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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-05 12:40:26
January 05 2026 12:20 GMT
#108161
Gh you need start your own socialist network state and try grow it. As preperation for the future.
If you realize you cant compete within the current political system you need to look for options outside of it.
Leftwing philosophy is just stuck. Rightwing philosophy has lots of new ideas but there is nothing on the leftwing no innovation no new ideas. They need new ideas and these have to come from a pragmatic perspective.

Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17783 Posts
January 05 2026 13:37 GMT
#108162
On January 05 2026 21:20 pmh wrote:
Gh you need start your own socialist network state and try grow it. As preperation for the future.
If you realize you cant compete within the current political system you need to look for options outside of it.
Leftwing philosophy is just stuck. Rightwing philosophy has lots of new ideas but there is nothing on the leftwing no innovation no new ideas. They need new ideas and these have to come from a pragmatic perspective.


Right wing doesn't have any new ideas either - they're conservatives by definition. Left wing's biggest problem is that they don't really have a good public representation since most of the leaders there are anti-establishment and not really fond of occupying prominent positions within the government (which is pretty much the opposite of right wing people who love to embed themselves within the echelons of power).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
January 05 2026 13:38 GMT
#108163
Does the new right have lots of new ideas though? Annexing places? Blaming sexual minorities for corrupting the youth? Accusing nonwhites of poisoning the blood of the nation?

Feels a lot like a greatest hits album.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18350 Posts
January 05 2026 13:48 GMT
#108164
On January 05 2026 21:20 pmh wrote:
Gh you need start your own socialist network state and try grow it. As preperation for the future.
If you realize you cant compete within the current political system you need to look for options outside of it.
Leftwing philosophy is just stuck. Rightwing philosophy has lots of new ideas but there is nothing on the leftwing no innovation no new ideas. They need new ideas and these have to come from a pragmatic perspective.


The problem isn't the ideas. Clearly nobody is voting for actual ideas. It's that billionaires, despite objectively being a far bigger problem than immigrants, make a less appealing scape goat. They aren't stealing ur jurbs, they're just automating them out of existence and then saying "well, get a job you lazy slacker. I'm not paying unemployment benefits!" And that somehow connects with all the temporarily embarrassed millionaires in Appalachia.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-05 14:09:15
January 05 2026 14:08 GMT
#108165
On January 05 2026 22:38 KwarK wrote:
Blaming sexual minorities for corrupting the youth?

The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
January 05 2026 14:12 GMT
#108166
On January 05 2026 18:25 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2026 17:35 ETisME wrote:
On January 04 2026 22:56 Sermokala wrote:
On January 04 2026 15:27 ETisME wrote:
On January 03 2026 22:49 Sermokala wrote:
Crazy part is that there was just no need for this. Biden had done enough with the other nations in the carribiean to create a more profiable and more efficent oil industry with its neighbors. All Trump had to do was to present this evidence to Maduros backers and show how being friendly with the US was more profitable than being enemies.

But yeah lets just continue the cold war and make everyone hate us in the region again. I'm sure there will be no blowback for kidnapping a head of state within their own nation by military force and killing a bunch of people in the process.

that will never happen, and honestly a very naive take to the whole situation.
Madurors wasn't in it for the money itself, but that Russia and China etc are giving him plenty of staying power.
Power comes before money/wealth.

There's a tiny fraction of venezuela population who would be against this, the nation had been suffering a F ton.
2025 nobel peace prize winner herself wanted US arms intervention to force the transition.

The whole thing is controversial move, but not only was it a power move against Russia and china,

Russia asked US to stop targetting tanker a day before
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russia-asks-us-to-stop-pursuit-of-fleeing-oil-tanker-claims-authority/ar-AA1TpN1F?ocid=BingNewsSerp

China top diplomat literally met with Maduro hours before the strike
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-condemns-us-strike-in-venezuela-hours-after-top-diplomat-met-with-maduro/ar-AA1Tw96J?ocid=BingNewsSerp

It also ensures national interest of the US there in the region.

Also those who are talking like the US wants the Oil and therefore they intervene, what do you think Russia and China are there for? welcome to politics in the real world.

