EPTThough this is a bit of a hyperbole.
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pmh
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Though this is a bit of a hyperbole. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1016 Posts
On January 06 2026 02:07 Slydie wrote: Have you forgotten that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around? Russia will never invade the US, but several European countries are under a direct threat. Calling them an "obstacle" for not giving in to Russia's demands makes me angry. Yeah, should have used quotes and "" perhaps, sometimes I forget that not everyone reads every thread. My response was to Zeo specifically, but also this "argument" that they switched to after Trump came in to power. Before that, the war, according to them was instigated by America "couping" Ukraine in Euromaidan and installing regime that prosecuted Russian speakers, after the orange turd assumed power they switched the rhetoric to claiming Europe is the warmongering side artificially propping up Ukraine, by supplying arms and spreading propaganda that Russia is not winning decisively, because, reasons, I guess... | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7943 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2693 Posts
On January 06 2026 04:05 Biff The Understudy wrote: Trump’s obsession with Greenland is becoming really, really, really scary. I think we are at an extremely dangerous moment. If he goes for it (and the other branches of government doesn't stop him which they easily can) it's going to be one of the turning points in history. Nothing is going to be the same again and no one is going to predict what happens in the future. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5727 Posts
On January 06 2026 04:44 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: If he goes for it (and the other branches of government doesn't stop him which they easily can) it's going to be one of the turning points in history. Nothing is going to be the same again and no one is going to predict what happens in the future. A whole bunch of countries are going to get nukes, that's for sure. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22029 Posts
On January 06 2026 04:53 maybenexttime wrote: You think Denmark would end the world over Greenland?A whole bunch of countries are going to get nukes, that's for sure. Because if the answer is no then nukes don't help. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5727 Posts
On January 06 2026 04:56 Gorsameth wrote: You think Denmark would end the world over Greenland? Because if the answer is no then nukes don't help. Do you think the world's tyrants will be satisfied with Greenland changing hands? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22029 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:01 maybenexttime wrote: No but I don't see him invading mainland Europe.Do you think the world's tyrants will be satisfied with Greenland changing hands? The depressing reality is that if Trump were to grab Greenland no one is going to stop him. No one is going to war with the US because no one can have any hope of victory, or even a stalemate. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1016 Posts
I personally don't, but, because a lot of people choose to believe that he would, he gets to do whatever he wants. The only way to deter these fucks is with nukes and by clearly stating if this happens this is going to happen next, MAD on a smaller scale, if you will, unfortunately, the western democracies don't seem to have any leaders who are willing to play this game with authoritarians, so, we'll all just eat shit and roll over. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14069 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:08 Jankisa wrote: Do you think that Putin would end the world if Biden established a no fly zone over Ukraine? I personally don't, but, because a lot of people choose to believe that he would, he gets to do whatever he wants. The only way to deter these fucks is with nukes and by clearly stating if this happens this is going to happen next, MAD on a smaller scale, if you will, unfortunately, the western democracies don't seem to have any leaders who are willing to play this game with authoritarians, so, we'll all just eat shit and roll over. Establishing a no fly zone over Ukraine requires making air strikes into Russia and shutting down the air space effectivly for most of industrialized Russia. It would lead to a massive air war against russian planes There is no MAD on a smaller scale and when you start flinging nukes everywhere its hard to stop doing it. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2294 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1016 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:11 Sermokala wrote: Establishing a no fly zone over Ukraine requires making air strikes into Russia and shutting down the air space effectivly for most of industrialized Russia. It would lead to a massive air war against russian planes There is no MAD on a smaller scale and when you start flinging nukes everywhere its hard to stop doing it. I mean, it's a pretty simple question, do you think that if Biden established a no-fly zone Putin would push the button over that? I completely understand what a no-fly zone entails, I also understand that they are announced in advance and can be reacted to as such. My opinion is that these people are huge narcissists and they value themselves over anything else, and this is exactly why Putin would not go with it, unfortunately, just like with Trump, no one is willing to call their bluff, so, we get fascism. Just like Merrick Garland wasn't willing to throw this piece of shit into jail, western nations aren't willing to do what is necessary to put an end to Russian imperialism, and we end up where we are now. Trump gave us all the playbook 11 years ago, when you are a star, they just let you do it, you move in on them like a bitch, and we are all his and his friend Putin's bitches, because we elected bitches. I'm not sure if any of you ever dealt with bullies, but they don't stop until they get punched back, and no one is willing to do so, so I find this "OK, we give him Greenland but if he goes for Canada that's too much" sentiment absolutely hilarious. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22029 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:08 Jankisa wrote: As Sermoka said, the West doesn't institute a no-fly zone not because of nukes but because to be able to fly safely and enforce that no-fly zone you need to take out Russian air defense inside Russia, which wouldn't lead to nukes but would probably lead to some form of war, which the EU is not willing to do over Ukraine.Do you think that Putin would end the world if Biden established a no fly zone over Ukraine? I personally don't, but, because a lot of people choose to believe that he would, he gets to do whatever he wants. The only way to deter these fucks is with nukes and by clearly stating if this happens this is going to happen next, MAD on a smaller scale, if you will, unfortunately, the western democracies don't seem to have any leaders who are willing to play this game with authoritarians, so, we'll all just eat shit and roll over. