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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 07 2018 04:32 Plansix wrote: He also lied to Collins face about Roe being settled law. We will have to see if Collins grows a spine or if the dark money is just to strong. The exchange with Sasse basically highlighted that he thinks its ok to overturn precedence in some cases. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 07 2018 04:32 Plansix wrote: He also lied to Collins face about Roe being settled law. We will have to see if Collins grows a spine or if the dark money is just to strong. Both Feinstein's and Leahy's twitter feeds have said they are aware of a blatant lie from Kavanaugh regarding his Pryor testimony under oath. Why aren't they making a big deal out of this? Every single Dem should stop asking questions until they get an explanation from Kavanaugh. What the fuck are they doing? Is this really just going to be ignored? Bookers stupid antics are a distraction from this which actually has the potential of being a turning point. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 07 2018 04:38 ticklishmusic wrote: The exchange with Sasse basically highlighted that he thinks its ok to overturn precedence in some cases. If no one ever overturned precedence, Brown v. Board of Education wouldn’t be a ruling. The court overturned two decades old rulings last term, precedence be damned. They overturned the voters rights act. Textualists don't give a shit about precedence, they just use it as political cover. Anyone who leans on precedence as a reason why this guy won’t gut a bunch of landmark rulings is pretty damn naïve. So Collins might that person. On September 07 2018 04:45 On_Slaught wrote: Both Feinstein's and Leahy's twitter feeds have said they are aware of a blatant lie from Kavanaugh regarding his Pryor testimony under oath. Why aren't they making a big deal out of this? Every single Dem should stop asking questions until they get an explanation from Kavanaugh. What the fuck are they doing? Is this really just going to be ignored? Bookers stupid antics are a distraction from this which actually has the potential of being a turning point. My guy, he is going to get confirmed. The man is a sure thing. We lost this one back in 2016 and this is what losing looks like. Its over. Today is about showing people that it doesn’t matter how hard the Democrats throw down, they just don’t have the votes. But that they are still willing to throw down anyways. This is setting the table for 2018 and beyond. Breaking the norms that have held the Democrats back and getting in the feckless(love that word) Republicans faces about their bullshit. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11828 Posts
Or is anyone important immune from the law in the US? | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On September 07 2018 05:00 Simberto wrote: So, i know that the president is immune from prosecution. Is the same true of judges? Because with all of this perjury stuff about, and perjury being an actual real crime, what happens if a prosecutor accuses a supreme court judge of a crime? Or is anyone important immune from the law in the US? I don't believe your first statement is accurate, unless I am getting lost in a technicality, to impeach a president is the act of formally accusing him of a crime, so I don't see why prosecution wouldn't be able to follow that | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On September 07 2018 05:02 Aveng3r wrote: I don't believe your first statement is accurate, unless I am getting lost in a technicality, to impeach a president is the act of formally accusing him of a crime, so I don't see why prosecution wouldn't be able to follow that Well, I think he is kinda correct. A sitting president must be removed from office before he can be prosecuted . Impeachment is NOT the act of accusing a person of a crime. You can impeach for any reason if the will is there, it is 100% political. If you had a 100% dem house and senate they could impeach trump for the two scoops thing if they REALLY wanted to. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On September 07 2018 05:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think he was asking about a Supreme Court Judge specifically, not the President. As far as I know you do not have to impeach a SC to get them for crimes. Nobody is immune except the president | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 07 2018 04:45 Plansix wrote: If no one ever overturned precedence, Brown v. Board of Education wouldn’t be a ruling. The court overturned two decades old rulings last term, precedence be damned. They overturned the voters rights act. Textualists don't give a shit about precedence, they just use it as political cover. Anyone who leans on precedence as a reason why this guy won’t gut a bunch of landmark rulings is pretty damn naïve. So Collins might that person. For sure. It's just that he probably thinks that Roe v Wade and a bevy of other cases were mistakes like Plessy v Ferguson, which make stare decisis a thing of convenience. He's basically talking out both sides of his mouth. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
