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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-26 16:32:55
August 26 2018 16:30 GMT
#12941
On August 26 2018 20:49 Grumbels wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Beschizza/status/1033519881268940806

This is how NBC brought the news, speaking of respect to the dead.


Well, someone's getting fired. That was just dreadful blocking.

And yes, that bit where he talks about Obama is just... sad, honestly. To see how far things have degraded in the last ten years. I can see why Conservatives in America would mourn him.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 26 2018 18:51 GMT
#12942
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.
Life?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 26 2018 22:07 GMT
#12943
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
August 26 2018 22:37 GMT
#12944
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
August 26 2018 23:26 GMT
#12945
On August 27 2018 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.

Can you imagine how many keyboards some gamers would break if they could shoot them instead of having to smash them?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
August 26 2018 23:34 GMT
#12946
On August 27 2018 08:26 Kyadytim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.

Can you imagine how many keyboards some gamers would break if they could shoot them instead of having to smash them?


Honestly, I'm expecting some people to repeat the old "playing video games causes violent behavior" mantra because of the occasional tragedy like this, not realizing that any sort of consistency in that logic would mean that dancing to club music, praying in church, and going to school must also cause people to get itchy trigger fingers.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
August 27 2018 00:49 GMT
#12947
On August 27 2018 08:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 08:26 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.

Can you imagine how many keyboards some gamers would break if they could shoot them instead of having to smash them?


Honestly, I'm expecting some people to repeat the old "playing video games causes violent behavior" mantra because of the occasional tragedy like this, not realizing that any sort of consistency in that logic would mean that dancing to club music, praying in church, and going to school must also cause people to get itchy trigger fingers.

The game they were playing was Madden '19. Football is sacred and above reproach in America, and that aegis extends to football video games, so I'm not going to be surprised if there is absolutely no "video games cause violence" bullshit this time around.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
August 27 2018 00:53 GMT
#12948
On August 27 2018 09:49 Kyadytim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 08:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 08:26 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.

Can you imagine how many keyboards some gamers would break if they could shoot them instead of having to smash them?


Honestly, I'm expecting some people to repeat the old "playing video games causes violent behavior" mantra because of the occasional tragedy like this, not realizing that any sort of consistency in that logic would mean that dancing to club music, praying in church, and going to school must also cause people to get itchy trigger fingers.

The game they were playing was Madden '19. Football is sacred and above reproach in America, and that aegis extends to football video games, so I'm not going to be surprised if there is absolutely no "video games cause violence" bullshit this time around.

It's also the only NFL based series.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
August 27 2018 09:39 GMT
#12949
On August 27 2018 09:53 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 09:49 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 08:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 08:26 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.

Can you imagine how many keyboards some gamers would break if they could shoot them instead of having to smash them?


Honestly, I'm expecting some people to repeat the old "playing video games causes violent behavior" mantra because of the occasional tragedy like this, not realizing that any sort of consistency in that logic would mean that dancing to club music, praying in church, and going to school must also cause people to get itchy trigger fingers.

The game they were playing was Madden '19. Football is sacred and above reproach in America, and that aegis extends to football video games, so I'm not going to be surprised if there is absolutely no "video games cause violence" bullshit this time around.

It's also the only NFL based series.


Except for Blood Bowl.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
August 27 2018 11:09 GMT
#12950
On August 27 2018 18:39 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 09:53 Gahlo wrote:
On August 27 2018 09:49 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 08:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 08:26 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.

Can you imagine how many keyboards some gamers would break if they could shoot them instead of having to smash them?


Honestly, I'm expecting some people to repeat the old "playing video games causes violent behavior" mantra because of the occasional tragedy like this, not realizing that any sort of consistency in that logic would mean that dancing to club music, praying in church, and going to school must also cause people to get itchy trigger fingers.

The game they were playing was Madden '19. Football is sacred and above reproach in America, and that aegis extends to football video games, so I'm not going to be surprised if there is absolutely no "video games cause violence" bullshit this time around.

It's also the only NFL based series.


Except for Blood Bowl.

Don't forget Mutant League Football.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-27 13:05:02
August 27 2018 13:03 GMT
#12951
On August 27 2018 18:39 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 09:53 Gahlo wrote:
On August 27 2018 09:49 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 08:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 08:26 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 27 2018 07:07 JimmiC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2018 03:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Just posted in the mass shooting thread but there was a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Florida. This is definitely one of the states that sees a lot of gun violence... don’t know the motives yet.