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On January 06 2026 00:45 hitthat wrote: Wow, your pride of being heirs of non-aligned movement is almost touching. One would wonder how you ended up engaged in secesionist wars after chosing such an easy path. Obviously the hard route was being a good boy and pissing all over International Law for the last 35 years to get all those pats on the head from Master. Master loves us, we sent our men to die for him in his illegal wars, we sent all our weapons to countries we had nothing to do with against countries that posed no threat to us. Surely he wouldn't hurt his most faithful dog  | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1016 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:18 Gorsameth wrote: As Sermoka said, the West doesn't institute a no-fly zone not because of nukes but because to be able to fly safely and enforce that no-fly zone you need to take out Russian air defense inside Russia, which wouldn't lead to nukes but would probably lead to some form of war, which the EU is not willing to do over Ukraine. It would lead to war, how? If this was done, Putin would be presented with 2 options, suicide by pressing the button or retreat from the occupied Ukraine back to Donbas + Crimea. You think that Russia can wage war against the combined air power of NATO? Just the US navy could likely win a purely air war against Russia, in the last year we found out exactly how effective Russian anti-air systems are against F-35's and the rest of the US stack, just look at how many air frames were lost between Israel and US in their actions against Iran and Venezuela. If you weren't aware, it was 0. Another prudent questions, how many 5th gen Russian fighters did we see in action so far? Also 0, if you don't count prototypes over Syria or Russian propaganda claims over Ukraine that were not confirmed by any evidence. | ||
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pmh
1392 Posts
But maybe that is indeed the goal and that is how the US wants to force it. At this point its beyond repair anyway. Past year has been very enlightning things are finally starting to make sense. My expectation is still "peace" in Ukraine next before the summer. But maybe it can also go the other way if the US makes a move on Greenland. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2294 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:19 zeo wrote: Obviously the hard route was being a good boy and pissing all over International Law for the last 35 years to get all those pats on the head from Master. Master loves us, we sent our men to die for him in his illegal wars, we sent all our weapons to countries we had nothing to do with against countries that posed no threat to us. Surely he wouldn't hurt his most faithful dog Sending weapons is completely in accordance to international law, unlike, you know, etnic cleansing, and yes, this is alusion. BTW. that "no threat to us" would be much more convincing if only they didn't demand retreating NATO behind 1997 lines in 2021. We are too much paranoid to not pay attention to shit like that, so pardon me, we would rather rely on historical experience than your obviously uncomprehensible analitical abilities. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22029 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:17 Jankisa wrote: Its easy to just say the West should do more, and I do it myself aswell. But not wanting to go into a shooting war with Russia that will lead to tens or hundreds of thousands dead (and we're not talking nukes here. Just conventional warfare) is not unreasonable.I mean, it's a pretty simple question, do you think that if Biden established a no-fly zone Putin would push the button over that? I completely understand what a no-fly zone entails, I also understand that they are announced in advance and can be reacted to as such. My opinion is that these people are huge narcissists and they value themselves over anything else, and this is exactly why Putin would not go with it, unfortunately, just like with Trump, no one is willing to call their bluff, so, we get fascism. Just like Merrick Garland wasn't willing to throw this piece of shit into jail, western nations aren't willing to do what is necessary to put an end to Russian imperialism, and we end up where we are now. I think Ukraine could have been prevented in the West responded sharper before Putin crossed the border. If NATO has moved an actual army into Ukraine as soon as they learned Putin was planning to attack then it might have been prevented. Or if that doesn't cause Putin to reconsider then he was going to invade NATO anyway and the fight is inevitable, might as well get it over with quickly. Or maybe that is the power of hindsight, we didn't expect Russia to be this incompetent. Should the EU move an army into Greenland to stop Trump from considering an attack? Perhaps that is the only way to prevent it. But fighting the American army is a very different fight from fighting Russia. Its a complete mess, the world because a very shit place very quickly when the 'sole superpower' and former beacon of western civilizations decides that they want to become a colonial empire almost a century after everyone else stopped thinking it was a good idea. If the only way the war in Ukraine is going to end is with Putin dying then maybe the only way 'this' ends well is Trump dies before he can kick off WW3. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22029 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:30 pmh wrote: How long ago would we have said the same about the US invading Venezuela?It seems unlikely to me that the us will make a move against greenland. It would be the end of everything and that would be all it accomplishes. But maybe that is indeed the goal and that is how the us wants to force it. At this point its beyond repair anyway. Past year has been very enlightning things are finally starting to make sense. I want to agree with you that the US would never do this. But we're not living in a simple world like that anymore. | ||
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pmh
1392 Posts
On January 06 2026 05:34 Gorsameth wrote: How long ago would we have said the same about the US invading Venezuela? I want to agree with you that the US would never do this. But we're not living in a simple world like that anymore. How long ago would we have said the same about the US invading Venezuela An eternity for me. Venezuela has been the most obvious us target for over a decade. Its just that there was no rush because the oil wasnt going anywhere and the us was the only world power. Now there is a bit more urgency (though still not that urgent) and there was a somewhat specific opportunity. Personally i expected Venezuela to happen the moment Trump won. Greenland seems unlikely to me because through a potentially terrible chain of events it could end up costing the us alot as well. So much that i think they dont want to risk it. Besides that there is no urgency at all they would gain nothing for the forseable future. | ||
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