Some of you want checks and balances against the US, it's a good reminder the past couple of decades of relative peace wasn't because Russia/China was a strong check and balance against the west. It's because they had arms superiority and geopolitical power.

I don't think you understand the scale of this. Money isn't power, until we're talking about oil industry money. The man himself may value the notion of being in control more than being uber wealthy but his backers would definitly be interested in being a billion dollars richer.

Chevron itself makes more in revenue than the nation of Venesuela. The people would love to have a nation that is now rich in dollars and can take advantage of their natural wealth. You can afford a lot of bread and circus for the people when you've got the worlds largest reserve status.

I don't know why you'd think the people would be more against america becoming friends with venesuela and offering the nation vast riches over supporting the nth coup in south america the the united states has been responsible for. I can't imagine it would be easy to find a south american who would be supportive of the banana republics.

Chevron is ALLOWED to be stayed in power supported by China and Russia, it isn't money that allowed him to stay in power.

Either way, Europeans and lefties will cry about this happening.
That's why no one in oppressed status like Taiwan/Phillipiness/HongKong bother looking for European's support, no one expects anything meaningful from them, other than a few nice gestures and statements.


Funny. Last time I checked european countries sent a shit tone of arms to Ukraine, with my own country sending 1/3rd of our tanks and opening borders for whoever wanted free passage, and progressively embargoed Russia for anything they could, what almost put eastern european countries on the brink of war with Russia and Belarus. For now it was mostly european countries who provided cannon fodder to America for their vendetas against the whatever middle east ever spawned. But hey, lets call them inept because they don't threat anyone with annexation or nuclear annihilation.

Nobody said being a dog of the Empire was easy, I'm sure the Europeans enjoy their pats on the head.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44174 Posts
January 05 2026 14:20 GMT
#108167
On January 05 2026 23:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2026 22:38 KwarK wrote:
Blaming sexual minorities for corrupting the youth?

The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh.

Okay but the conservatives are fucking the kids then making AI child porn tools then sharing the porn on their platforms that they own. Meanwhile the progressives are trying to teach children about bodily autonomy and give them the language required to report when an authority figure is doing bad touches.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7745 Posts
January 05 2026 14:24 GMT
#108168
On January 05 2026 23:12 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2026 18:25 hitthat wrote:
On January 05 2026 17:35 ETisME wrote:
On January 04 2026 22:56 Sermokala wrote:
On January 04 2026 15:27 ETisME wrote:
On January 03 2026 22:49 Sermokala wrote:
Crazy part is that there was just no need for this. Biden had done enough with the other nations in the carribiean to create a more profiable and more efficent oil industry with its neighbors. All Trump had to do was to present this evidence to Maduros backers and show how being friendly with the US was more profitable than being enemies.

But yeah lets just continue the cold war and make everyone hate us in the region again. I'm sure there will be no blowback for kidnapping a head of state within their own nation by military force and killing a bunch of people in the process.

that will never happen, and honestly a very naive take to the whole situation.
Madurors wasn't in it for the money itself, but that Russia and China etc are giving him plenty of staying power.
Power comes before money/wealth.

There's a tiny fraction of venezuela population who would be against this, the nation had been suffering a F ton.
2025 nobel peace prize winner herself wanted US arms intervention to force the transition.

The whole thing is controversial move, but not only was it a power move against Russia and china,

Russia asked US to stop targetting tanker a day before
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russia-asks-us-to-stop-pursuit-of-fleeing-oil-tanker-claims-authority/ar-AA1TpN1F?ocid=BingNewsSerp

China top diplomat literally met with Maduro hours before the strike
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-condemns-us-strike-in-venezuela-hours-after-top-diplomat-met-with-maduro/ar-AA1Tw96J?ocid=BingNewsSerp

It also ensures national interest of the US there in the region.

Also those who are talking like the US wants the Oil and therefore they intervene, what do you think Russia and China are there for? welcome to politics in the real world.

Some of you want checks and balances against the US, it's a good reminder the past couple of decades of relative peace wasn't because Russia/China was a strong check and balance against the west. It's because they had arms superiority and geopolitical power.