So standing rule on the DOJ is that a president can be charged with a crime, mostly because there isn’t clear venue that would have the power to force the Executive branch to do anything. That is why congress needs to remove the president, then charges are brought. The court system is completely different. I don’t know about recalling judges, but it can be done. Judges do not have immunity, even in the Supreme Court(as far as I know). But again, any lower court would want them removed from the bench before the court pushed any criminal charges to trial. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 06 2018 22:18 JimmiC wrote: I thought it was interesting that you can actually bet on who you think wrote that op-ed. If there was an other option I'd pick it but here are the odds from odds shark. OddsShark ✔ @OddsShark Who will be revealed as the writer of the anonymous @nytimes Op-Ed essay? Mike Pence -150 Betsy DeVos +200 Mike Pompeo +400 Steven Mnuchin +400 Jim Mattis +500 Jeff Sessions +500 Ivanka Trump 12/1 Jared Kushner 12/1 Stephen Miller 15/1 On yeah, returning to this: does anybody think it's possibly Melania with the help of her aids? That would be the most salacious of all. Maybe she wants more grounds for divorce lol. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28796 Posts
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 07 2018 05:40 farvacola wrote: Yeah she shouldn't even be a candidate, she's a true believer. Not in Trump she isnt. I agree it isnt her but it's pretty clear she despises him. The author of the paper is pro Trumps agenda but anti Trump himself. Probably describes most of the White house staff. | ||
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Introvert
United States4951 Posts
Anyway, here is by far the best clown story of this clown show today, or even yesterday: When Booker claimed he was risking so much by releasing documents not allowed to be released, it appears to have just been theater. The documents were cleared with plenty of time for them to know. A politico reporter is reporting that: R emember when we all agreed that Booker is a shameless stuntman? We should remember that, because right now is a preview of 2020 dem primary. We are, however, missing Gillibrand so were stuck on level 12 hysterics instead of 13. I think the fact he felt the need to do this undermines the importance of what was released as well. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 07 2018 05:57 Introvert wrote: Now is one of those times my schedule makes me sad, this thread looks like so much these past few days! Anyway, here is by far the best clown story of this clown show today, or even yesterday: https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1037751510556454912 Remember when we all agreed that Booker is a shameless stuntman? We should remember that, because right now is a preview of 2020 dem primary. We are, however, missing Gillibrand so were stuck on level 12 hysterics instead of 13. So why did Cornyn and the rest spend half an hour making a huge deal about it then. | ||
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Introvert
United States4951 Posts
On September 07 2018 05:58 ticklishmusic wrote: So why did Cornyn and the rest spend half an hour making a huge deal about it then. Presumably they took Booker at his word and had no information of their own. They wont do that again. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 07 2018 05:57 Introvert wrote: Now is one of those times my schedule makes me sad, this thread looks like so much these past few days! Anyway, here is by far the best clown story of this clown show today, or even yesterday: https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1037751510556454912 https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1037758798335827969 R emember when we all agreed that Booker is a shameless stuntman? We should remember that, because right now is a preview of 2020 dem primary. We are, however, missing Gillibrand so were stuck on level 12 hysterics instead of 13. I think the fact he felt the need to do this undermines the importance of what was released as well. I think everybody will privately admit that. The man must have some big ambitions to try and play himself up into a #resistance role. The combination of Booker, Harris, and Klobuchar was pretty hysterical as a final product. I’d say it’s around 13 combined, but each individual effort no more than 11. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 07 2018 06:01 Introvert wrote: Presumably they took Booker at his word and had no information of their own. They wont do that again. So in other words, the Republicans got played hard by Booker after he called their bluff on withholding documents they knew were relevant? The Republicans lied and dunked on today before of it? Let’s not beat around the bush, Republicans ditched the standard bipartisan agreement on documents that will be released and decided cherry pick which documents they wanted withheld. The Democrats objected and finally decided they were going to dump documents and force the Republicans to try, and fail to remove Booker and others from the Senate. Republicans knew their bluff was called and caved early this morning. But Booker decided to make them look like real fools and publicly call them on their bullshit, upstaging them in the political theater game. Man it really sucks that the Democrats have stopped playing by the rules the Republicans haven’t been playing by for years. And forget the theatrics, the Republicans tried to withhold documents from the public showing our boy Brett might have lied under oath and flat our lied to Susan Collins. Lets forget the Booker and the Democrats were right to demand those documents be released. On September 07 2018 05:58 ticklishmusic wrote: So why did Cornyn and the rest spend half an hour making a huge deal about it then. Cornyn lied when he said the documents were relevant, maybe he is full of shit about this too. Maybe they released them to Booker and others, but didn’t want them released to the public. Also who clears docs at 4 am? And if they cleared them at 10 am, that was after the hearing started. This is them doing damage control once their bluff got called. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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