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LightSpectra
United States2073 Posts
On February 04 2026 00:53 Introvert wrote: Not that thete haven't been awful people in office, but so much of the way Clinton was defended reappears now with Trump. So you think Trump should be impeached and removed for what he did to E. Jean Carroll, "grab em by the pussy" tape, and his extensive Epstein connections, right? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26235 Posts
On February 04 2026 00:53 Introvert wrote: Clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury, but your characterization is exactly the one given in his defense. For the more self-reflective it's Clinton and the shameless defenses of him and his behavior that have led to a steep decline in moral expectations for presidents. Not that thete haven't been awful people in office, but so much of the way Clinton was defended reappears now with Trump. People made excuses for him all day long, pointed to the things they liked that he did, and closed ranks without giving a single inch. Clinton was a moderate dem policy wise and could be forced to work with Congress, but he was disastrous in other respects. I mean does it? Does it really? It’s worth also bearing in mind that this was in a less enlightened era as regards understanding and acceptance around the leveraging of power etc in the sexual domain and how that could be coercive and unethical. So yeah people defended Clinton for getting a blowiob from the young intern, no big deal, here’s a high five but that was almost 30 years ago You can’t moan about any decline of moral standards in the office and defend Donald Trump, ever. It’s preposterous. Fucking hell Utter lunacy | ||
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Billyboy
1431 Posts
“If they (Canada) do a deal with China, we will do something very substantial,” Trump said. “I have a great relationship with China and President Xi (Jinping) but we don’t want China to take over Canada. If they make the deal that he’s looking to make, China will take over Canada and the first thing they’re going to do is end ice hockey.” How people think this is a smart man and some amazing deal maker is beyond me. He’s like a 10 year old, what do those Canadians love, oh yes the game with the puck, I know I’ll say China is going to destroy hockey and they will be puddy in my hand. Stable genius strikes again. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11739 Posts
On February 04 2026 01:20 Billyboy wrote: Omg Trump save us, they are going to do away with Ice Hockey because of the trade deal!! How people think this is a smart man and some amazing deal maker is beyond me. He’s like a 10 year old, what do those Canadians love, oh yes the game with the puck, I know I’ll say China is going to destroy hockey and they will be puddy in my hand. Stable genius strikes again. That is just a standard paragraph in any trade deal with China nowadays. §11 "Also, none of the parties is allowed to play ice hockey anymore". | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26235 Posts
The fuck is going on? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2073 Posts
On February 04 2026 01:30 WombaT wrote: Is it even worth paying attention to politics anymore if you’re vaguely sane? I’m just back after a therapeutic month off the internet and almost immediately upon my return it’s somehow even more stupid than before? The fuck is going on? Welcome back, I hope you're doing well. Yes, it is more stupid than before. We abducted a president of a foreign country to the United States and charged him with owning weapons that are illegal to own in the United States. That's just the tip of the iceberg. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5041 Posts
Domestic politics and a pivot towards the East is what we're going to do. America will simply be eaten by the Leopard they made themselves. The story of the American Leopard -- circa 4000 AD | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7966 Posts
On February 04 2026 00:53 Introvert wrote: Clinton was impeached for lying to a grand jury, but your characterization is exactly the one given in his defense. For the more self-reflective it's Clinton and the shameless defenses of him and his behavior that have led to a steep decline in moral expectations for presidents. Not that thete haven't been awful people in office, but so much of the way Clinton was defended reappears now with Trump. People made excuses for him all day long, pointed to the things they liked that he did, and closed ranks without giving a single inch. Clinton was a moderate dem policy wise and could be forced to work with Congress, but he was disastrous in other respects. No, man, it’s not Clinton, it’s you. Obama was morally as good as it gets as a us president, and Biden was just fine by historical standards. You vote and support a man that is the most garbage human being ever to enter American politics, it just speaks volumes about you. There is no moral decline other than you own. | ||
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Billyboy
1431 Posts
On February 04 2026 01:26 Simberto wrote: That is just a standard paragraph in any trade deal with China nowadays. §11 "Also, none of the parties is allowed to play ice hockey anymore". Shit, if they are against maple syrup and beavers I’m going to have to go full MAGA. How did sleepy joe let this happen Donald, MAKE IT STOP. | ||
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pmh
1400 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/02/defund-american-oligarchy-trump-congress Its either this and be serious about the concerns of ordinary people. Or continue trolling social media with bs and force people to eventually go a 3rd route. The republicans have disqualified themselves already so its really between the democrats and an unpredictable 3rd route. The classic choice between democrats vs republicans is no longer that relevant. The democrats get one last chance to do it right and if they dont take this chance then the 2 party system is done. | ||
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Introvert
United States4891 Posts
On February 04 2026 01:11 WombaT wrote: I mean does it? Does it really? It’s worth also bearing in mind that this was in a less enlightened era as regards understanding and acceptance around the leveraging of power etc in the sexual domain and how that could be coercive and unethical. So yeah people defended Clinton for getting a blowiob from the young intern, no big deal, here’s a high five but that was almost 30 years ago You can’t moan about any decline of moral standards in the office and defend Donald Trump, ever. It’s preposterous. Fucking hell Utter lunacy I don’t recall defending Trump's character. But you do know that time runs one way right? And there were people back then who knew it was wrong, they just got sidelined. That’s part of my point. If you are going to make that argument then im going to point out that Trump and Clinton are similar ages and thus might be expected to have similar views of these things, so...his defenders sounded just like the most ardent Trumpist on these matters, but 30 years before. And Trump didn't even so that stuff while in office, but before! On February 04 2026 01:55 Biff The Understudy wrote: No, man, it’s not Clinton, it’s you. Obama was morally as good as it gets as a us president, and Biden was just fine by historical standards. You vote and support a man that is the most garbage human being ever to enter American politics, it just speaks volumes about you. There is no moral decline other than you own. There's a fascinating omission from your list, but I think we both know why. I didn't vote him. Try again. Who says this all happened at once? Part of Bush's appeal was that he seemed a better man than Clinton. The chickens don't all fly back to the roost at once. Nobody here realizes or wants to acknowledge that with a few word tweaks you could transplant so, so many defenses of Clinton onto defenses of Trump. | ||
