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pmh
1416 Posts
If you realize you cant compete within the current political system you need to look for options outside of it. Leftwing philosophy is just stuck. Rightwing philosophy has lots of new ideas but there is nothing on the leftwing no innovation no new ideas. They need new ideas and these have to come from a pragmatic perspective. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
On January 05 2026 21:20 pmh wrote: Gh you need start your own socialist network state and try grow it. As preperation for the future. If you realize you cant compete within the current political system you need to look for options outside of it. Leftwing philosophy is just stuck. Rightwing philosophy has lots of new ideas but there is nothing on the leftwing no innovation no new ideas. They need new ideas and these have to come from a pragmatic perspective. Right wing doesn't have any new ideas either - they're conservatives by definition. Left wing's biggest problem is that they don't really have a good public representation since most of the leaders there are anti-establishment and not really fond of occupying prominent positions within the government (which is pretty much the opposite of right wing people who love to embed themselves within the echelons of power). | ||
KwarK
United States43987 Posts
Feels a lot like a greatest hits album. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
On January 05 2026 21:20 pmh wrote: Gh you need start your own socialist network state and try grow it. As preperation for the future. If you realize you cant compete within the current political system you need to look for options outside of it. Leftwing philosophy is just stuck. Rightwing philosophy has lots of new ideas but there is nothing on the leftwing no innovation no new ideas. They need new ideas and these have to come from a pragmatic perspective. The problem isn't the ideas. Clearly nobody is voting for actual ideas. It's that billionaires, despite objectively being a far bigger problem than immigrants, make a less appealing scape goat. They aren't stealing ur jurbs, they're just automating them out of existence and then saying "well, get a job you lazy slacker. I'm not paying unemployment benefits!" And that somehow connects with all the temporarily embarrassed millionaires in Appalachia. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17509 Posts
On January 05 2026 22:38 KwarK wrote: Blaming sexual minorities for corrupting the youth? The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On January 05 2026 18:25 hitthat wrote: Funny. Last time I checked european countries sent a shit tone of arms to Ukraine, with my own country sending 1/3rd of our tanks and opening borders for whoever wanted free passage, and progressively embargoed Russia for anything they could, what almost put eastern european countries on the brink of war with Russia and Belarus. For now it was mostly european countries who provided cannon fodder to America for their vendetas against the whatever middle east ever spawned. But hey, lets call them inept because they don't threat anyone with annexation or nuclear annihilation. Nobody said being a dog of the Empire was easy, I'm sure the Europeans enjoy their pats on the head. | ||
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KwarK
United States43987 Posts
On January 05 2026 23:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh. Okay but the conservatives are fucking the kids then making AI child porn tools then sharing the porn on their platforms that they own. Meanwhile the progressives are trying to teach children about bodily autonomy and give them the language required to report when an authority figure is doing bad touches. | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7736 Posts
On January 05 2026 23:12 zeo wrote: Nobody said being a dog of the Empire was easy, I'm sure the Europeans enjoy their pats on the head. Much easier than being a dog of a delusional dictator trying to recreate an empire that fell over three decades ago, but at least we can all easily tell you enjoy your pats very very much. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
On January 05 2026 23:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh. Hyper-sexual culture? Murica is rather on the prude side when it comes to that. I clearly remember that one of the reasons a great TV series like Rome was cancelled was because it couldn't hit the target audience. Too much violence for the Europeans and too much nudity and plot for the Muricans. I'm not sure, maybe all this porn and sexual liberation movements in the US come from the sexual repression in culture and mainstream media. In Europe we're not really afraid so much of presenting naked bodies on TV, nudist beaches and topless sunbathing are quite the norm and no one is making a big fuss about it. Meanwhile in the US minor nip slip is branded like a huge and outrageous depravity. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
The enemy is both week and strong I guess, a tale as old as time. In general, as many others have pointed out, we are hurdling the same old path that the world was gearing up to before WW2, only, this time, instead of this toxic nationalism being borne of tremendous economic hardships and actual historical injustices, this time it's being fueled by pettiness and propaganda turned up to 11. As much as I hate that stupid Right Wing trope, I'll happily bastardize it: Smart humans create good times. Good times create stupid humans. Stupid humans create hard times. Hard times create smart humans. And on and on we go. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2575 Posts
