending that are insane.

When was the last time any of you heard the word shekel used?
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 19:07:37
September 12 2018 19:07 GMT
#13756
Well, last month a friend of mine when asking me to borrow him some change he said "I dont have any shekels on me, can You lend me some?". But thats Poland so not really relevant
Pathetic Greta hater.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 12 2018 19:07 GMT
#13757
On September 13 2018 03:58 Silvanel wrote:
Dunno about US but here in Poland we sometimes say "shekels" without any connection to jewish people just as a slang word for money. We use all kind of slang words for money and out of those shakel can be used both in deragatory sense towards Jewish people or just as a slang funny word. Is it similiar in US or not really?

We have a hundred different slang words for money that people would use before shekel. Shekel is so far out of the common vernacular that any usage of it would be construed as anti-Semitic. It isn’t a term someone just drops randomly.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
September 12 2018 19:31 GMT
#13758
On September 13 2018 04:01 Mohdoo wrote:
"Monkey" is somewhat, slightly, perhaps, a little ambiguous. Shekel is the most blatant thing ever. People defending that are insane.

When was the last time any of you heard the word shekel used?


Never.

Absolutely never.

Anyone trying to play the deniability game is completely full of shit.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 12 2018 20:34 GMT
#13759
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4921 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 20:51:01
September 12 2018 20:40 GMT
#13760
I've heard it a number of times, but it's not the most common choice. I'm amused how Woodward not being Jewish makes it clearly anti-Semitic, because if he was Jewish we'd hear the exact same thing about how blatant it is.

edit: just for clarity I dont know if he was being anti-Semitic or not, this is certainly much more up in the air than our last dog whistle outing.
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