I don't think you understand the scale of this. Money isn't power, until we're talking about oil industry money. The man himself may value the notion of being in control more than being uber wealthy but his backers would definitly be interested in being a billion dollars richer.

Chevron itself makes more in revenue than the nation of Venesuela. The people would love to have a nation that is now rich in dollars and can take advantage of their natural wealth. You can afford a lot of bread and circus for the people when you've got the worlds largest reserve status.

I don't know why you'd think the people would be more against america becoming friends with venesuela and offering the nation vast riches over supporting the nth coup in south america the the united states has been responsible for. I can't imagine it would be easy to find a south american who would be supportive of the banana republics.

Chevron is ALLOWED to be stayed in power supported by China and Russia, it isn't money that allowed him to stay in power.

Either way, Europeans and lefties will cry about this happening.
That's why no one in oppressed status like Taiwan/Phillipiness/HongKong bother looking for European's support, no one expects anything meaningful from them, other than a few nice gestures and statements.


Funny. Last time I checked european countries sent a shit tone of arms to Ukraine, with my own country sending 1/3rd of our tanks and opening borders for whoever wanted free passage, and progressively embargoed Russia for anything they could, what almost put eastern european countries on the brink of war with Russia and Belarus. For now it was mostly european countries who provided cannon fodder to America for their vendetas against the whatever middle east ever spawned. But hey, lets call them inept because they don't threat anyone with annexation or nuclear annihilation.

Nobody said being a dog of the Empire was easy, I'm sure the Europeans enjoy their pats on the head.

Much easier than being a dog of a delusional dictator trying to recreate an empire that fell over three decades ago, but at least we can all easily tell you enjoy your pats very very much.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17783 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-05 15:02:50
January 05 2026 15:02 GMT
#108169
On January 05 2026 23:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2026 22:38 KwarK wrote:
Blaming sexual minorities for corrupting the youth?

The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh.


Hyper-sexual culture? Murica is rather on the prude side when it comes to that. I clearly remember that one of the reasons a great TV series like Rome was cancelled was because it couldn't hit the target audience. Too much violence for the Europeans and too much nudity and plot for the Muricans.

I'm not sure, maybe all this porn and sexual liberation movements in the US come from the sexual repression in culture and mainstream media. In Europe we're not really afraid so much of presenting naked bodies on TV, nudist beaches and topless sunbathing are quite the norm and no one is making a big fuss about it. Meanwhile in the US minor nip slip is branded like a huge and outrageous depravity.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1444 Posts
January 05 2026 15:03 GMT
#108170
It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine.

The enemy is both week and strong I guess, a tale as old as time.

In general, as many others have pointed out, we are hurdling the same old path that the world was gearing up to before WW2, only, this time, instead of this toxic nationalism being borne of tremendous economic hardships and actual historical injustices, this time it's being fueled by pettiness and propaganda turned up to 11.

As much as I hate that stupid Right Wing trope, I'll happily bastardize it:

Smart humans create good times.
Good times create stupid humans.
Stupid humans create hard times.
Hard times create smart humans.

And on and on we go.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2825 Posts
January 05 2026 15:15 GMT
#108171
On January 05 2026 23:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2026 22:38 KwarK wrote:
Blaming sexual minorities for corrupting the youth?

The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh.


Tell me about it. Our president is a child molester and there are still people out there thinking being gay or trans is a problem.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2347 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-05 15:49:47
January 05 2026 15:45 GMT
#108172
On January 05 2026 23:12 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2026 18:25 hitthat wrote:
On January 05 2026 17:35 ETisME wrote:
On January 04 2026 22:56 Sermokala wrote:
On January 04 2026 15:27 ETisME wrote:
On January 03 2026 22:49 Sermokala wrote:
Crazy part is that there was just no need for this. Biden had done enough with the other nations in the carribiean to create a more profiable and more efficent oil industry with its neighbors. All Trump had to do was to present this evidence to Maduros backers and show how being friendly with the US was more profitable than being enemies.