On January 05 2026 23:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The USA's hyper-sexual culture is a negative for childhood development. meh. Tell me about it. Our president is a child molester and there are still people out there thinking being gay or trans is a problem. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2341 Posts
On January 05 2026 23:12 zeo wrote: Nobody said being a dog of the Empire was easy, I'm sure the Europeans enjoy their pats on the head. Wow, your pride of being heirs of non-aligned movement is almost touching. One would wonder how you ended up engaged in secesionist wars after chosing such an easy path. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
On January 06 2026 00:03 Jankisa wrote: But what allows that pettiness and propaganda to took root is I think itself rooted in a level of economic hardship.It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine. The enemy is both week and strong I guess, a tale as old as time. In general, as many others have pointed out, we are hurdling the same old path that the world was gearing up to before WW2, only, this time, instead of this toxic nationalism being borne of tremendous economic hardships and actual historical injustices, this time it's being fueled by pettiness and propaganda turned up to 11. As much as I hate that stupid Right Wing trope, I'll happily bastardize it: Smart humans create good times. Good times create stupid humans. Stupid humans create hard times. Hard times create smart humans. And on and on we go. Now its not as bad as the great depression but its very much there. 'We' grew up with parents that worked a single mundane job that sustained a stay at home wife, a house and several kids. Now we have 2 people working a job struggling with a house and kids. I had a video come across my feed a few days ago, and while I would advise against taking economic and world advice from comedians, it seems applicable here. As the great depression led to ww2 and revolutions so is the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis still pushing us towards where the world is going now and creating a revolution. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1151 Posts
Did a 14 year old write that with ChadGPT? | ||
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hitthat
Poland2341 Posts
On January 06 2026 00:51 KT_Elwood wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1422326/dl Did a 14 year old write that with ChadGPT? "Tons of cocaine"? They didn't even bother to ESTIMATE the minimal amount of that? And that's just the first line... | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2575 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
On January 06 2026 00:48 Gorsameth wrote: But what allows that pettiness and propaganda to took root is I think itself rooted in a level of economic hardship. Now its not as bad as the great depression but its very much there. 'We' grew up with parents that worked a single mundane job that sustained a stay at home wife, a house and several kids. Now we have 2 people working a job struggling with a house and kids. I had a video come across my feed a few days ago, and while I would advise against taking economic and world advice from comedians, it seems applicable here. As the great depression led to ww2 and revolutions so is the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis still pushing us towards where the world is going now and creating a revolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-UyEXJldc Carr is a very much spineless dude who felt the winds blowing right and now he's on Rogan with memorized conversation pieces so he can join the right wing comedian niche, so I don't want to give him my time or a click. I don't know, I might live in a bubble, but to me it's wildly insulting to those people who lived through those times to insinuate that today's word where, at least in our socialized societies in Europe no one starves, no one has to really worry about feeding their children as long as they are willing to work and everyone can afford amenities previously unimaginable are comparable. The only country where I lived besides Croatia is Netherlands, and people there complain just as much as they do here while having one of the best standards of living in the world, enough to keep voting for an objectively cringy and incredibly racist piece of shit like Wilders. And that is the NL response to "the left" being too tolerant of immigrants, despite the previous 15 years being governed by center right wing coalitions, it's all fucking stupid. Yes, our parents could afford adult lives much more, however, the times changed, wildly, I completely share the frustration over that, my dad got a free apartment from his job, a job he got straight after his free education and after he worked there for less then 5 years in a starting position, no company in the world offers shit like that today, that, however, is not because "the left" failed, it's not because progressives are snarky, it's because the western world has become convinced that capitalism is amazing and everyone kept voting for centrists and right wingers who sold us out. I can kind of get Americans, they are at the forefront of the late stage capitalism game, the opioid crisis, the lack of socialized medicine, half the population being one medical emergency from homelessness and bankruptcy, huge homeless problem, all of that is by design, and it's a group project of both Democrats and Republicans ever since Regan, that, however, doesn't justify imperialism, racism, bigotry and generally voting for pedophiles, rapists and insurrectionists, and it's certaintly not the fault of "the left". Kamala Harris toured with Liz Chaney, she had a nickname "Copmala", her advisors were board members of Uber, Americans rejected her because of propaganda, billionaires influencing elections and a terminal hubris of an old man, plus, you know, the quarter of the country which is racist, sexist and imperialist. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