Tge issue is none of the gamers had guns.


Oh please don't.

Can you imagine how many keyboards some gamers would break if they could shoot them instead of having to smash them?


Honestly, I'm expecting some people to repeat the old "playing video games causes violent behavior" mantra because of the occasional tragedy like this, not realizing that any sort of consistency in that logic would mean that dancing to club music, praying in church, and going to school must also cause people to get itchy trigger fingers.

The game they were playing was Madden '19. Football is sacred and above reproach in America, and that aegis extends to football video games, so I'm not going to be surprised if there is absolutely no "video games cause violence" bullshit this time around.

It's also the only NFL based series.


Except for Blood Bowl.

NFL :: American Football : Squares :: Rectangles
kalikalik
Profile Joined June 2018
2 Posts
August 27 2018 16:23 GMT
#12952
--- Nuked ---
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-27 16:34:03
August 27 2018 16:33 GMT
#12953
Oh good, someone already reported it. The post above sucks and isn’t worthy of this thread’s attention.

Student Loan Watchdog Quits, Blames Trump Administration

The federal official in charge of protecting student borrowers from predatory lending practices has stepped down.

In a scathing resignation letter, Seth Frotman, who until now was the student loan ombudsman at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, says current leadership "has turned its back on young people and their financial futures." The letter was addressed to Mick Mulvaney, the bureau's acting director.

In the letter, obtained by NPR, Frotman accuses Mulvaney and the Trump administration of undermining the CFPB and its ability to protect student borrowers.

"Unfortunately, under your leadership, the Bureau has abandoned the very consumers it is tasked by Congress with protecting," it read. "Instead, you have used the Bureau to serve the wishes of the most powerful financial companies in America."

The letter raises serious questions about the federal government's willingness to oversee the $1.5 trillion student loan industry and to protect student borrowers.

Frotman has served as student loan ombudsman for the past three years. Congress created the position in 2010, in the wake of the financial crisis, as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. As ombudsman and assistant director, Frotman oversaw the CFPB's Office for Students and Young Consumers and reviewed thousands of complaints from student borrowers about the questionable practices of private lenders, loan servicers and debt collectors.

Since 2011, the CFPB has handled more than 60,000 student loan complaints and, through its investigations and enforcement actions, returned more than $750 million to aggrieved borrowers. Frotman's office was central to those efforts. It also played a role in lawsuits against for-profit giants ITT Tech and Corinthian Colleges and the student loan company Navient.

Over the past year, the Trump administration has increasingly sidelined the CFPB's student loan office. Last August, the U.S. Department of Education announced it would stop sharing information with the bureau about the department's oversight of federal student loans, calling the CFPB "overreaching and unaccountable" and arguing that the bureau's actions were confusing borrowers and loan servicers alike. Of the move, Frotman writes, "the Bureau's current leadership folded to political pressure ... and failed borrowers who depend on independent oversight to halt bad practices."

In May, Mulvaney called for a major shake-up in Frotman's division. The Office for Students and Young Consumers would be folded into the bureau's financial education office, signaling a symbolic shift in mission from investigation to information-sharing. While the CFPB told NPR at the time that the move was "a very modest organizational chart change," consumer advocates reacted with alarm.

Christopher Peterson, director of financial services at the nonprofit Consumer Federation of America, called the move "an appalling step in a longer march toward the elimination of meaningful American consumer protection law."

In his resignation, Frotman also accuses the CFPB's leadership of suppressing a report, prepared by his office, revealing new evidence that some of the nation's largest banks were "saddling [students] with legally dubious account fees."

The Trump administration has also taken steps outside the CFPB to curb oversight of the student loan industry. The Justice and Education departments have argued that debt collectors should be protected from state efforts to regulate them. And, earlier this month, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos moved to scrap a rule meant to punish schools where graduates struggle with poor earnings and deep debt. The department defended its decision, saying it would instead give borrowers school performance data so they can decide for themselves what colleges offer the best value.

Mick Mulvaney was tapped to run the CFPB while also serving as director of the Office of Management and Budget. Before joining the Trump administration, he was a Republican congressman from South Carolina and a fierce critic of the bureau he now manages. He once called the CFPB "a joke ... in a sick, sad kind of way" because, Mulvaney argued, it often acted above the law with no accountability to Congress.