But yeah lets just continue the cold war and make everyone hate us in the region again. I'm sure there will be no blowback for kidnapping a head of state within their own nation by military force and killing a bunch of people in the process.

that will never happen, and honestly a very naive take to the whole situation.
Madurors wasn't in it for the money itself, but that Russia and China etc are giving him plenty of staying power.
Power comes before money/wealth.

There's a tiny fraction of venezuela population who would be against this, the nation had been suffering a F ton.
2025 nobel peace prize winner herself wanted US arms intervention to force the transition.

The whole thing is controversial move, but not only was it a power move against Russia and china,

Russia asked US to stop targetting tanker a day before
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/russia-asks-us-to-stop-pursuit-of-fleeing-oil-tanker-claims-authority/ar-AA1TpN1F?ocid=BingNewsSerp

China top diplomat literally met with Maduro hours before the strike
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-condemns-us-strike-in-venezuela-hours-after-top-diplomat-met-with-maduro/ar-AA1Tw96J?ocid=BingNewsSerp

It also ensures national interest of the US there in the region.

Also those who are talking like the US wants the Oil and therefore they intervene, what do you think Russia and China are there for? welcome to politics in the real world.

Some of you want checks and balances against the US, it's a good reminder the past couple of decades of relative peace wasn't because Russia/China was a strong check and balance against the west. It's because they had arms superiority and geopolitical power.

I don't think you understand the scale of this. Money isn't power, until we're talking about oil industry money. The man himself may value the notion of being in control more than being uber wealthy but his backers would definitly be interested in being a billion dollars richer.

Chevron itself makes more in revenue than the nation of Venesuela. The people would love to have a nation that is now rich in dollars and can take advantage of their natural wealth. You can afford a lot of bread and circus for the people when you've got the worlds largest reserve status.

I don't know why you'd think the people would be more against america becoming friends with venesuela and offering the nation vast riches over supporting the nth coup in south america the the united states has been responsible for. I can't imagine it would be easy to find a south american who would be supportive of the banana republics.

Chevron is ALLOWED to be stayed in power supported by China and Russia, it isn't money that allowed him to stay in power.

Either way, Europeans and lefties will cry about this happening.
That's why no one in oppressed status like Taiwan/Phillipiness/HongKong bother looking for European's support, no one expects anything meaningful from them, other than a few nice gestures and statements.


Funny. Last time I checked european countries sent a shit tone of arms to Ukraine, with my own country sending 1/3rd of our tanks and opening borders for whoever wanted free passage, and progressively embargoed Russia for anything they could, what almost put eastern european countries on the brink of war with Russia and Belarus. For now it was mostly european countries who provided cannon fodder to America for their vendetas against the whatever middle east ever spawned. But hey, lets call them inept because they don't threat anyone with annexation or nuclear annihilation.

Nobody said being a dog of the Empire was easy, I'm sure the Europeans enjoy their pats on the head.


Wow, your pride of being heirs of non-aligned movement is almost touching. One would wonder how you ended up engaged in secesionist wars after chosing such an easy path.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22448 Posts
January 05 2026 15:48 GMT
#108173
On January 06 2026 00:03 Jankisa wrote:
It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine.

The enemy is both week and strong I guess, a tale as old as time.

In general, as many others have pointed out, we are hurdling the same old path that the world was gearing up to before WW2, only, this time, instead of this toxic nationalism being borne of tremendous economic hardships and actual historical injustices, this time it's being fueled by pettiness and propaganda turned up to 11.

As much as I hate that stupid Right Wing trope, I'll happily bastardize it:

Smart humans create good times.
Good times create stupid humans.
Stupid humans create hard times.
Hard times create smart humans.

And on and on we go.
But what allows that pettiness and propaganda to took root is I think itself rooted in a level of economic hardship.

Now its not as bad as the great depression but its very much there. 'We' grew up with parents that worked a single mundane job that sustained a stay at home wife, a house and several kids.
Now we have 2 people working a job struggling with a house and kids.