It's fascinating how us Europeans are at the same time the dogs of the Empire but also warmongers who are the only obstacle between US and Russia making peace in Ukraine. Have you forgotten that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around? Russia will never invade the US, but several European countries are under a direct threat. Calling them an "obstacle" for not giving in to Russia's demands makes me angry. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11835 Posts
On January 06 2026 02:07 Slydie wrote: Have you forgotten that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around? Russia will never invade the US, but several European countries are under a direct threat. Calling them an "obstacle" for not giving in to Russia's demands makes me angry. Jankisa is just making fun of zeo here, who has a history of being an absolute Putin lover in the Ukraine thread. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On January 06 2026 00:48 Gorsameth wrote: But what allows that pettiness and propaganda to took root is I think itself rooted in a level of economic hardship. Now its not as bad as the great depression but its very much there. 'We' grew up with parents that worked a single mundane job that sustained a stay at home wife, a house and several kids. Now we have 2 people working a job struggling with a house and kids. To me that looks more like a post-hoc rationalization. What you're describing may be applicable to some Western countries, however, in the former Eastern Bloc, things have never been better economically, for the most part, and yet you see the exact same political trends in both. I had a video come across my feed a few days ago, and while I would advise against taking economic and world advice from comedians, it seems applicable here. As the great depression led to ww2 and revolutions so is the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis still pushing us towards where the world is going now and creating a revolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-UyEXJldc While I agree there are certain parallels, I don't think this explains the political trends. Poland, for example, was barely affected by the financial crisis. I think a more accurate diagnosis was presented by David Goodhart in "The Road to Somewhere". Here's a short summary I found online: Book exploring the causes of populism, which has become a defining factor of modern politics, mostly focusing on the UK and Brexit, but similar issues have defined the politics of Trump’s election in 2016 in the US and other similar movements in European countries. It was published soon after Trump and Brexit in 2017 and explores the causes of these issues. Basically, the authors divide people into two camps: Anywheres and Somewheres. The Anywheres are around 25% of the population and are liberally minded, highly educated, and mobile, moving out to get university degrees and relocating far from their hometowns in pursuit of career success. They value open and liberal views, don’t believe in much of a national identity, and are in favor of immigration and equality that doesn’t depend on race or nationality. The Somewhere crowd makes up 75% of the population and is more deeply rooted to their place where they grew up. They have more family and traditional values and are resistant to policies like mass immigration that would erode their national identities. Most Somewheres has accepted many liberal views such as gay marriage, abortion, and LGBT rights, but they have been much more resistant to mass immigration, especially from Muslim countries, which they feel erodes their national identities, and they feel that their educated elites are putting identity politics above economic issues. The author symphasizes mostly with the views of the Somewhere group, which are more conservative-minded and represent the majority that is often left behind. Even though they are the majority, the 25% Anywhere group holds a disproportionate amount of political power, and their preferences often result in policy. Therefore, these votes against the populist parties represent the views of the Somewheres. Populism generally proposes simplistic solutions to problems that are not expected to work but it’s hard to deny that at least their problems are recognized, and it is a form of protest vote that would put a brake on Anywhere policies. One of the key points made by the author is that the Somewheres (largely overlapping with the working class) don't necessarily vote against their interests by voting for anti-working class right-wing parties. Rather, they value preserving their communities through more restrictive immigration policies more. This perspective explains why Denmark's pro-working class parties were able to buck the trend by adopting more restrictive and assimilation-oriented positions, or the backlash Musk and Ramaswamy got from the MAGA base for their H-1B visa support. | ||
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