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Legan
Finland555 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9170 Posts
On February 04 2026 01:30 WombaT wrote: Is it even worth paying attention to politics anymore if you’re vaguely sane? I’m just back after a therapeutic month off the internet and almost immediately upon my return it’s somehow even more stupid than before? The fuck is going on? Welcome back, but yeah.. it's all very silly. I mean, it was bad enough having to deal with people pushing fascism (and somehow feudalism ??) again but why do all their leaders have to be such pathetic cringelords. If we must ruin ourselves again at least give us some villains with coherent thoughts and actual principles (twisted as they may be) instead of these amorphous bozos. At least the Cold War had some respectable opposing economic ideas for a while, the "ideological debate" now is about whether figerrape is wrong and who should use what bathroom and when is China gonna send the tarriff check that's gonna pay for everything. If, like anti-vaccination, flat-earthism became politically expedient for some reason it would take maybe a couple months of algorithm-pumping until you went to get a haircut and everyone at the barber's was talking about how uneducated 'rounders' are. People in the social media gutter are simply lost, tell the average person to show you their recommendations or even make a fresh account in incognito to see how things are going. Remember that when you argue with them, and they process and understand what you were saying, and you feel good that you made a difference, by the next time you see them they will have seen another 500 dumbass videos injecting 20 other silly narratives and oversimplifcations into their brain stems. I'm so disappointed in our species, we're one of those minor species showing up in a single episode of an alien series to teach their children about the dangers of getting used to giving your mind a reward every 20 seconds. | ||
KwarK
United States43545 Posts
Somehow you’ve missed that and are arguing Clinton was shady too. Even if we ignore the vastly different levels of shaft, that’s the point being made. The willingness to go to endless lengths to defend a shady guy on your team has changed. People used to be able to look at Clinton and recognize that what he did was wrong, regardless of the technicality. Somehow you guys can’t seem to do that with Epstein’s best friend. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3243 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26235 Posts
On February 04 2026 03:26 misirlou wrote: talking to a brick wall would be more effective. to argue that clinton was defended by democratic voters the way trump is defended by republicans is beyond tribalism, it's schizophrenic. It’s not worth entertaining whatsoever, it’s ridiculous. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7966 Posts
On February 04 2026 02:34 Introvert wrote: I don’t recall defending Trump's character. But you do know that time runs one way right? And there were people back then who knew it was wrong, they just got sidelined. That’s part of my point. If you are going to make that argument then im going to point out that Trump and Clinton are similar ages and thus might be expected to have similar views of these things, so...his defenders sounded just like the most ardent Trumpist on these matters, but 30 years before. And Trump didn't even so that stuff while in office, but before! There's a fascinating omission from your list, but I think we both know why. I didn't vote him. Try again. Who says this all happened at once? Part of Bush's appeal was that he seemed a better man than Clinton. The chickens don't all fly back to the roost at once. Nobody here realizes or wants to acknowledge that with a few word tweaks you could transplant so, so many defenses of Clinton onto defenses of Trump. Clinton was morally compromised and imo, that made him unfit to be a good president. That the point republicans forcefully made by then. And honestly, i think they did have a point. In Scandinavia, he certainly would have been removed from office. Trump is literally 15 orders of magnitude worse than him, to the point he makes Clinton look like a saint. Anyone supporting a man that is such an absolute cunt is beyond morally bankrupt. That’s not a decline of American moral values. That’s on the republicans and on maga. Those people have no values, and no morals, period. If that’s the standard you set and expect for the leader of the nation, you are a terrible person. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26235 Posts
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Introvert
United States4891 Posts
On February 04 2026 03:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: Clinton was morally compromised and imo, that made him unfit to be a good president. That the point republicans forcefully made by then. And honestly, i think they did have a point. In Scandinavia, he certainly would have been removed from office. Trump is literally 15 orders of magnitude worse than him, to the point he makes Clinton look like a saint. Anyone supporting a man that is such an absolute cunt is beyond morally bankrupt. That’s not a decline of American moral values. That’s on the republicans and on maga. Those people have no values, and no morals, period. If that’s the standard you set and expect for the leader of the nation, you are a terrible person. The point is that no one cares anymore. Clinton's approval among Democrats didn't budge. Dems were loath to throw out the first dem to win re-election in decades. Make whatever *relative* judgement you want, the pattern is obvious and the slope was in fact slippery. His critics were more right than they knew, but yes, many of them eneded up adopting the arguments they laughed at. On February 04 2026 03:32 WombaT wrote: Clinton being a pretty good President otherwise also gives him some leeway Mirror image of what a MAGA person would say. It is literally the exact same argument. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2073 Posts
Edit: Not that it matters to anyone, but the only Dem Senator that was in office during Bill Clinton's impeachment and still in office today is Ron Wyden. I guess we can singlehandedly blame him for the fall of our constitutional republic. Thanks, Ron. | ||
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