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On October 23 2025 03:37 Jankisa wrote:
I'm really wondering, can someone, anyone, and I know this thread kind of got slow so maybe no one really posts who spends any time defending the insanity, but how does a Trump supporter explain this.
Trump will, apparently, use his influence over DOJ to get the United States a $ 240 million for investigating and suing him over the stolen documents case.
Now, let's just put aside the facts that there are pictures of the documents in the toilet and him saying on record that he did it on propose.
How does anyone in their right mind square him taking a quarter of a billion out of their pockets while he's already a multi billionaire and him being a patriot who loves his country and is trying to "save it".
I mean that money could have, I don't know, paid for 10 more missiles to take out drug gangs.
It could have funded hundreds of ICE agents getting those illegals out.
It could have provided subsidies for businesses affected by patriotic tariffs.
But it will go directly to his pocket. How is that compatible with someone who is "working for the people"?
I mean I know I'm shouting in to the void but still, how?
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Northern Ireland25916 Posts
On October 23 2025 03:37 Jankisa wrote:
I'm really wondering, can someone, anyone, and I know this thread kind of got slow so maybe no one really posts who spends any time defending the insanity, but how does a Trump supporter explain this.
Trump will, apparently, use his influence over DOJ to get the United States a $ 240 million for investigating and suing him over the stolen documents case.
Now, let's just put aside the facts that there are pictures of the documents in the toilet and him saying on record that he did it on propose.
How does anyone in their right mind square him taking a quarter of a billion out of their pockets while he's already a multi billionaire and him being a patriot who loves his country and is trying to "save it".
I mean that money could have, I don't know, paid for 10 more missiles to take out drug gangs.
It could have funded hundreds of ICE agents getting those illegals out.
It could have provided subsidies for businesses affected by patriotic tariffs.
But it will go directly to his pocket. How is that compatible with someone who is "working for the people"?
I mean I know I'm shouting in to the void but still, how?
They don’t believe it. We’re just liberal cucks for raising such criticisms. It’s pure antagonism.
We are the enemy, and anything that annoys the enemy is good. That’s how it goes currently.
That’s the modern GOP. While it’s incidentally my problem, it’s not my job to fix it as a lefty. It’s the job of ostensibly moderate conservatives, but they’ve bent the knee.
Which they resolutely have failed to do, indeed they haven’t even moderated it whatsoever.
Doesn’t really stop them gurning about how unfair it all is mind. Despite doing nothing whatsoever to counter the accusations of blatant bad faith
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On October 23 2025 03:37 Jankisa wrote:
I'm really wondering, can someone, anyone, and I know this thread kind of got slow so maybe no one really posts who spends any time defending the insanity, but how does a Trump supporter explain this.
Trump will, apparently, use his influence over DOJ to get the United States a $ 240 million for investigating and suing him over the stolen documents case.
Now, let's just put aside the facts that there are pictures of the documents in the toilet and him saying on record that he did it on propose.
How does anyone in their right mind square him taking a quarter of a billion out of their pockets while he's already a multi billionaire and him being a patriot who loves his country and is trying to "save it".
I mean that money could have, I don't know, paid for 10 more missiles to take out drug gangs.
It could have funded hundreds of ICE agents getting those illegals out.
It could have provided subsidies for businesses affected by patriotic tariffs.
But it will go directly to his pocket. How is that compatible with someone who is "working for the people"?
I mean I know I'm shouting in to the void but still, how?
I once heard a Netanyahu supporter defend his taking bribes by saying "he's earned it with his good job performance," so I'd expect something like that, even though it blatantly ignores the most fundamental principles of morality and civil society.
On October 23 2025 01:54 Razyda wrote:
Trump saying she is not his type - like really? what does that prove? I did that few times, seems nicer than saying I dont like her.
Well, generally, if you're trying to prove you're not a rapist, it's not considered a smart idea to suggest that you would've raped them if only they were prettier.
Great post btw. You could've just said "Trump said he's not guilty and I believe him", at least that wouldn't have been a tremendous waste of time indicating you did zero research other than finding slander through a Google search.
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But, but, but he said it, outright.
You know, for most things so far I can kind of get their justifications. It's all lies, why shouldn't he make money, it's the American way, if he wants to make a Crypto and people buy it, who cares.
If he wants to have Musk peddle Teslas in front of the white house, it's just business. If he doesn't pay the taxes, who cares, you'd do the same.
He doesn't hate Mexicans he just wants to get the freeloaders and murderers and rapists out. He's not dumb or in Putin's pocket he just wants to keep the money in the USA and he's a brilliant negotiator that's why he's being a moron on Ukraine.