Source

Regardless of where you fall on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau(Personally, I liked the mission, but felt that it was to immune to congressional oversight, dooming it to the situation above), the Trump administration is only out there to protect the lenders in the student loan industry. The Secretary of Education is deep in that industry, wants to take over all aspects of public education. As debt burden for college grads balloons, it will only damage our economy further while these people line their pockets and claim they serve the free market.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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kalikalik
Profile Joined June 2018
2 Posts
August 27 2018 17:15 GMT
#12954
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9617 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-27 17:22:30
August 27 2018 17:20 GMT
#12955
On August 28 2018 02:15 kalikalik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2018 01:33 Plansix wrote:
Oh good, someone already reported it. The post above sucks and isn’t worthy of this thread’s attention.


Ignore us, silence us. Block us. Ban us.

But how will we then communicate?

Explosions at the airport pack a message and a boom.

attempts at ‘communication’ rarely begin with calling the people you’re talking at fascist pigs. equating yourself to a terrorist makes the rest clear enough. bet mom’s proud.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15684 Posts
August 27 2018 17:22 GMT
#12956
On August 28 2018 02:15 kalikalik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2018 01:33 Plansix wrote:
Oh good, someone already reported it. The post above sucks and isn’t worthy of this thread’s attention.


Ignore us, silence us. Block us. Ban us.

But how will we then communicate?

Explosions at the airport pack a message and a boom.


what in gods name are you saying here?
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
August 27 2018 17:23 GMT
#12957
None of McCain's "principles" or good actions are even a blip on the radar compared to countless Iraqi lives.
Most people who share my or Grumbel's opinion of him wouldn't care to express it were it not for the copious bleaching of the pages of history everyone is doing. Talking up one of the most war-hungry monsters of the last 70 years because he occasionally called for a veneer of decency (while eviscerating it with Palinism) seems like a great way to perpetuate the horrific attitude your country has towards war.

Sure, kalikalik's post is pretty crap, but let's not pretend holding a warhawk who lowered the cultural bar in such esteem, even if only for a day, makes any fucking sense.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
August 27 2018 17:23 GMT
#12958
Reminds me of the pro-gun tweet from a guy who unwittingly claimed that he needed an AR-15 so he could hijack a plane to get his child international medical attention, if necessary.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-27 17:31:27
August 27 2018 17:24 GMT
#12959
On August 28 2018 02:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2018 02:15 kalikalik wrote:
On August 28 2018 01:33 Plansix wrote:
Oh good, someone already reported it. The post above sucks and isn’t worthy of this thread’s attention.


Ignore us, silence us. Block us. Ban us.

But how will we then communicate?

Explosions at the airport pack a message and a boom.


what in gods name are you saying here?

Its an internet edgelord trying to show he is one of the cool kids.

On August 28 2018 02:23 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
None of McCain's "principles" or good actions are even a blip on the radar compared to countless Iraqi lives.
Most people who share my or Grumbel's opinion of him wouldn't care to express it were it not for the copious bleaching of the pages of history everyone is doing. Talking up one of the most war-hungry monsters of the last 70 years because he occasionally called for a veneer of decency (while eviscerating it with Palinism) seems like a great way to perpetuate the horrific attitude your country has towards war.

Sure, kalikalik's post is pretty crap, but let's not pretend holding a warhawk who lowered the cultural bar in such esteem, even if only for a day, makes any fucking sense.


I am extremely suspect of anyone who picks the shortly after someone died to critique them in the fashion above. It always comes off as self-gratification through the collection of angry responses under the thin guise of being critical.

When Scalia died, I said something close to following:

“I am sorry for his family, but I am happy he no longer has the ability to impact people’s lives.”

It is easy to be critical without pissing anyone off. But that isn’t the response that posters like the one above are looking for. I am sort of tired of being told to consider taking every one of these shit posts in some level of good faith because they are critical of McCain.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-27 17:56:22
August 27 2018 17:55 GMT
#12960
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/politics/mexico-us-trade-deal/index.html

New deal in the works for Nafta.
Mexico seems to be on board but no word on Canada yet. Also, trump wants to change the name from nafta to The US-Mexican Trade Agreement, which makes me think Canada would not be in on it?

I love that he changed some parts and then wants to re brand it so he can say he killed Nafta

The markets love the news though
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