I had a video come across my feed a few days ago, and while I would advise against taking economic and world advice from comedians, it seems applicable here.
As the great depression led to ww2 and revolutions so is the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis still pushing us towards where the world is going now and creating a revolution.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1161 Posts
January 05 2026 15:51 GMT
#108174
https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl

Did a 14 year old write that with ChadGPT?
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2347 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-05 15:55:34
January 05 2026 15:54 GMT
#108175
On January 06 2026 00:51 KT_Elwood wrote:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl

Did a 14 year old write that with ChadGPT?


"Tons of cocaine"? They didn't even bother to ESTIMATE the minimal amount of that? And that's just the first line...
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2825 Posts
January 05 2026 16:43 GMT
#108176
I wonder what happens if the charges are dismissed or if they're found Not Guilty due to the typical Trump DOJ incompetence. They just get shipped to Gitmo? But then the courts would find that to be vindictive and order them returned, like what happened to Garcia.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1444 Posts
January 05 2026 16:57 GMT
#108177
On January 06 2026 00:48 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2026 00:03 Jankisa wrote:
It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine.

The enemy is both week and strong I guess, a tale as old as time.

In general, as many others have pointed out, we are hurdling the same old path that the world was gearing up to before WW2, only, this time, instead of this toxic nationalism being borne of tremendous economic hardships and actual historical injustices, this time it's being fueled by pettiness and propaganda turned up to 11.

As much as I hate that stupid Right Wing trope, I'll happily bastardize it:

Smart humans create good times.
Good times create stupid humans.
Stupid humans create hard times.
Hard times create smart humans.

And on and on we go.
But what allows that pettiness and propaganda to took root is I think itself rooted in a level of economic hardship.

Now its not as bad as the great depression but its very much there. 'We' grew up with parents that worked a single mundane job that sustained a stay at home wife, a house and several kids.
Now we have 2 people working a job struggling with a house and kids.

I had a video come across my feed a few days ago, and while I would advise against taking economic and world advice from comedians, it seems applicable here.
As the great depression led to ww2 and revolutions so is the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis still pushing us towards where the world is going now and creating a revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-UyEXJldc


Carr is a very much spineless dude who felt the winds blowing right and now he's on Rogan with memorized conversation pieces so he can join the right wing comedian niche, so I don't want to give him my time or a click.

I don't know, I might live in a bubble, but to me it's wildly insulting to those people who lived through those times to insinuate that today's word where, at least in our socialized societies in Europe no one starves, no one has to really worry about feeding their children as long as they are willing to work and everyone can afford amenities previously unimaginable are comparable.

The only country where I lived besides Croatia is Netherlands, and people there complain just as much as they do here while having one of the best standards of living in the world, enough to keep voting for an objectively cringy and incredibly racist piece of shit like Wilders.

And that is the NL response to "the left" being too tolerant of immigrants, despite the previous 15 years being governed by center right wing coalitions, it's all fucking stupid.

Yes, our parents could afford adult lives much more, however, the times changed, wildly, I completely share the frustration over that, my dad got a free apartment from his job, a job he got straight after his free education and after he worked there for less then 5 years in a starting position, no company in the world offers shit like that today, that, however, is not because "the left" failed, it's not because progressives are snarky, it's because the western world has become convinced that capitalism is amazing and everyone kept voting for centrists and right wingers who sold us out.

I can kind of get Americans, they are at the forefront of the late stage capitalism game, the opioid crisis, the lack of socialized medicine, half the population being one medical emergency from homelessness and bankruptcy, huge homeless problem, all of that is by design, and it's a group project of both Democrats and Republicans ever since Regan, that, however, doesn't justify imperialism, racism, bigotry and generally voting for pedophiles, rapists and insurrectionists, and it's certaintly not the fault of "the left".

Kamala Harris toured with Liz Chaney, she had a nickname "Copmala", her advisors were board members of Uber, Americans rejected her because of propaganda, billionaires influencing elections and a terminal hubris of an old man, plus, you know, the quarter of the country which is racist, sexist and imperialist.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1974 Posts
January 05 2026 17:07 GMT
#108178
It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine.