This, however, what would the line be. Maybe we can work on predicting, but at this point it seems like they don't even care to try and spin it, it seems like we are firmly in "shooting someone on 5th avenue" territory.
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On October 23 2025 04:20 LightSpectra wrote:
I once heard a Netanyahu supporter defend his taking bribes by saying "he's earned it with his good job performance," so I'd expect something like that, even though it blatantly ignores the most fundamental principles of morality and civil society.
But, but, from the outside looking in, Nethyanahu is not a famous billionaire who already has more money then he could ever spend, and it's just bribes, so you know, humble civil servant, needs some extra dough, also it's just small things etc.
You can spin that shit, but this is a quarter bill going to someone already obscenely rich, it's a good chunk of money that could be used for other things.
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United States43177 Posts
It’s easy. It didn’t happen. And if it did happen then it was Hillary Clinton’s emails.
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On October 23 2025 04:24 Jankisa wrote:
But, but, but he said it, outright.
You know, for most things so far I can kind of get their justifications. It's all lies, why shouldn't he make money, it's the American way, if he wants to make a Crypto and people buy it, who cares.
If he wants to have Musk peddle Teslas in front of the white house, it's just business. If he doesn't pay the taxes, who cares, you'd do the same.
He doesn't hate Mexicans he just wants to get the freeloaders and murderers and rapists out. He's not dumb or in Putin's pocket he just wants to keep the money in the USA and he's a brilliant negotiator that's why he's being a moron on Ukraine.
This, however, what would the line be. Maybe we can work on predicting, but at this point it seems like they don't even care to try and spin it, it seems like we are firmly in "shooting someone on 5th avenue" territory.
There were dozens, if not hundreds of "this"es where the line for any reasonable person would have been. We need to recognize that we are not dealing with reasonable people. They work by a completely different heuristic. Basically internet troll logic. They don't care, nothing can happen that convinces these people. Nothing.
Trump could personally come into their house, kill their dog, take their children to Epstein Island and burn the house down, and they would find a way to either justify it or blame the democrats.
It is insane, it is irrational, it is absurd, it is idiotic, it makes zero sense whatsoever. But it is also how these people "think". They have been trained for decades to be unreachable by any conflicting views.
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On October 23 2025 04:28 KwarK wrote:
It’s easy. It didn’t happen. And if it did happen then it was Hillary Clinton’s emails.
What if they were important though ?
Does the political affiliation matter when someone‘s hiding something ?
As if it weren‘t both branches of the US government.
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MAGAts have already decided defunding $1t from Medicaid because we can't afford it but $40b to bail out Argentina, $1b to renovate Qatari's jet bribe, etc. is fine, so what's different now? Government fundamentally exists to punish minorities in their worldview, corruption accelerates their suffering and thus is good.
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United States43177 Posts
On October 23 2025 04:30 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2025 04:24 Jankisa wrote:
But, but, but he said it, outright.
You know, for most things so far I can kind of get their justifications. It's all lies, why shouldn't he make money, it's the American way, if he wants to make a Crypto and people buy it, who cares.
If he wants to have Musk peddle Teslas in front of the white house, it's just business. If he doesn't pay the taxes, who cares, you'd do the same.
He doesn't hate Mexicans he just wants to get the freeloaders and murderers and rapists out. He's not dumb or in Putin's pocket he just wants to keep the money in the USA and he's a brilliant negotiator that's why he's being a moron on Ukraine.
This, however, what would the line be. Maybe we can work on predicting, but at this point it seems like they don't even care to try and spin it, it seems like we are firmly in "shooting someone on 5th avenue" territory. There were dozens, if not hundreds of "this"es where the line for any reasonable person would have been. We need to recognize that we are not dealing with reasonable people. They work by a completely different heuristic. Basically internet troll logic. They don't care, nothing can happen that convinces these people. Nothing. Trump could personally come into their house, kill their dog, take their children to Epstein Island and burn the house down, and they would find a way to either justify it or blame the democrats. It is insane, it is irrational, it is absurd, it is idiotic, it makes zero sense whatsoever. But it is also how these people "think". They have been trained for decades to be unreachable by any conflicting views.
He’s asking for the literal line, not a moral line in the sand, a line like in a script. The response that a Trump supporter says to reconcile the action with the story.
The reality is that the story is unlikely to be reported in conservative circles. If it is then they’ll say it isn’t true until conservative media either confirms the story and explains that it was Hillary or a new outrage takes its place.
If you read conservative echo chambers you can actually see the life cycle of negative news. Denial, whataboutism, whatever the official narrative is, moving on.
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Trump is a New York socialite whose heyday was the 1970s/1980s. That fact alone was enough to tell people that he was most likely a piece of shit who harassed people in one way or another well before he had any chance of political power.
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