Have you forgotten that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around? Russia will never invade the US, but several European countries are under a direct threat. Calling them an "obstacle" for not giving in to Russia's demands makes me angry.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11913 Posts
January 05 2026 17:12 GMT
#108179
On January 06 2026 02:07 Slydie wrote:
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It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine.


Have you forgotten that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around? Russia will never invade the US, but several European countries are under a direct threat. Calling them an "obstacle" for not giving in to Russia's demands makes me angry.


Jankisa is just making fun of zeo here, who has a history of being an absolute Putin lover in the Ukraine thread.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5837 Posts
January 05 2026 17:14 GMT
#108180
On January 06 2026 00:48 Gorsameth wrote:
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On January 06 2026 00:03 Jankisa wrote:
It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine.

The enemy is both week and strong I guess, a tale as old as time.

In general, as many others have pointed out, we are hurdling the same old path that the world was gearing up to before WW2, only, this time, instead of this toxic nationalism being borne of tremendous economic hardships and actual historical injustices, this time it's being fueled by pettiness and propaganda turned up to 11.

As much as I hate that stupid Right Wing trope, I'll happily bastardize it:

Smart humans create good times.
Good times create stupid humans.
Stupid humans create hard times.
Hard times create smart humans.

And on and on we go.
But what allows that pettiness and propaganda to took root is I think itself rooted in a level of economic hardship.

Now its not as bad as the great depression but its very much there. 'We' grew up with parents that worked a single mundane job that sustained a stay at home wife, a house and several kids.
Now we have 2 people working a job struggling with a house and kids.

To me that looks more like a post-hoc rationalization. What you're describing may be applicable to some Western countries, however, in the former Eastern Bloc, things have never been better economically, for the most part, and yet you see the exact same political trends in both.

I had a video come across my feed a few days ago, and while I would advise against taking economic and world advice from comedians, it seems applicable here.
As the great depression led to ww2 and revolutions so is the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis still pushing us towards where the world is going now and creating a revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-UyEXJldc

While I agree there are certain parallels, I don't think this explains the political trends. Poland, for example, was barely affected by the financial crisis. I think a more accurate diagnosis was presented by David Goodhart in "The Road to Somewhere". Here's a short summary I found online:

Book exploring the causes of populism, which has become a defining factor of modern politics, mostly focusing on the UK and Brexit, but similar issues have defined the politics of Trump’s election in 2016 in the US and other similar movements in European countries. It was published soon after Trump and Brexit in 2017 and explores the causes of these issues. Basically, the authors divide people into two camps: Anywheres and Somewheres. The Anywheres are around 25% of the population and are liberally minded, highly educated, and mobile, moving out to get university degrees and relocating far from their hometowns in pursuit of career success. They value open and liberal views, don’t believe in much of a national identity, and are in favor of immigration and equality that doesn’t depend on race or nationality.

The Somewhere crowd makes up 75% of the population and is more deeply rooted to their place where they grew up. They have more family and traditional values and are resistant to policies like mass immigration that would erode their national identities. Most Somewheres has accepted many liberal views such as gay marriage, abortion, and LGBT rights, but they have been much more resistant to mass immigration, especially from Muslim countries, which they feel erodes their national identities, and they feel that their educated elites are putting identity politics above economic issues.

The author symphasizes mostly with the views of the Somewhere group, which are more conservative-minded and represent the majority that is often left behind. Even though they are the majority, the 25% Anywhere group holds a disproportionate amount of political power, and their preferences often result in policy. Therefore, these votes against the populist parties represent the views of the Somewheres. Populism generally proposes simplistic solutions to problems that are not expected to work but it’s hard to deny that at least their problems are recognized, and it is a form of protest vote that would put a brake on Anywhere policies.

One of the key points made by the author is that the Somewheres (largely overlapping with the working class) don't necessarily vote against their interests by voting for anti-working class right-wing parties. Rather, they value preserving their communities through more restrictive immigration policies more. This perspective explains why Denmark's pro-working class parties were able to buck the trend by adopting more restrictive and assimilation-oriented positions, or the backlash Musk and Ramaswamy got from the MAGA base for their H-1B visa support.
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